Tired of all these non-pass first PG's?
Anyone tired of all these scoring point guards, In the past PG's actually use to make their teammates better(Stockton,Jackson, and now Nash).
Some PG's are good(Williams,Paul), but it seems more and more PG's are looking to score. Whether it's in the NBA(Rose,Evans,Arenas), College(Wall), or High School(Teague,Selby), it seems like PG's nowadays have more of a scoring mentality. I want to see players that make their teammates better and not look for their shot first.
-Thoughts on this trend?
I don't mind seeing a scoring point guard.
Maybe even O.J. Mayo if Memphis gives up on Mike Conley in the next couple of years.
I dont mind seeing a scoring point as long as they stack assist while doing it like
-Deron williams 18.6ppg 10.5apg
-Chris Paul 18.7ppg 10.7pag
-Russell Westbrook16.3 8ppg
-Stephen Curry 17ppg 6apg
Aaron Brooks is a scoring point guard but we all wouldnt mind him starting at point if we were a coach
I don't mind scoring points if they can pass, It just seems like the mindset of PG's is changing. If you look through college and the elite high school prospects most of them look for their shot first. As a coach I would not like coaching a guy like that. A PG needs to be a leader.
Whens the last time a pg who averages 20+ppg won a championship?
When's the last time a PG who averaged 10+ assists per game won a championship?
Non pass first? Like Billups, D Will, Paul, Payton, Isiah, Walt Clyde, hell even Tiny Archibald. I want my point guard to be a great scorer. Thereve always been undersized 2's playing point, and acting like this is a new phenomenon is foolish. The best can do it all, this is a fact.
Rose is a very willing passer with teammates that need to create off the bounce. Luol is not a catch and shoot player, and neither is Hinrich. Even Noah likes making moves off the bounce.
Evans is a two, plain and simple. Arenas is an undersized two. Wall is a point guard.
Point guard score more because the hand checking rule helps them more than anyone. Theyre usually the smallest and weakest, making it easier to throw them off with physicality. Now its nearly to impossible to guard a player like Paul where he'll shoot over you or drive and score or force contact.
And in the past 20 years only 4 players averaged more than 6 assists in a championship year. Thats Wade, Jordan, Isiah and Pippen. And three of them averaged the most points for their teams.
1st...D3wadeisbetta...Where the hell did Chris Duhon come from? U named some pretty solid PG's then just threw in Chris Duhon. I found that funny. So thankyou.
Anyways, Yeah I agree the mindset of PG's is changing...The NBA is a PG driven league now more than ever as the PG's have the ball in their hands alot more. I personally would like a PG who is a pass first guy, but thats just not very common anymore. I think D.Will and Paul are both pass 1st guys, even though they score a ton, I also think John Wall could be a pass 1st type of player. But alot of PG's now are the main scorers on their teams, or at least a 2nd scoring option.
I would like to have scorer on my team i dont care which position is he but if a guy can give you 25 on any given night why wouldnt you like to have him ? ..... look what iverson was doing in his prime,when he took philly in finals who he had in his team ? mutombo who was 34 at the time ?.....My point is i would love to have a scorer in my team, and i dont care which position he plays...
I agree with what's been said. With hand checking rules there are more opportunities for scoring from point guards. But really, if the team is winning, why would you care how it gets done?
I'd want my point guard to be able to make good decisions, regardless of how many points or assists he has in the box score at the end of the game. If the D doesn't rotate when you penetrate, then finish. If they do, kick it out to an open man. If someone's open or calling for the ball in a good position, then give it to them.
That's where Ricky Rubio comes in (:
There are actually a lot of good point guards lol. Jennings is a pass first even though he has to score on that team. Rose can also pass and make plays but his team needs him to score. Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Darren Collison. There are actually only a few point guards that are starting that are not decent to great play makers. Westbrook who was more of 2 is even putting up good assists numbers. All those young points that come in and dont learn to pass will be back ups or overseas.
yeah you dont need a traditional point guard if you have players on the team that can make plays for others...if you look at the teams that have one championships...or even teams that were dynaties most of them had multiple guys that can make plays....but if your a team that doesnt really have talent..then you need that traditional pg to make the other players look better then they really are..
I know you didn't just say scoring and Chris Duhon in the same sentance.....and Jameer is a drive and kick guy not a scorer....
and Rose isn't really a scoring PG I don't think.....he might average 10 assists per if he had one person to pass to....really just one.....
this is one of the reasons I hate labeling players by position.....as long as there are good passers on your team its gonna be ok....in fact it is good to have a point guard that can shoot because he has to be able to hit when the good passers pass to him and he is open.....it really doesn't matter how tall a player is as long as the ball goes in the basket or in this case the pass is made.....
some of the "scoring PGs" mentioned
Mo Williams (has Lebron out there to distribute....if he doesn't score on that team it becomes exactly what people hate about the Cavs....Lebron 1 on 5)
Mike Bibby (his whole team was pass first except him and Peja)
and why wouldn't you want either of these guys to shoot??? they never miss....I know I certainly don't mind them shooting if I want my team to win......
I think if you watch a game you can tell who the true point guards are. You can't go by numbers because sometimes like Rose your guys dont finish and also some times you pass to a guy that leads to a pass that gets a score and that take the assists from you. I have watched most of the point guards and can tell who is more of a playmaker than just getting assists.
There is a difference between a scoring PG and an unselfish player. I don't consider Jameer Nelson, Derrick Rose, or Chauncey (for examples) scoring PG's despite them not having real gaudy assists numbers because if you watch them play they are very unselfish. Assists don't really determine who is a true PG all the time, only who can get guys easier scoring opportunities. The 3 guys I listed aren't unbelievably good at getting their teammates scoring opportunities STATISTICALLY for one reason or another like a CP3 or Deron Williams or Rajon Rondo etc etc are, but they are without a doubt true PG's despite not having high assists numbers. Anyone who watches should realize that.