Charles Barkley said on TNT about the NBA becoming worse and that really got me thinking. I don't remember when there was such a huge amount of bad teams last time. There are many things that are wrong. Prospects coming out to early, bad coaching, poor managing and this all makes the NBA level kind of regress (compared to the 1990s).
Do you agree?
I disagree even though some of the points you made were true statements. the nba is as good as its been in along time look at the playoffs last year the highest ratings for playoffs in a long time plus the league is going thru one of its best talent booms in 30 years. yes teams are bad but we have a lot of good teams as well there are at least 11 teams out west with .500 records and teams such as okla this year show the league is getting better.
i dont know if the nba's getting worse , but the disparity between the good teams and the bad ones is getting larger
Yes...from a competition standpoint, the NBA is worse now than it has been. There are really good teams at the top, and really really bad teams at the bottom. Its always been that way, but what is different is the middle ground. There really isnt much of a middle anymore.
You know its worse when just about everybody can predict who will be the top seeds in both conferences and can easily predict who will have the 5 worst records. There just havent been that many pleasent suprises. Yeah OKC has been a little bit of suprise, and maybe in a sense Memphis a little bit too, but other than that, everybody is pretty predicatable. It makes it pretty boring kind of. Just because 1 team is suprising people doesnt mean the league is getting better.
I do think the NBA has gotten worse. Talent wise and game wise. The games just arent the same anymore it seems like. They arent as competitive, and it doesnt seem like any of them are trying unless its the Cavs vs the Lakers or the Nuggets vs the Mavs or some sort of top tier contender matchup. Teams at the bottom are downright pathetic, and it just doesnt seem right.
Biggy, I agree with you. Also guys aren't as effective shooters as they used to be. As for surprises you would have to add the Rockets and Bobcats, though the Rockets aren't making the playoffs they played extremely well with what they did not have. I think we see so many guys playing combo positions that guys don't have a skill set for one position where it hinders quality play.
The star players are not as skilled as those back in the 90's but there is a lot of talent out there.
The best teams pay the most for the best proven players and the worst teams work with unproven players or player that don't know what it takes to win yet and when they put it together another teams comes and snatches them up. Plus the management of these team factor in also some GM's know what their doing and some don't.
The economy killed "small market" teams (don't like that expression), who decided to rebuild. Then you have contending teams with 3 all star in their roster and teams with only young talent. Some succeded though, the Thunder and the Bucks for exemple.
A lot of is becaz of the free agent class of 2010 many teams didn't add contracts, instead they tried clearing cap space.
Next year the Knicks, Nets, 76ers, Pacers, Pistons, Wizards, Rockets, Hornets, Warriors, Kings, Clippers and Twolves should all improve via draft or free agency.
Heat and Cavs will fall off into lottery maybe w/out Wade & Lebron if they both leave. Celtics are getting really old and might drop off. Lakers if they don't get a Pg and some depth will probably drop off a lil. The Spurs are aging not sure why they are giving Ginobli a big extension esp. with having RJ for next year as well, they need to add more young guys. Raptors, Jazz & Suns all will drop off somewhat if they lose Bosh, Boozers, Amare.
Only team I see getting better w/out making big changes are the Thunder & Blazers.
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How is the NBA worse?
We have 8 teams in one conference with near 50 wins and 2-3 teams with about 45 who will miss the playoffs.
Knicksboy, no team with 45 wins is missing the playoffs.
Missed the playoffs a few years ago with almost 50 wins, so it's not impossible.
I don't know what to think on this subject, to be honest. On the one hand the East absolutely sucks and for some reason hasn't been able to get better at all in the last 5-6 years. But then you have the West where every playoff team needs 45+ just to get the 8th seed. Now that's impressive.
But I LOLed when I saw that comment about prospects coming in to early. So now that they have to spend a year in college and anybody that can dunk doesn't just leave for the NBA after high school, NOW is when they come in to early? I'll admit some people put their names in when they shouldn't, but to think it's as much of a problem as bringing kids in straight from high school is just stupid.
My bad...Houston and Memphis only have 40 wins.
When I look at players now and compare them to players from the 80s and earlier, I think that the actual talent of players has gotten worse, while the level of athleticism and excitement has increased. Sure, there were players like David Thompson, Dr. J, Dr. Dunkenstein (Darrell Griffith), Elgin Baylor, and M.J, but you have to admit that there are a lot of guys who can get up like they could nowadays. I blame the lack of fundamentals on the way that these guys are brought up. At a young age and sometimes advancing as far as their teenage years, the only principles many of today's players learn are basic fundamentals, such as properly protect the ball while dribbling and shooting with decent form. Fundamentals aren't preached at the same level as they once were because today's players have a much larger advantage in size, speed, strength and explosiveness when compared to their predecessors.
Couldn't have said it better myself, OJJ. I would add that most guys are developed to just dunk and shoot 3s, and that the mid-range game is not emphasized at all.
Now a days it's about style point not substance.
Also I think it's day way the games are called.
In the 80's 90's if you tried to dunk on someone their putting you on your ass. IF you even look at the lane your liable to get fouled. These day you can't hand check and a hard foul is a flagrant call.
The playoffs are the best games, most regular season games are for entertainment and that's it.
But I still love this game lol
The regular season should not be about entertainment rather the same intensity from game 1 to game 82. I think one thing the NBA has missed out on is team rivalries. I miss growing up as a kid seeing the Knicks vs. Heat/Pacers/Bulls all great games where guys had pride in the team they played for. Guys now just have pride playing in the NBA, not so much the team they play on. Now it's Lebron vs. Kobe, Lebron vs. Melo.
The regular season kills the NBA. The majority of my friends don't watch the NBA during the reg season cuz they "don't try as hard." That issue is in the hands of Mr. Stern. As far as it being worse, I liken it to a 3rd world country with a few rich, hardly any middle class, and A LOT of poor lol.
I remember those rivalries too. They should really bring those back, although there's a few new ones that have popped up. Portland and the Lakers seem to have something and down the line Oklahoma and Portland should be a good matchup to watch.
One of several problems with the NBA is the fact that the schedule is physically draining for the players. When they changed from 70 to 82 games, it created several negative effects.
* Players have to rest more often because an 82 game takes a major toll on their bodies.
* By the end of March, both players and fans start to lose interest in regular season games.
* I think there are more injuries now because they expanded the regular season to 82 games and they eliminated the old 3 game series. Between the extended regular season and the never ending playoffs, bodies start to break down.
I know the NBA will never cut back on playoff games but I think they should return to the 70 game season.
the refs are worse every year and its kind of killing the game.
I'm ot old enough to truly remember basketball in the 1980's and early 90's, but the fall-off in play has been noticeable. As early as the 1999 Lakers, the games were more competitive and physical, whereas now guys don't even play hard until miway through the 3rd quarter (at best) or the 4th quarter, unless it's the postseason. God forbid a team that's not been good or has a bad record playing, they won't play hard at all most times, unless they are developing young guys. The "upside" and "matchup problem" era which we are watching now has watered down the NBA product somewhat, even since the early 2000's