Ebanks making a mistake?
It appears that Devin Ebanks is entering the draft...I feel that this is a BIG mistake. IMO, he needed another year and it would have been a perfect opportunity to show that he is a good scorer with the departure of Butler. I don't think the tournament helped his stock. In fact, it dropped a little from what I've heard. He's tall, has length and is an above average athlete, but he has too many holes in his game to make an impact in the league anytime soon. Most noticeably his outside jumper and ball handling skills. Two things you really need to have in the NBA to play SF and to get meaningful playing time. I think his stock is in the 20-30 range.
What are your guys opinions?
He says that if he isnt guaranteed top 20, he isnt staying in. He didnt enter his name last year so he can still pull out.
It's no big deal. He hasn't hired an agent and likely just wants to see where he stands, maybe get some feedback too. I could see a team like the Spurs giving him a guarantee, as he seems like a player that would fit their system.
If he's a top 15 or 20 pick no he isn't making a mistake, he will be ranked anywhere from the 3rd to 4th best SF prospect (1. W. Johnson 2. A. Aminu 3./4. P. George, D Ebanks 5. G Heyward) in the draft and shouldn't slip past 20. I don't see his stock getting much higher if he goes back to school, as it stands I see him being drafted somewhere between 14-18. He does need work on his ball handling and his jumper, overall I think he just needs to be more assertive and aggressive on offense and try to find ways to score. He seems too laid back on the offensive end of the court, not attacking and deferring to teammates. The problem with these issues are that he didn't show much improvement in those areas from his Fr.-So. so I don't see any reason he will improve much more another year of college. NBA coaches should be more adept than college coaches at working with Ebanks and should turn him into a quality player.
You cant see his stock getting higher?? Really??
He cant shoot at all. If he comes back and can nail an open 3 and make jumpers off the dribble that wont help?? If he comes back, he will average around 19 points a game.. That would help him be guaranteed a top 15 pick. Look what it did for Patrick Patterson.
I definitly think another year would be huge for Ebanks, but If he comes out...go Twolves at mid 20s!!
If he stays though, and develops the way people think he can, I wouldnt doubt he could sneak into the top 10. I think 16 ppg 8rpg and 3apg is within reach for him. He does have holes in his game, but flashes the ability to be a really good all around player. He handles the ball fairly well, he seems to be a solid passer, and he is a terrific rebounder and defender. If he improves offensively, he could be a really good player.
I think GregOden08 nailed it.
Devin Ebanks isn't ready for the NBA, another year at WV is exactly what he needs. He has a lot to lose by leaving early and a lot to gain by returning to school for one more season.
Wait so Aminu pads his stats against bad teams and shows little ability to transition to the NBA 3, Paul George spends two solid but nowhere near dominant years in the WAC, yet Devin Ebanks is the one who is making a mistake?
He didn't show improvement from his freshman to sophomore years? Based off what? Apparently defense doesn't count. It must be some ill-conceived notion he needs to work on his handles? The guy does need to improve his range, but he does have a good mid-range shot. He has to extend it out to the three point line, but there is nothing structurally wrong with his shot. Plus, he played his role at West Virginia very well. He is going to be a lock to come off the board between 5-15. Philadelphia is going to look at his shot and see that they have been able to develop Iguodala and Young in short order. Utah had minimal issues with Ronnie Brewer's lack of range on his shots because of all the other things he can do. The Clippers have a long history of valuing long athletes. Then from 10-15 there will be Houston, Memphis, and Milwaukee. I see no way he falls past all those teams. There aren't 15 better prospects who have declared.
Actually, yes...Aminu made strides in his game...Not like you would notice. Considering that you only look at the negatives with him. Oh yeah, he's projected as top 5-10 pick so he has made some improvments. And dude, im not talking about where he's PROJECTED...I'm talking about him being ready. He clearly isn't. And also, he's not that great of a defender, he was just their best athlete on the team and they put him on the other teams best player...Pretty simple. And I can't believe you say he's a lock to be a top 5-15 pick. That is just a joke. How can you be so high on Ebanks, yet so low on Aminu who has improved way more. Not to mention he's a year younger.
Small forwards don't necessarily need outside jumpers or ball handling. LeBron doesn't have an outside J and he's the best SF in the game.
That's why his NBA Comparison is Trevor Ariza.
"LeBron doesn't have an outside J and he's the best SF in the game."
You need to watch a basketball game if you still think LeBron doesn't have a jump shot.
Another year wont help Ebanks and will probably hurt him. The trip to the final 4 gave him national exposure and next year with them loseing Butler the WVU squad will not be final 4 caliber. Ebanks will never be a #1 scorer and if he stays next year people will want him to be and hes not, he was great in his role this past season and should go to NBA and devolope his skills and become the Trevor Ariza player, just needs to work on his outside J.
Lebron doesnt have an outside J? They guy doesnt have 3 point stroke like Ray Allen but can shoot the ball from anywhere on the floor, watch the espn highlights of him shooting 3's in games from the Cav's lettering on the floor.
Ebanks is a guy who still has the mystique of "potential", and if he doesn't fulfill that next year in college, it will start to fade away in the eyes of NBA scouts. Of course he isn't ready to be a major contributor in the NBA, but his NBA stock will only continue to decrease if he stays another year in college.
He probably would have been a lottery pick last year on potential alone, now he's percieved as a bubble first rounder, if he doesn't improve massively as a junior he will fall to the second round. Why put that pressure on himself when he will very probably end up being a first rounder and getting guaranteed money this year if he stays in?
Seriously, he is a long way from being NBA ready, but his size and length give him the potential to be a legit NBA starting SF down the road, which is what NBA GMs really want. A HIGH CEILING, not good stats in college. If being a college performer was the sole determinant of one's draft stock, Luke Harangody would have been a lottery pick after his sophomore year, and Aubrey Coleman would be one this year. It doesn't work that way though. Both are stumpy, average athletes for their positions, so the best an NBA GM can ever realistically hope for out of them is a hard-working backup. You don't use lottery or even 1st round picks to get hard-working backups, you want TALENT, SIZE, ATHLETICISM, UPSIDE.
So what I'm trying to say is, even if Devin Ebanks improves his stats in college next year, his athleticism might be exposed, his ability to play on the perimeter (ie. as a SF rather than the PF he now is) may be exposed, West Virginia will certainly not be as good (ie. make Final Four, did you forget that, you think teams won't attribute some of that success to Ebanks?), meaning less exposure. He might lose his mystique of "potential" altogether.
Or he has the option to roll the dice now, when he is realistically almost certainly GOING TO BE AN NBA FIRST ROUNDER.
What will this mean for him? Let's see:
- instant guaranteed money in excess of $1 million per year.
- prosperity for his family.
- 1 extra year of earning power in a pro-basketball career.
- better training facilities.
- more training/practice time.
- not worrying about school, focusing on basketball.
- having the opportunity to prove himself and earn playing time against the best possible competition.
- no possibility of a career-ending injury while NOT GETTING PAYED.
- BEING AN NBA PLAYER.
- LIVING THE &$#%#&@! DREAM.
Given his situation, why would Devin Ebanks not want to become a pro as soon as possible? If he weren't likely to be a first rounder, that would be another story, but HE IS, and his stock could fall next year! And remember, these kids do not owe colleges their services for a full four years, it makes no sense for any normal person to focus on academics when they can be earning millions.
HoopMojo, you made some interesting points but I disagree. Look back at the recent history of the NBA and ask yourself how many times you heard the following from a scout or a GM, "He really needed an extra year in college to mature physically/emotionally and to improve his game. He just wasn't ready for the NBA".
You hear that about players every year, but I can only remember 2 or 3 times when an NBA GM said a player should have come out last year.
Unless there are unusual circumstances, most players will benefit from the extra year of maturity and experience, while giving their bodies one more year to get stronger. I don't see anything about Devin Ebanks that makes me believe he doesn't fit in with the overwhelming majority.
"Ebanks is a guy who still has the mystique of "potential" , and if he doesn't fulfill that next year in college, it will start to fade away in the eyes of NBA scouts"
Ebanks has spent two years at West Virginia playing one of the hardest college schedules both years he has been there and all he has done is score efficiently, show an ability to create without turning the ball over, get on the offensive glass, and defend as well as any wing in college. Apparently in your world, this doesn't count as college production. I don't see how you can be so blind, but so be it. Ebanks is not some schlup who has made a name for himself piling on in guarantee games. He played big boy basketball in big games and in a big league. He guarded everybody. He scored, rebounded, created, and yes looked really smooth doing so because yes he is 6'9, long as can be, and really athletic. Oh, but it might get exposed by returning? Really? By who? If people want to be blinded by the fact that West Virginia played at one of the slowest tempos in the country and that therefore the fact that he scored only 12 PPG is an indictment on his performance, then I think there is a problem with your assessment. NBA people make mistakes in the draft, but they aren't dumb enough to miss on THIS guy.
Once again...you are wrong. Let me ask you this...What improvments had Ebanks made from his freshmen year to sopomore year? None. That's concerning to an NBA team. You want to see some kind of improvment. His ball handling is shaky on a good day, his jumper is inconsistent and he doesn't create for himself. And btw...He's 6,7...Not 6,9. And he hasn't made any progress physically either.
Like i've said...Ebanks hasn't made any improvment in his game AT ALL...He didn't do anything in the tournament to help himself...I really don't know why you're so high on him. Your argument is he played in a good conference. Yet he underperformed...You call him a big game performer, but he didn't play good in any big games. There is a reason he's projected as mid-late first round pick by so many mocks.
BothteamsPlayedHard, you made an excellent series of arguments in favor of Ebanks leaving early. While making those arguments you implied he would go between 10 and 15 in the draft, but definitely no later than number 15.
You definitely know about Ebanks very well, so how do you explain the fact that NBADraft.net has him at number 17, Chad Ford describes him as a mid to late first rounder, and DraftExpress has him in the 29th slot of the first round?
I still say he should stay at WV one more season.
Ebanks will pe picked in the top 20 but is not ready, he was not the most dominant player of his team and has too much weaknesses, above all offensively with a more than streaky outside shot. Moreover, he must also develop his body, so if you add his physical lack of strength with his lack of outside shot., he will have difficultie getting playing time in the NBA.
I believe Devin Ebanks is somewhat ready for the NBA.
Shooting is the easiest thing to develop (according to scouts) and Ebanks could be a top defender in 3 years. He reminds me of a Trevor Ariza/ Corey Brewer type. I say 21 at San Antonio would be a perfect spot for him.
"You definitely know more about Ebanks than I do so how do you explain the fact that NBADraft.net has him slotted at number 17, Chad Ford describes him as a mid to late first rounder, and DraftExpress has him in the 29th slot of the first round?"
It is April 12th and the draft is not for another 2-3 months. The sites have rankings and mock drafts that are fluid. I remember before the start of the tournament I linked a Mark Heisler column in which he had Daniel Orton as a lottery pick. Two weeks later, all the sites have Orton in the first round. What has changed? It isn't like Orton did anything on the floor to cause this seismic change in perception. It is a snowball effect. I watched West Virginia this past season and thought both Butler and Ebanks looked like NBA players. I look at the numbers and saw no reason to change my opinion. The only change came when Butler ended up with one good knee. I still look at Ebanks and see a great NBA prospect. He played almost all of top teams, performed well, guarded bigs and littles, has all the measurables, and the one major on court flaw in his game is something that is not structurally broken. He is going to improve his shot. When the brain trusts really get together with their meetings of the minds where all the scouts and personnel people meet, I just have the hardest time believing that teams will look at Ebanks and then look at Quincy Pondexter and think Pondexter's ability to score on the block in the Pac 10 will allow him to translate to the NBA better than Ebanks. Heck, I am still holding out hope that someone watches a game Aminu had against a good team and show me anything that says he will in any way ready to play the 3 in the NBA. I think at some point I might have to accept that I won't be right that teams will come to that realization, but I am still firm in some of my beliefs. DeMarcus Cousins should be consensus number three. Cole Aldrich is going to be a long time starting center. Jan Vesely would be in everyone's lottery if he was an American kid at Big State U. Derrick Caracter's ability to score on the block is way too valuable in the NBA to not get drafted. Greg Monroe and Devin Ebanks are too long and do too many things well to fall in the draft or fail in the NBA.
Once again you made good arguments for him going higher than I expect, but that's what makes this site interesting. And you're right, the mock drafts are fluid so not only can he move up, it's also possible he could sink lower.
As I stated before, you know more about Ebanks than I do because my impression of him was based solely upon the NCAA tournament and I wasn't overly impressed. Wasn't he the guy who had a fast break layup against Kentucky and kicked the ball out of bounds? And wasn't he the guy standing at mid-court, trying to hit a wide open teammate for another break away layup against Kentucky, but instead threw it away?
Time to strike while the iron is hot. I don't see his stock rising much more than it is now, whether he stays or not. Also I think his issues would probably be better solved at the NBA level. He's probably a mid first type guy (I wouldn't be shocked to see late lottery with his workout potential), and with the potential lockout, it's his time.
8thDeadlySin, pulling out is risky business. Not to mention when you get it in there and with all the excitement that is going on, pulling out is hard to do. And if you haven't caught on yet, I ain't just talking basketball.
But in all seriousness, I think staying in school would be great for his game. He really needs to develop his offensive game and learning under Huggins can do nothing but help your game. But, I mean if he is guaranteed top 20 as some of you have said, I think he should go then. But potentially, if he would stay in school, I think he could end up top 10 next year with all the talent that is leaving this year if he shows an offensive game.
Ebanks hasn't shown much offensive polish though, otherwise he should be a dominant scorer at the college level with his height and length. Instead he only averaged like 10 pts again. Seriously, his college production has not been great, you wouldn't even refer to him as West Virginia's "star".
And it really is height and length that makes him intriguing, not athleticism, the kid really can't jump that high for a supposed elite NBA prospect, from what I've seen. But he does have crazy long arms, which is what makes him potentially a poor man's Ariza.
Also, much like Ed Davis, he gained next to no strength between his frosh and soph campaigns. Ebanks is still pretty damn skinny and weak.
The thing is, I'm arguing that he SHOULD enter the draft THIS YEAR, despite his unspectacular production and the flaws in his game and current physical profile. That's because if he does improve his strength and leaping ability, and develops his offensive game and basketball IQ, he has the potential to be a starting calibre, lock-down defensive SF when you add those elements to his already excellent height and absurd length for his position. NBA GMs will see that potential this year, and another year in college of NOT fulfilling that elite potential COULD very well hurt his stock.
So, for the reasons I listed, Ebanks would be making a good decision to remain in the draft, assuming he is still considered a first round lock. I do wonder if anyone is going to touch him in the lottery though.
LOL... I read the first paragraph and was like, "This man ain't talking about basketball."
Unless Ebanks receives a guarantee that he'll go somewhere between 10 and 20, he should stay in school. As I stated several times before in this thread, 98% of the time the big mistake a college kid makes is leaving early. Once you're gone and if it doesn't work out, it's too late.
Staying for another season allows your body to mature, you can improve certain aspects of your game, and benefit from another season of experience. It's a rare day in hell when staying in school one more year turns out to be a poor decision. I know it happens, but the percentages are almost always in your favor.
Explain to me this, did Davon Jefferson make the mistake to leave USC and make six figures the past two years in Israel? What about Jamont Gordon giving up a year of eligibility and going to Europe? Daniel Hackett? Nick Calathes? Brandon Costner? The NBA is not the only league in the world that pays people to play basketball. The only time a player is making a bad decision to leave the amateur ranks is when he is not physically or emotionally ready to be a professional. Jeremy Tyler screwed up because he was not mentally ready. Eric Devendorf screwed up by not having the professionalism to handle being a bench player in the NBDL. Now, he is exiled to New Zealand. Is that the worst thing in the world? He might not be making a ton of money, but more than he would have in college. So is that the worst decision?
Great Point. From your point of view he will have plenty of well-paying options if he doesn't stick the NBA. I have to admit, I agree with you and I will do my best to look at future draft questions with this in mind. However I think most people are viewing these questions about players leaving school early in terms of their potential draft postition in this years NBA draft. Certainly Ebanks could make bank in another league if he was cut from the NBA. Again, good point. Well thought.
I think he could easily slip to the 2nd round. I don't think he's testing the waters. Bob Huggins was quoted saying that it was a joy to coach him for two years, and that he wished him all the best in the future. People (us) and scouts seem to be split on this guy. I haven't been impressed the four times that I've watched him. He isn't aggressive on offense and he seems passive. I know people say he played his role on WV well, but I just don't see the 1st round talent. Physical NBA potential, but that's all I see. If he stayed he could show the scouts some offense next year and move way up near the lottery. p
He has said that he is going to sign an agent...