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Dear David Stern and others it may concern,

Dear Mr. Stern,
I am a 20 year old college student who thinks he knows a little about the NBA. Being from WV, I don't get to see many NBA games in person but I am a League Pass subscriber. Maybe my words do not mean much to you but I have a feeling that you are about to encounter a few problems running your organization and I think I can help you either prevent them or repair them once they happen. I have no experience in running something like NBA, NFL, NHL, or MLB. I have no work experience that would make me credible. However, Im going to run these suggestions by you in a bullet format. Lets get started.

- League Age Limit: This is something that needs to be addressed before the lockout. It could be used as leverage to adopt a smaller cap or whatever you and the owners are trying to do. Derrick Fisher is the head of the players union, of course, and the union is full of older players who would like to extend their careers. One thing that forces players, like Fisher, to retire is the fact that they are being pushed out by young players taking their playing time. This can be solved by changing to age rule in the NBA. That would give older players at least 2 years to add to their soon to be ending careers. The rule needs to be changed from to 3 years out of their graduating class. This means that if a person were to graduate HS this year, 2010, they could do whatever they wanted until 2013 and then they could enter their name into the NBA draft. It could include prep-school, college, foreign leagues or anything else they could think of. Now the typical age of a rookie would be 20-21 years old. Every rookie would have started developing their man bodies and have a much better understanding of the game. This would reduce the likelihood of players coming to the NBA and being complete flops. It would also increase the skill level of the entire NBA. Instead of having tons of athletic 19 year olds, who have very little skill and get by simply on their running and jumping ability, you would have more players like Evan Turner who can do it all. They would be more disciplined because they would have had to listen to a coach for 3 years. Also, if their NBA careers dont pan out like they expect, they have something to fall back on. Just 2 more semesters and they have some type of degree. Also, the character of the players in the league would rise. Now you have people that have devoted themselves to the classroom and know what handwork is.

- Coach's Impact: Coming from a coaching family, where my dad was my HS coach, I know the impact of a good coach. I see the NBA and the organizations giving up on coaches way too quick. Coaches get fired when players decide not to play well. They get fired when they have a group of people who just dont gel. They get fired when their superstar leaves. You get the picture. Coaches, unless they are named Phil, George, or a couple other select names, get disrespected and are unappreciated. I think I know the reason. Its the way they are paid. Lets put this into a different perspective. Lets say you work at Wal-Mart. You have a manager, an assistant manager, and an area manager that are all in positions of authority over you. I guarantee that if you knew the pay-scales of those 3 people and compared them to yours, I doubt you would listen much to your area manager if you made more money. If you are getting paid more than your authority, you obviously mean more to the company. Also, if you had a new manager every year, how much stock would you put in impressing them. Same thing with players. I dont know coaching pay scales but I would imagine that only the best coaches make 4-5 million a year. Some teams will have 4-6 players making more money than the coach. How can you tell someone, that you know has more pull in the organization than you, how to play and discipline them for not doing what you say?
I am a firm believer in the fact that a coaches strongest motivator is the bench. What that means is if the player doesnt play as hard as you want or do what you want, you bench them. They can cry, complain, fuss, and not practice hard but until they realize that they wont get their way, they sit on the bench. Can you do that in the NBA?? No.

These are just 2 of my many concerns but I didnt want to overwhelm you with concerns. I am glad that you took the time to read and hope you respond to this young man from WV. One last thing. As educated people, we are forced to be open to changing our minds. We learn new things every day. Some things are opposites to what we knew before. Upon realizing this, we also see that we are free to make our own judgements about something. We can make our own mind on what to believe regarding something. Knowing this, we see that there is no right or wrong way to do something but the choices made can determine how successful one is. Again, thanks for reading.

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I don't care about the coaching thing, but a 3 year age limit is ridiculous. 2 years I could understand because even super freshman like Wall, Rose, Durant, Beasley, etc could add more to their game and be more ready for the NBA after their sophomore year. But what point is there in keeping John Wall in college for 3 years, for example? This whole "pushing older players out" is crap. The reason older guys are "forced" to retire is because their bodies can't handle playing in the NBA anymore. And I don't know about you, but I'd rather watch some athletic kids go out there and play with some energy then spend all season watching veterans replaying the most boring Spurs games 82+ games a year.

Trust me, 3 years will NEVER be put in. There's already complaints about how players have to go to college at all.

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3 Years thats stupid! what

3 Years thats stupid! what the hell would a prospect do for that long, if you are going to say 3 years might as well say 4 years for them to obtain a degree. I agree with shangrilla, i would rather watch athletic young guys then some boring fundamentally sound old dudes. Spurs basketball is dying for a reason. Also i think they should keep the one year of college deal. you might get one & done players, but some of them stay after they see they having a nice time, and really think more. Rather then having every 12th grader in the country putting their name in the draft, and half of them ending up bums

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You do realize that if you

You do realize that if you had to go 3 years only the players currently playing would have longer career. In about 3 years when we have the cycle of players coming in they would kick out the old guys and the nba would be right back to where ti is know in that reguard.

I think that owner give up on a coach to early but they paid the money for the franchise and can run it as they see fit the nba has no control over that.

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Do you realize that only

Do you realize that only current players are worried about their careers??

So are you telling me that Blake Griffin would not benefit from another year? What about Greg Oden? Kevin Durant?

Also, I said it could include a year of prep school. That means you beloved J-Wall would only have to go one more year.

It would make college basketball amazing and only send the guys that were absolutely committed to being in the NBA there. I hate seeing players that have no plan for their life. They grow up being told that they are going to the NBA so thats all they plan for. A child who knows that they have to go to college for 2 or 3 years commits to school, stays out of trouble, and tries to present themselves as a respected person. This would make the NBA a better place because they would have committed players who have either committed to the professional game overseas or years of college. It would make better people, a better environment and better players.

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I understand what you're

I understand what you're trying to say. Although, like a previous poster said, "Why would fans want to see these fading star's still around just for the purpose of getting them extra checks?"

At the end of the day, the college game and other prof. leagues would benefit greatly from the 3 yr. rule, however, the NBA's entertainment value would certainly suffer. Imagine if KD or Lebron had 2 wait 3yrs., crazy right?

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No.. These players would

No.. These players would still have been great. You would still see them play in the NBA... They would not have had to play out of position, would have dominated college, would have still been number 1 or 2 draft picks. If this had been around for about 20 years it would not have affected the NBA negatively yet. Nobody complains about the football rule...

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8th is on point what he is

8th is on point what he is getting at is the NBA is at a log jam for talent and the older guys are getting kicked out when they still have some game left. If you have a rule where guys must stay 2 or 3 years if they chose to go to college if they don't go HS to NBA then the cycle will be less of a log jam. 8th, is this is what you're saying??

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Sorta. I am mainly talking

Sorta. I am mainly talking about people being more prepared for the NBA. Even with the 1 year rule, we have had bust. People who can play, ala Derrick Fisher, get pushed out by some young buck who is a great athlete but not a great player. He pushes out this vet just because there is hype around him and the vet is old. If guys were going to college longer, you could spot their flaws. If they went over seas to play, you could spot their flaws. Right now, they can hide them in college basketball. It would also solve the issue that all busts have in common and thats their character. A guy who wont work will never be good. Ever. With college or over seas ball, they have to be committed and have high character to put in that much time to get to the NBA.

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There's a three year rule in

There's a three year rule in football because it's a much more serious contact sport. It's just not possible that an 18 or 19 year old could play in the NFL, unless your name is Adrian Peterson, who was a freak of nature coming out of high school.

I see what you're trying to say, but I don't like the idea. I don't like denying a freshman or sophomore the right to play in the NBA when he's NBA ready physically and mentally. There isn't a rule like that in baseball, golf, tennis or soccer.

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I think the NBA should

I think the NBA should expand to more teams, the talent is world-wide and it would solve problems. I think that is the best way to make things better, thoughts?

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There is actually a rule

There is actually a rule like that in baseball. If you dont come out right out of HS, you have to go 3 years.. Soccer has no age limit, which is dumb because a 13 year old clearly cant compete with men. Tennis and Golf are individual sports so it doest matter with them.

I dont like that crap that football is much more of a contact sport than basketball. I played both in HS and got way more injuries in basketball. Football never really hurt me that bad but basketball killed me. I had pulled muscles, bruises everywhere, 2 concussions, and more bloody noses than I care to mention.

If a 19 year old can handle basketball, a 19 year old can handle football.

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And if anything... Some of

And if anything... Some of these old guys, like Derek Fisher, need to be pushed out of the league. It's time for some of these guys to retire, but they want to stay and collect a pay check for as long as they can.

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Yeah, I like the baseball

Yeah, I like the baseball rule, but baseball has such a complex minor league that basketball does not and will never have. I would not mind if they added more teams to the league it would make the most sense. Basketball is the most world-wide game next to soccer and more teams are necessary. There are I would say maybe 2-3 teams worth of players that are not in the NBA simply b/c there are not enough teams.

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You're reaching now.

You're reaching now. Majority of 19 year olds can't handle NFL football. There's no questioning the fact that football is a more physical sport than basketball.

With all the injuries you've suffered playing basketball, you might need to find a new sport lol.

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I dont know about adding

I dont know about adding teams. IMO, that just waters the NBA down even more. I understand it gives more players room to shine but idk...

Also, Fisher does not need to retire. He is one of the best PGs in the game. He isnt the new age PG that needs to score the ball. He is a classic PG. Runs the offense, makes open shots, plays defense, doesnt turn the ball over, controls the game.

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I disagree about the NBA

I disagree about the NBA being watered down with more teams, I think it shows that there is more talent out there that expansion is necessary. You can't expand an NBA roster b/c only 5 guys are on the court and there aren't as many specialist type players like there are in football and baseball, add another 2 teams there will be more super stars spread out. I would love the idea of expansion.

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No, Im not reaching. Most

No, Im not reaching. Most college FB players are hardened by 19. Their muscles are rock solid, their bones are done growing, and they can handle it.. If you can play in college, at the highest level, you can play in the NFL..

Also, I dont get you telling me to play something else. I played the most physical position in FB. I was RB and MLB... Basketball was defiantly much much rougher than football. In FB, you are padded head to toe so you dont feel much. You can hit a guy as hard as you can, knock his mouthpiece across the field, and he gets right up, finds his mouthpiece and gets into a huddle. Did you play both?? If you havent, no offense, but you dont need to be talking about it.

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Yea I can see that but with

Yea I can see that but with teams that are as bad as the Nets, Wolves, Warriors, Kings, ect, I would hate to see 8 terrible teams instead of 4.

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I don't know man it's a

I don't know man it's a tough issue, but if the NBA finds that adding 2 more teams would give them more money, they will do it.

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I dont think it will though.

I dont think it will though. Where can they put teams where they will be supported for 41 games?? They dont even get that where teams are now.. Some of these teams dont make much money every year. We are not in a situation as a nation to be adding billion dollar companies to places where the support for them would be in question.

I would like to see it happen because new teams are exciting because you never know if they are going to be the Thunder or the Bobcats.

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Derek Fisher is one of the

Derek Fisher is one of the best point guards in the game? Are you serious or being sarcastic? Because that just doesn't make any kind of sense.

I played both sports all the way up until my senior year of high school and football was definitely a more physical sport. Not even close.

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You bring up good points,

You bring up good points, 8th, and it won't be for a while. Once the economy gets going again maybe we'll see expansion.

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I hope so.. D-Fisher is one

I hope so..

D-Fisher is one of the best PGs in the game..

What other PG is running one of the best teams in the league?? Mo Williams?? No, Lebron is their PG...

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Then Im going to guess that

Then Im going to guess that one if not both of your teams were not very good. Lets be honest....

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I played for North Central

I played for North Central HS in Indianapolis... In the toughest conference in the state. Baskeball wise, I competed against Rodney Carney, Robert Vaden, George Hill, Courtney Lee, Justin Cage, Josh McRoberts and many other players. We were one of the top teams every year.

Football wise... It was the same. We had two powerhouses in our conference in Ben Davis and Warren Central. Not only were they the best in the state, but two of the best in the country. I played with Courtney Roby who now plays with the Saints. Our football program wasn't as great as our basketball program, but we were competitive.

And Derek Fisher is a shell of his former self. He's having his worst season since 2003-2004.

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More Teams

The debate for more teams is really quite moot. Why don't we just expand the role of the NBDL. We can keep the NBA as is, and just have a dedicated D league team for every NBA team. 

If I'm paying for an NBA game, I want THE BEST athletes out there. If anything, I'd want to see fewer teams in the NBA and more teams in the NBDL.

Seriously, think about it: if there truly are MANY NBA caliber players as some posters claim, then the NBDL should be a great source of future talent, even with many undrafted palyers leaving for Europe. Currently, it is NOT.

Sure, a couple guys make contributions, but not enough to make 2 to 3 more teams of same level competition, you can bank on that.

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Hmm.. Did you actually

Hmm.. Did you actually play?? I mean I played a guard/forward and got my ass beat to death playing. I guess in WV, since we dont produce NBA players, I can name drop. However, playing with the guys at WVU, they are very very physical. I get hit harder up there every summer than I ever got hit in football.

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TLI great to see you

TLI great to see you posting. I get what you're saying, I am all for expanding the Dleague, but no one is joining it b/c it pays less than europe. Guys want to live luxurious if Stern wants to keep players in America, pay the guys in the D-League more.

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8th, ButlerBulldogs actually

8th, ButlerBulldogs actually played, he played at ISU, he's not lying to you. He is a good man.

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LOL... You're a funny dude.

LOL... You're a funny dude. I named dropped to let you know how tough our conference was. There weren't too many easy games. Not when you have Pike, Lawrence North and Carmel on your schedule a couple of times per season... And then probably having to meet them in the tournament. I came up in a time that produced A LOT of great players in my area. Pike had Chris Thomas, Robert Vaden, Courtney Lee and Justin Cage... They went undefeated.

I played JV my freshman year and dressed Varsity. I came off of the bench my sophomore year, but started my last two years. I definitely had to pay my dues.

I came into high school with football being my best sport though. I started wide receiver on varsity for three years. I had a huge growth spurt though, so I decided to skip out on football the summer before my senior year and focus on basketball.

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No way

There is no way in hell a 18-19 year old can play in the NFL...Don't even try to say that...Not even the physcially ready players are ready for the NFL. NFL is completely different from the NBA.

As far as your proposal...why make a kid stay in college if he doesn't want to or is ready? So it's either stay in college for 3 years or go to a Euro team and experience a culture change? Hmm....

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I got ya man. I guess its

I got ya man. I guess its just my state. Southern WV is a rough place. All we have is basketball and movie theaters. So when we arent in school or at the movies, guess what we are doing. Playing on the playgrounds. We are rough as hell man. We are all white and our starting centers range anywhere from 6'2 - 6'7 on a good year. We cant jump cause most of us are white so we just beat the hell out of each other I guess. However, every summer, Joe Mazzual whips my ass....

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8th, I wish I was from your

8th, I wish I was from your area for playing ball to make me a tougher person. Seriously I grew up with people who would rather be doing other things besides basketball, so it was tough to get a quality game during the summer.

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Ya know, you never hear

Ya know, you never hear about the guys who dont make it. You only hear the success stories. Most people dont make it to the NBA. Even then, half the people who get to the NBA dont make it in the NBA.. Now, instead of them trying to live the dream playing in the streets, they have some college education to fall back on. There are alot of programs where you can get a degree in 2 years. At least then, when their NBA dreams come crashing down, they have something to do. They can get a job that pays above minimum wage.

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8th, you should watch the

8th, you should watch the movie Hoop Dreams if you have not already, great movie.

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Around here, it is tough to

Around here, it is tough to get in a game. There is 1 quality court where I live and in the summer, it is packed out. It is in the middle of town so it is hot as hell. No shade, no benches, no bleachers, nothing. You stand in the road or on the edge of the court. The winning team stays up and if you win all day, you play all day. If your team is winning and you have to leave, you are given hell and you probably wont get to play when you get back. Thats just how it works. 1 court, 100 people want to play, and if you are winning, you better stay. It is rough, mean, scary if you arent used to it. I tried to take some of my college friends down there to play. Some damn good ones and they all left after 2 games. They got beat to hell and couldnt take it..

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I have never seen it.

I have never seen it.

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Man, it's all about respect.

Man, it's all about respect. I like that, I am not that good, but I play hard and with passion, goes a long way.

8th, Hoops Dream is a must see. The movie is on youtube in full, very long a little under 3 hours.

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Yea. You have to be tough

Yea. You have to be tough because its grown men you are playing with down there. I started playing with those guys when I was 12 and I have left the courts crying quite a few times.

I just read its about 2 guys chasing a dream.

Why should I watch it?? I mean I understand that its a good movie and all but why do you say I need to watch it?

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It shows the development of

It shows the development of these teens go throughout all of high school as well as other socioeconomic issues. It was quite interesting.

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Hmmm.. Ima have to find

Hmmm.. Ima have to find that.

Thanks.

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8th, here's the

8th, here's the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEzyolIXOFs

on the sidebar are all the other parts.

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Thanks man.

Thanks man.

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I have to disagree with

I have to disagree with you..Older guys like Kidd,Nash, Grant Hill,Juwan Howard,Kurt Thomas,Derek Fisher & Theo Ratcliffe are still around becuz they keep themselves in tremendous shape, they know the game..And their experience is crucial come playoff time..Older players dont get pushed out of the league..They're a great voice to have in the lockeroom..In fact some coaches would rather have them then play a hyped rookie...Coaches like Riley,Popovich,Larry Brown always find vets to fill out their rosters..For instance D.J Augustine seem to be a promising point guard for Charlotte ..But when Brown took over, Augustine's playing time deceased..And about the age limit..I dont feel anyone that think they're ready to make a living should be told they have to wait..Even if its someone coming out of High School..Kobe,Garnett ,Lebron & T-Mac came out of high school and right away they're among the top 10 players in the NBA..Everyone saw their commercials & bought their shoes..They had GM's looking for the next High School sensation..So many scouts were attending elementary games and harrassing those babies filling their heads with talk of money & fame..So in a way,it was good to get rid of the rule of allowing high schoolers to enter the draft..In some instances it helps certain players..I think if Daniel Orton & Bledsoe wait until next season they both might be top 5 picks.But they feel they're ready..So is it fair to tell them they can't try to make a living for themselves? When Some Tennis & Golfers hit the pro circuit as young as 14..

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Nobody is telling these guys

Nobody is telling these guys they cant work. McDonalds is always hiring. This is an exclusive league. Its not something that everyone gets to do. It is an exclusive league that can put whatever rules on it that they want. The Kobe, KG, T-Mac argument isnt valid because for every one of them, there are at least 10 people who flopped.. At least 10. You see guys get pushed out all of the time. Those older guys you mentioned were some of, if not the best of their time. Great players keep playing. Its that simple. Im talking about guys that are just hard nosed veterans that get reduced to being basically a coach with a player title. Maybe its just me but I love seeing smart players. I really dont care too much for dunks and stuff. Once you have seen a couple hundred, you get board with them. Yea, that guy can jump high. Thats not a skill, thats an ability. I love seeing Kidd or Nash make a fantastic pass through 5 players and a ref so that Amare gets an and-1. I love seeing CP3 draw defenders and kick out to David West for an open jumper. I dont like seeing the NBA reward guys like Joe Alexander simply because he is athletic.

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Getting back to the original topic...

You do realise that a 3 year age limit wouldn't ensure kids get an education, right? More kids would head over to Europe or just go straight into the D-League. I get that you want to give more people a chance and it's noble in theory, but it's just not practical.

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I could see an influx of

I could see an influx of players going over seas but, I dont see many people going to the D-League. You dont get paid to do that. A simple rule would exclude that players head over seas unless they want to stay say 4 years unless you were born there. There are ways around it. In college, you get a free dorm, free food, free books and a free education. It is practical but it will never happen. There is going to be a lockout soon and something drastic is going to happen or we will see Average Joe playing for the Celtics as a replacement. There is going to be a change somewhere.

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Dude..Setting an age is telling guys they cant work yet

Dude..Setting an age requirement rule IS telling guys that they can't work in the league yet..And Nobody is rewarding Joe Alexander, in fact he might not be on a nba roster next season..In this league if you can play,they're going to find room for you.. Some players like Sam Cassell,Kevin Ollie & Lindsey Hunter skills start to erode and becuz of their great character, coaches allow them to hang on longer then they should..

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He was rewarded by the NBA

He was rewarded by the NBA when they drafted him top 10. Gave him 4 million dollars because he can jump. The NBA is not telling these guys that they cant work.. They are just saying that they cant work for the NBA. They can go to Starbucks and work.. They can work at Wal-Mart. They can work on campus. You tried to work for a school without a degree, what would they tell you?? They would say " You cant get this job because you arent qualified yet. Go to college, get a degree and then you can be a teacher." They never said that you cant get another job. They just said you cant work here. Same thing with the NBA. Just like now, they are saying if you dont play one year somewhere else, you cant play here. How is that different than saying if you dont play 3 years somewhere else, you cant play here.

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8th Deadly! Why do i get the

8th Deadly! Why do i get the feeling that u belong to some strange CULT?

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