Al Jefferson- GM David Kahn is on record saying Jefferson could be the 3rd best player on a championship team. Jefferson does not possess the type of passing ability to be the featured post player in the triangle offense, nor does he have the length to be an effective force on defense. Coach Rambis is very high on the potential of Darko Milicic and Darko has shown interest to re-sign if he is guaranteed significant play time.
Devin Harris- If the Nets were to receive the first overall pick and in all probability would selcect John Wall, NJ could turn around and try to deal Harris their way back into the lottery.
Chris Paul- The Hornets are coming off of a subpar season in which their superstar began piling up injuries and is finishing the season on the IR. Even with Paul healthy the Hornets would have been a fringe playoff team. NO front line has five player that will be 30 or older next season and the average salary of the front line is over 7 million a yr. With the emergence of Darren Collison, Chris Paul may become a casuality draft day. If a team in the upper lottery were to offer their selection and be willing to exchange some expiring contracts Paul could be on the move. A team to watch could be NJ, If they were to slide down the lottery they could package Devin Harris and their pick for the rights to Chris Paul.
Hell no, maybe Collison but there committed to him
"A team to watch could be NJ, If they were to slide down the lottery they could package Devin Harris and their pick for the rights to Chris Paul."
New Jersey could put that package together, but New Orleans would say no. Chris Paul is not going anywhere. Darren Collison had a nice little run while Paul was out, but he is not Chris Paul. Not even close. I do believe there is a chance that a team could offer a lottery or mid-first for Collison. A team with cap room might try to get Collison by taking on one of the awful contracts the Hornets are saddled. Chris Paul isn't moving.
i agree with harris and jefferson. if NO was to trade CP it would be them breakin up the team, so okafor and west would be out the door too. and i don't really see them trading CP to the nets for harris AND the lottery pic. becuz that would basically give NO 2 pg's and a mediocre (non-Wall) pick. why would they want that? if anything it would be a 3way deal with harris going somewhere else. i also don't see CP allowing himself to be traded just anywhere. IF he was gonna be traded, he would demand a contender or at least a better locale than newark, nj...even if that is just a temp stop for the nets.
RANDOM trade thought...CP3 + Okafor for Bynum, vujacic + walton. NO can prolly get back from other teams but that one just popped into my head as far as CP going to a contender
but reality, CP isn't going anywhere. i agree w/ the guy that said they'd prolly package collison w/ a bad contract (okafor please!!) and get back something decent at either center or sf.
Im not going to lie. I dont like to be a Prima Donna but if I were CP3 I would ask to be traded. I mean the franchise has dont nothing to build a contender with Paul. Seriously?? David West, Okafor, Mo Peterson and Peja?? That team would be horrible with most PGs... Even with the best PG in the game, the would struggle to make the top 4 playoff spots. Thats just a lack of effort on the management's part. I dont know where he could go and who could have enough to trade for him. Think about the Nets. If they get the first pick they could trade it and next years first pick with some young blood or something..
2010 1st pick
2011 1st round pick
Draft Pick - John Wall, Evan Turner, Demarcus Cousins, whoever.....
Then a possible second rounder. Da'Sean Butler, Lance Stevenson, Willie Warren, Manny Harris. This draft is deep with role players in the second round so they could still get some help....
I know this seems unbalanced but the new owner is going to look to do something crazy to get a crowd. The Nets could be a playoff team and the Hornets could be too with the pick of Wall or Turner then next year's pick from NJ with their own. They could rebuild around Collison and Turner or Wall.. Potential to be like a Thunder or Blazer team. Build through the draft. That could work for the Hornets because they seem to have a problem with money so some young players with low pay could be great for them.
Not gonna happen but just going with the idea here.
Here is the one thing I really kinda disagree with Kahn on, and that is his belief that Millicic is the future. What type of player does he think he is gonna become? I think he has the potential to develop into a very solid role player but not much more. That being said, I do agree that Jefferson has to go if we are indeed committed to moving into this triangle offense. Just make sure we get something of solid value in return Kahn. Can't be getting rid of star potential players for the low just cuz they might not fit the scheme.
As far as Devin goes, I think if they get the 1st overall pick and decide Wall is their's then he's probably gone, but only if a team makes a solid offer. You don't get rid of a guy like Harris just b/c Wall is coming in. I'd like to see how he would perform at SG. He is slightly undersized, but he has the speed/quickness and shooting ability to be a factor at the 2. Plus, Brooklyn can't afford to lose the chance at having Meghan Allen at their home games. Smokin!!!
Chris Paul- FINALLY, someone who agrees with me!!! His contract is massive and NO is already in a horrible financial position. I'm sure they could get a hell lot in return as he still is the leagues best PG. Collison is more than ready to be a starter in this league. I'm sure many people would be upset with the call, but this is a business decision more than anything else. Bringing in a all-star/potential all-star caliber player combined with a couple firsts would ease things over as well. Probably won't happen for the love affair they have for him (as they should) and is more likely that Collison would be the one on the move.
The8thDeadlySin, I like that your toying with the idea, but I don't see why NJ/Brooklyn would go for that unless it is after falling in the lottery. Those fans have their eyes pinned on John Wall IMO, and I think that they might rather keep their firsts and Terrence Williams as opposed to going after Chris Paul and his huge contract. Also, they don't know if Harris is the answer at SG yet and if he doesn't pan out there, then they have 2 big contracts locked up at the PG position. I think a more ideal trade would be to Indiana, Philly or Memphis just to name a few.
See. Harris played the 2 guard when the Mavs had the best record in the NBA. I dont see why people dont think he will work there. Even then, he was playing off of Terry, who isnt even close to the PG that Paul is. Moving on. CDR would fill the 2/3 guard role and could be special. Yi could eaisly be David West. He can shoot, rebound, and has the height to "accidentally" defend. Also, look at what Tyson Chandler is w/o Paul. Nothing. He can defend and thats it. Now after seeing what Paul did for Chandler, imagine what Paul could do for the development of Lopez. Paul would basically be in the same situation he was in at NO except with better players. Lopez can catch lobs and rebound along with score on his own. Yi can shoot outside and has more range and ability to go off the dribble than West. CDR can shoot and so can Simmions and Hayse.. Dooling can backup Harris and Paul.. Depending on who they draft, if they get a shooter like Butler, they could be instant role players..
I dont see how it couldnt work and someone who wont give up the number one pick and Terrence Williams for the best PG in the game is crazy.. Come on man. And if for some reason, Harris cant play the 2, they can trade him. Everyone is looking for a PG..
Everyone is looking for a PG?
Minny isn't. New Orleans sure as hell isn't. Spurs probably aren't. Chicago isn't. Utah isn't. Bucks aren't, maybe a backup but not a starter. OKC isn't.
But I do agree with you that Harris could be a solid 2 guard. Problem is IDK how well he would play off the ball if Paul would have it the majority of the game.
I never said they were looking for a starting PG but every team you mentioned could use Harris.
Harris could probably start over Flynn and is defiantly better than Sessions.
Better than Collison.
Better than Hill.
Better than Ronnie Price.
Better than Luke.
Every team is looking for a PG. Even a team like the Spurs or the Hornets are always looking for an upgrade at the point position. Also, Harris was an allstar so he would start on most teams.
i just think trading Collison will be more safer then tradin Paul...especially for your fan base...and you dont trade a top 5 player in the league for finacial reasons...you deal all the other players...which im sure they can do this offseason now that they have more tradeable pieces...like puttin Collison or Thorton with one or two of there bad contracts...
but if paul did demand a trade..the best place would be new jersey if they had that number one pick
Minny would then be forced to trade a PG again though. They would need to move Flynn/Rubio/Harris/Sessions IMO. Thats way to much talent at one position when the rest of your team needs help in other places.
And sure any team will take Harris for the low, but I would hope NJ would want something of great value in return and IDK how many teams would want to do that if they have solid depth at PG already.
What do you think his driving price is gonna command? I think you think he can be had for a lot less than I do.
This post isnt about trading Harris... I think he is a more natural 2. He would work with Paul.
I agree with you one the fact that he can play 2, but I don't think he could when CP3 has the ball 24/7. Harris is an on-ball player, not a guy who is gonna really fight off screens, cut, and play off the ball. I think there would be a compatibility issue. But, I think there is a possibility it could work. We will never know unless it would happen.
But still just interested in hearing what you think the price for Harris would be if they got CP3 and it didn't work out.
Honestly, If they get CP3, his price goes down. An expiring contract and a first round pick. A young wing player and an expiring contract. Maybe a couple first round draft picks. If Paul isnt there, is probably isnt moveable..
Ok, thats what I was thinking too. I think we have a similar take on that situation, but I keep thinking they would look to move Harris as a PG for a bigger guy at the 2 since that would be a pretty small backcourt.
Well with Yi at 7', Lopez at 7', CDR ay 6'7, I think you can get away with a SG at 6'3 and PG at 5'11.
Darko is getting minutes and is starting to actually care which could be interesting for a guy with so much raw talent and a decent basketball IQ. I actually like the pairing of Jefferson and Darko and think they compliment each other well. Love needs to be the odd man out. Minny needs to shore up their 2 and 3 spots and they can do it with this years draft pick and they could possibly trade Rubio for another pick or trade him for an veteran asset. I really dont see Rubio playing for Minny and they need to make that move soon.
Sheltwon, here's a quote from coach Kurt Rambis after their April 4th game which shows me they think Milicic is part of their future plans.
After Milicic left the game at the 10 minute mark after blocking 3 shots, Kurt Rambis said, “"Losing Darko hurt, he's such an imposing presence inside defensively”.
3 blocks in 10 minutes is pretty damn productive. Im not gonna be knockin that but I don't see him being a consistent starter anytime soon. Just my opinion.
I don't think it quite works like that 8th...They have a big frontcourt, but their backcourt would be undeniably small...you can't just average those out and say everything is going to be fine. And if you guys havn't noticed they barely play CDR anymore, so i don't think he would be moved into the starting sf for next year...
As you know, I've repeatedly said Milicic is blessed with lots of physical talent. He's 7 feet tall, weighs around 275 pounds, he can run the court, and he can jump. He's still only 24 years old, and for whatever reason, he wasn't given what I would describe as a full blown opportunity to prove himself one way or the other. For once I would like to commend David Kahn for realizing that taking a chance on Milicic had very little downside and lots of potential on the upside.
M Dymes, have you noticed some of his games? He had a monster one against the Lakers and several others where he scored in double digits, had double digit rebounds, and blocked more than one shot. I'm not proclaiming he's going to be an All Star next season, but he just may have found a home in Minnesota where he finally got the opportunity he wanted.
okay, so i am bored and thought of a crazzzzy trade for NO to blow up there team(get rid of paul), that includes 3 other teams.. so here it goes(this is just for fun, no seriousness, just take a look):
trades-Paul, Posey, Okafor, Wright, Peterson, Thornton
receives- Iguodala, Prince, Jefferson, 1 or 2 of minny's draft picks
starting lineup- Collison, Iguodala, Prince, West, Jefferson
trades- Iguodala, Dalembert
receives- Paul, Posey
starting lineup- Paul, Green, Young, Brand, Speights
trades- Prince, Daye
receives- Okafor, Hollins, Wright
starting lineup- Stuckey, Hamilton, Wright, Villanueva, Okafor
trades- Jefferson, Hollins, draft picks
receives- Dalembert, Daye, Peterson, Thornton
starting lineup- Flynn, Thornton, Gomes, Love, Dalembert
let the ridicule begin!!
i really don't like that for Minny at all. Dalmebert is on the decline and still has a year left on that massive deal. Thorton is alright but IDK if he is even starter material, especially without a big time distributor like Paul. Minny really doesn't improve from this even with the draft picks. Good try though.
Yeah, Paul will get traded to the Nets for Harris and then Lebron will sign with them, too.(sarcasm) Paul getting traded right now is very farfetched and it would take a killer deal for the Hornets to get rid of him.
Wow, apparently somebody doesnt like anything anybody is saying cuz as I scrolled down, I gave everybody who had negative points a point...Which was probably about 80% of the people.
Anyways...While the backcourt of Harris and Paul would be interesting on Paper, and in NBA live, its not realistic and probably wouldnt work as well as people think. Someone mentioned that both are effective with the ball in their hands but non existent without it...I agree 100% with that. Paul needs to ball to be effective...and he's pretty damn effective. Likewise for Harris, neither guy is used to not having the ball and running the sets for their offenses, therefor I think there would be a power struggle.
Did anybody actually read the title of the topic though: "players that could be moved during the draft" I was interested to see any players people thought might get moved...are there any?
You don't know if Marcus Thorton is starter material? Are you blind? Without a distributor like Paul? Did you see what he did with Darren Collison playing 45 mins a night? LOL.
I still think if the Pacers don't decide to draft Bledsoe that they will try get Collison or Harris with their draft pick and some expiring contracts.
You and I are both Pacer fans... You know Bird isn't going to draft a freshman point guard, unless it's John Wall. The only players I can imagine Bird drafting from Kentucky are Wall and Patterson.
Harris has been injury prone the last few seasons, so I can't really see Bird making a move for him... As good as Collison has been, I can't even see Bird making a move for him. I'm sure New Orleans would also want us to take back one of their bad contracts. I can't see that happening... We won't take back a contract that goes past the summer of 2011.