Jon Scheyer and Dukes Big 3
1st off I know Jon Scheyer' s strength, lack of position but i mean his skill, heart and shot should land him somewhere in the NBA. Any thoughts
Singler and Smith are both predicted to go to the NBA.
Any chance of Lance Thomas or Zoubek being in the D-League or possibly overseas?
Lets Go Duke
Scheyer can't play good enough D to keep a significant spot on a nba team. Lance is way skinny even after adding 20 lbs of muscle. Zoubek, no comment.
I always thought that Lance Thomas would develop a jumpshot and blossom into a possible 1st-round pick by his senior year at Duke, but I guess I was wrong. He's still an undersized bigman who doesn't possess the freakish athleticism or perimeter skills to make up for his lack of height and strength. I think Scheyer has the potential to be the next Trajan Langdon. Say what you want about Langdon, but he's had a hell of a career playing for CSKA Moscow. I have to cosign with "the I in win" on Zoubek.
I think Nolan Smith possesses the most pro potential out of all of the people mentioned in the opening post. He's the best athlete in the group, but he's only 6'2, and he probably won't be able to prove that he can run the point full-time with Kyrie Irving coming in next year.
Kyle Singler could be a productive NBA player in the right situation. He's not that great of an athlete, but he's a good shooter and a very solid all-around player.
I honestly think zoubek could find a place in the NBA. will he be a star? no. will he score well? no. but i was reading an ESPN article today that said 7'1" bigs who rebound and play defense are more than welcome in the league. it compared Zoubs to a Joel Pryzbilla type player.
IDK that he will be a great backup or fringe starter like pryzbilla but he could make it as a bench player in the league. I mean seriously, if Aaron Gray is in the league, Zoubek could be too
Zoubek, Scheyer, Smith, and Singler will all be on summer league rosters at some point and all will make an NBA team for at least one season.
Say what you want about Scheyer but he is a baller and he will find a spot on some team in the L. His defense is not great but he definitely is not bad-- he needs to add a little bulk but the proper strength coach can help him with that.
As for Zoubek as someone above said there is always a spot in hte NBA for 7'1" rebounders..
And Smith/Singler speak for themselves.
you can justify any 7 footer to be in the league but Steven Hill who played for the blazers summer league team either last year or the year before is much better than zoubs and isn't in the nba.
One year ago, if you asked me if Scheyer could make it in the NBA, I would have laughed. However, after watching him play PG all season and how productive he was, I changed my mind. No, I don't think he's all star material, but on the right team, he could be a decent role player. In the NBA, 3 point shooting is critical and I think he might find a place on a team that needs someone to come off the bench and open up the interior with outside shooting.
Brian Zoubek has no chance of playing in the NBA.
Nolan Smith can go somewhere late in the first or early in the 2nd round.
I have mixed feelings about Kyle Singler, but if I had to guess, he would be an early 2nd round choice and could possibly make a roster as the 11th or 12th man. If Brian Scalabrine and Brian Cardinal can make a career in the NBA with no talent, then Singler can probably do the same, because he's much better than both Brians.
I don't think Lance Thomas has any chance of making it at the next level.
Steven Hill?? Are you kidding me? Hill was good for one thing and one thing only.... Shot Blocking.. His SR yr as a 7' in 16 mpg he didnt even average 3 rebounds a game.. PATHETIC.
They both are similar offensively with limited games, although Zoubek has a couple of post moves ( a couple more than Hill had).
Zoubek averaged 7.7 rebounds in 18 mpg. He's an excellent offensive rebounder.
To say Steven Hill is much better than Zoubek is a HUGE joke. Hill lost playing time his SR year on ARKANSAS. Zoubek is a much better rebounder and has a much better shot to make the NBA than Hill ever had or will have.
Not really, Zoubs doesn't bring much to the table besides rebounding. Hil also can score a little but Zoubs doesn't even look at the basket most of the time. Either way the point of my statement is still valid, any 7 footer can be justified to be in the nba whether he brings shot blocking or rebounding to the table. I never said Hill would be in the nba i just said he was better, if you don't agree well their is nothing i can do about that but you can't say Zoubs has a better chance to get in the nba.
another perfect example that just got signed, dwayne jones. he was on the cavs summer league team and i watched him play a bit. he was down right terrible but he got minutes because he was 7 foot. he didn't even excel at any one thing he was just pretty bad all around.
I think Singler is the only legit guy to have a spot on the rotation for a team. The other guys might have to sign 10 day contracts and D-League to get their chances.
No way Zoubek makes a NBA team...
Aaron Gray was a BEAST at Pitt...
"Zoubs doesn't bring much to the table besides rebounding"
----No he doesn't but he wont be asked to do much more than that in the NBA (if he makes it).. He also plays excellent defense..
"Hil also can score a little but Zoubs doesn't even look at the basket most of the time. "
-----Yeah because Hill was constantly dominating the post offensively with his 4 ppg.
"Either way the point of my statement is still valid, any 7 footer can be justified to be in the nba whether he brings shot blocking or rebounding to the table."
----Yes but rebounding is more highly regarded than shot blocking.. Zoubek plays excellent defense without blocking many shots. He constantly alters shots and is in good position.. He wont be able to gaurd quicker big men in the NBA but he will excel in a situational/matchup defensive role.
"I never said Hill would be in the nba i just said he was better, if you don't agree well their is nothing i can do about that but you can't say Zoubs has a better chance to get in the nba."
----There is nothing you can do about it except understand that you saying Hill is much better is completely absurd. Throughout the tournament Zoubek is averaging 10 rebounds a game in about 20 mpg. A rebound every 2 minutes he is on the floor. That is elite rebounding level in the college game. Thats like Dejuan Blair last year. Hill was an awful rebounder for his size, you can say he was a liability in that department. Zoubek defensively is not a liability at all. He is not a big shot blocker but he is excellent at altering shots and plays good post D.
Zoubek>Hill and Zoubek has a much better shot to make it to the NBA. I'm fairly confident someone pulls the trigger on Zoubek late in round 2. If not expect him to play in the summer league and make an NBA roster, even if it is as the 12th man.
Usually rebounding is more important yes but the jazz for example would take Hill over Zoubs because they have plenty of guys that can rebound but their best shot blocker is AK-47. Hill's offence relies mostly on feeds from other players but he is more athletic and will finish with a dunk where as Zoubs will lay it up which is much more likely to get blocked by nba big men.
It's possible for Zoubs to get taken but I severly doudt he would stick with a team. If he gets picked the team will probably tell him to go to europe and they may look at him in the future.
If Brian Zoubek were on a different team he would be scoring a lot more. Part of dukes success this year comes from the fact that each player fits a niche on the team, and excels in that niche. Zoubek doesnt need to score because smith singler and scheyer all do that very well, he just focuses on controlling the glass, playing defense, and taking charges.
IMO zoubek is very efficient and despite the fact that his game is ugly, he gets it done. He rebounds better than hill did, in fact his offensive rebounding is at the 2nd highest rate of any player in the country (second only to cousins). He may not be expolosive but he understands positioning very well and he makes the most out of his skills.
The NBA likes people who are 7'1", that is clear. They also like players who defend, players who rebound well, players with high basketball IQ's, and players who hustle. Zoubek gets a check-plus on all of those fronts IMO.
Do i think he's gonna light it up in the league? no. Do i think he's gonna be a long-time starter? no. Do i think he'll be drafted? it's possible but very unlikely.
do i think he will be a servicable reserve who can carve out a niche in the league? yes, definately. Do i think he could make a roster? yes. Do i think he could step in and play some good minutes if an injury occured? yes.
In a league where there is a premium on height, and 7 footers are hard to come by, zoubek, i think can find a place to play
John Scheyer is a 50/50 NBA player. He can shoot and he's decent at setting up the offense and he's not mistake prone. I think those are qualities of a 2nd or 3rd string PG. He's never going to be more than a guy that plays more than 10-15 mins a game in the NBA because he's not going a good defender, and he lacks athleticism and quickness.
Nolan Smith reminds me of Mario Chalmers. He's not very talented, but he can make open shots, has a good middle game, and he is a hard working defender with decent athleticism and quickness. He can be a late 1st/early 2nd round pick.
Brian Zoubek is too terrible offensively to play in the NBA. He rebounds and is tall, but he's VERY stiff and could have trouble defending in the NBA. Definitely can play overseas though.
Kyle Singler could be like Luke Walton in the NBA. I personally think Luke Walton is terrible, but he's smart and a good passer who can make open shots. He will be a late 1st or early 2nd rounder.
Lance Thomas is a tough post defender and he's energetic, but he's probably going to have an overseas career. Too bad offensively.
Mason Plumlee has lotto potential in the future.
I remember Steven Hill he was one of my favorite college players of all time. What team does he play for now?
Steven Hill was terrible to me, only a tall shot-blocker. He looked like Jackie Moon though lol. He plays in the D-League though
I never said he was good lol, but hes one of my favorites i completely forgot about him.