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Who means more to the Lakers?

Who means more to the Lakers??

Kobe

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Phil??


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Its a pretty easy question

Its a pretty easy question to answer.. I gave you options. You dont even have to think to much. OR, you can take points without a reason. Give an answer or explain why you disagree with a question..

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The SUPERSTAR will always

The SUPERSTAR will always mean more than the coach (you want proof look at lebron and mike brown)

next question.

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Yea.. Lebron has made Mike

Yea.. Lebron has made Mike Brown who he is. What about Duncan/Pop??

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Timmy D... Coaches can only

Timmy D...

Coaches can only do so much.. Players play. Pop is a great coach, but a great coach is nothing without at least very good players.. Whereas a coach could suck but if he has great players he most likely looks good.

Any NBA Star is more important than their coach... If it was the other way around, the coaches would be making more money than the players

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So lets see if I understand

So lets see if I understand you. Are you saying that a great player can make a terrible coach look great??

Ima go ahead and say that you are going to say Yes...

So, can a great coach make an average player look great??

Can this go both ways or is it just a one way street??

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I feel it's like this: A

I feel it's like this:

A great player can make an average NBA coach look great.

A great coach can make an average NBA player look good.

so in essence it's not a one-way street by any means.. but on this two-way street one side of the road happens to be a little wider than the other lol

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Lol. Good analogy.. So are

Lol. Good analogy..

So are you saying that Kobe would have been Kobe no matter where he played??
Would AI have been the same player anywhere??
Would Tim Duncan have been the same player anywhere??

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Kobe and Tim Duncan would

Kobe and Tim Duncan would have been the same players but AI may have been different if not for Larry Brown.

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So Kobe would not have been

So Kobe would not have been JR Smith if he went to a team that had great players. If he played with Michael, Scottie, and friends, he wouldnt have just been a scoring punch off the bench?? What if Tim Duncan had gone to the Clippers?? They never develop players.. What if AI had gone to the Lakers and played with Shaq??

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8th deadly...I got your back

8th deadly...I got your back man. I gave you a point for every post in attempt to negate the viscous point stealers that infest this site. Apparently now it has become blind point stealing rather than simply disagreeing...it is quite sad.

"someday...somebodies gonna have to take a stand"

Anyways...Who the hell is Mike Brown? Cuz I really dont think he's a very good coach to be honest. I dont think Lebron made him into anything but a really solid assistant coach, which he was before he went to Cleveland. Here we go...bye points.

I do agree that it is two way street. I'm sure Kobe would be a very good player on any team, but i think his talent level is maximized by Phil. Kobe is a phenomanal player and he would be phenomanal on just about any team, but its definitly magnified by Phil Jackson I'd say. I wouldnt say he made his a great player. Kobe made Kobe a great player.

The Time Duncan one I cant say too much of...Duncan seems to be a guy, who is the ultimate model of consistency. He is a meat and potatoes guy, and I think he would be a good player anywhere he would've gone too. Maybe not his Rookie year, but the guy was a heck of a player coming out of college, and was a stud since day 1. David Robinson next to him didnt hurt his development, but I think Duncan had to talent level to succeed anywhere.

Alot of Star players probably have to ability to be great players whatever situation they are in. The role players are probably more affected by the coaches and the systems in my opinion.

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Thanks Smalls.. I am just

Thanks Smalls..

I am just trying to point out to everyone that coaches mean more to players than most people realize. Even the NBA has forgotten this. Look at college basketball. How can coaches have such an impact there but pretty much none in the NBA? When you think about Duke, who is the first person you think about?? Coach K.. When you think about Syracuse, who is the first person you think of? What about WVU, or UNC, or Florida?? Why does everyone think that the coaches are more expendable than the players?? If that is so, why would anyone want to be an NBA coach?? You apparently have no authority, no job security, and no recognition for what you can/have done.. There is a reason Patino left the NBA for college. There is a reason Coach K doesnt want the Nets job. Coaches have a huge impact on a team. Here are a few things that a coach affects at all levels....

1. The coach is the Leader. No matter what, the coach is the leader of the team. He gets everything negative that comes with a program. He gets blamed for losses but a pat on the back for a win. He is the one who makes a style and a system that the players have to play by. He is also supposed to be the authority figure that keeps players in line.

2. The team takes on the Head Coach's Personality. Everywhere you look, if you see a hard nosed team, the head coach is hard nosed. If you see a team that is soft and loose all the time, I guarantee that the coach is like that. If the team has a ultimate swagger about themselves then I promise you its because the coach does.

3. The coach teaches players how to play. A good coach will show a players strengths and hides their weaknesses. Look at Joe Alexander. He looked like an NBA player with WVU because Huggins only showed the nation what he was good at. He didnt let anyone know that Joe was dumb. He put him in a situation where when Joe caught the ball, he ether reversed the ball from the top of the post or he looked to drive and score. That was all Joe did his JR year. He rebounded, played defense, reversed the ball and drove at the basket..

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Well, honestly, the reason

Well, honestly, the reason people think of the coaches first in college basketball as opposed to the player is because the high turnover rate of players, and low turnover rate of coaches(at least when it comes to the top-tier programs).

Coach K has been at Duke for 9,000 years and will be for 9,000 more. Which is why you think of him. You definitely don't think of players who are one and done. When you think of 'Cuse you do not think of Carmelo, even though he was the best player ever to play there. You MIGHT think of the guy who was there for 4 years, such as Gerry McNamara or Hakim Warrick, but realistically the teams change every single year the only constant often times in college bball is the head coach. So when you think Cuse you think the constant, which woud be Boeheim.

College coaches also get more recognition because of the recruiting process. It's a huge part of the process that's blatantly obvious to everyone.. It's easy to tell who is a good recruiter and who isn't--it's an important part that's easy to see.. Whereas sometimes it is difficult to really see what NBA coaches are doing.

On to the NBA..

Coaches do have a pretty profound effect on players, but I don't think Duncan, Kobe, or AI were extremely affected by their coaches. I'm of the opinion they would have been great players regardless. Maybe one of them would have been a little worse with different coaches and playing in different systems, but overall I cannot see how they would be bad players. I mean, Iverson came in as a rookie and scored 24 points. Did his coach really teach him to be that good in just one off-season?

I think in terms of player ability the players that get most affected by coaching are not the stars, but more like player such as Donte Greene. Greene has a lot of talent and is starting to put it together as he matures. It takes a combination of coaching and his willingness to learn and grow as a player individually to turn him into a good player.

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No one is mentioning that

No one is mentioning that Kobe signed a huge contract extension and his age and mins logged are catching up to him. Also if Bynum isn't healthy this team could get knocked out in the 2nd round. Everyone keeps bringing up Shaq but he's not as valuable to the Cavs as Bynum is to the Lakers. Cleveland needs Shaq becaz of his size maybe somewhat against the Celtics but mainly against the Magic and Lakers really. Plus he is coming back from a thumb injury that won't effect his D as much.

The Lakers will be capped out for the next 4 years if they pick up team options on Odom and Bynum which they most likely will. Good luck with Kobe starting the last year of his contract at 35 years old making 30 plus mill. The team will still compete for a title every year but I don't think they'll be the top seed or the favorite like last yr and this year in the West.

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