Present Day HOFers
Boucin this off of Stanford's post but just gonna list guys I think are HOF caliber or will be who are playing today...
Maybe one day
Jennings (doubt it but possible)
Yao Ming (his size and what he did for international ball will put him in the conversation)
Ray Allen (?)
wow, curry and evans will be all star guys easily, jennings has a long way too go.
Nash is international with two MVPs (that thing is cursed lol) and Ginobili and Parker have rings
I don't think Billups is a HOF player. I know he's good but HOF players bring a different vibe to me.
Billups is clutch... how many straight Eastern Conference Finals Appearances?!
His performance against Paul in the playoffs last year was magnificent, Billups has some years left in him.
Nuggets are Melo's team but Chauncey is a leader and a big part of that team. I think its too early too tell but he is one of the more deserving individuals
in term of playoff success that we have in the NBA today
I tried to get most of um, I forgot some sorry guys feel free to add. I just like the prospects of Jennings developing into one because he seems like such a mature player to me at this point in his career. That is a big rarity for a rookie, just one year removed from hs. I don't like putting any rookies on the list but I think he and Evans look good after year 1. Maybe Curry, I'm still a bit suspect because of his size compared to his game but he has really impressed me thus far.
I think Ray Allen is in. Put his numbers up against Reggie Miller's. The ring helped his case as well.
there is no maybe one day about Ray Allen....and T-Mac not so much.....Bosh, Gasol, Billups, Durant, Paul, Deron all deserve to be in the "maybe one day" category....Kobe, Lebron, Garnett, Duncan, Shaq, Iverson, Ray Ray, and maybe Pierce are the only people that are guaranteed if the vote was taken today.....oh Nash and Kidd too.....
midwest: you say Gasol is in the maybe one day category but its not the NBA hall of fame, its basketball. All of his international success is included. I think Gasol is a lock for the Hall on the pace he is on with all his international success.
i would take billups and tmac out. defenitely add ray allen.
he still has a long way to go....he has a whopping total of ZERO olympic gold medals.....he has one who world championship....maybe if they win the gold over the US in 08 he has the international resume.....also he has a total of 1 championship (where he is clearly the number 2 player if that).....he is the reason they lost to the Celtics the year before because he is such a nancy boy....he has a LONG way to go before he is a for sure hall of famer....right now if I'm electing an international player to the HOF its Manu Ginobili really....more NBA titles...more Olympic Golds....
Billups is not a HOFer..he is similiar to Dennis Johnson...If Tm Hardaway & Kevin Johnson aren't in he def doesn't deserve it. Mac is a possibility he had 6-7 where is was in convo as the best perimeter player in the league. Rondo or Jenning shouldn't even be in the convo yet....Here's one Grant Hill..He was at one time the top all-around player in the league...He has a T-Mac like arguement
Anyone on the Warriors, Knicks, and Nets.
yeah, tmac and grant hill are tough ones because they were hands down top 3-4 players in the game for a few seasons, but injuries ruined their careers. Personallyk, i would say no on both of them. I would like to see the hof have really high standards.
I don't think people realize how good Gasol was in Memphis, his career averages are 19ppg and 9reb. Anyone who can average close to 20 and 10 for a career is a HOF. I do agree he has to do it for like 5 more years but I see him getting in.
I think Hill gets pushed over the top based on his accomplishments at Duke.....time has proven that he was the player that pushed them over the hump as an elite program as well as the best player on those great Duke team and its not even close.....T-Mac doesn't get in because a) he isn't a media favorite (another reason Hill does make it)....and b) his rep as being more of a selfish guy as he has never won a playoff series....and I don't see him winning one with the Knicks anytime soon....if he wins a series one day that MIGHT change but I doubt it b/c from now on he will be nothing more than a complimentary player wherever he plays....
ray allen is in, he only needs like another 300 3's to pass reggie for all time makes. maybe like a season and a half and he will have the record.
tmac isnt a hall of famer.. that was talked about on espn as well..could have been if not for injuries..similar to grant hill as someone stated. billups right now is on the outside looking in but could possible get in if he continues to do well in the coming years. wont be a first or second ballot if he ever makes it
i cant say about the young guys because sometimes they dont do much better then there first year in some cases
Like I said, if he gets in its based on what he did for the Duke program....Christian Laettner and Bobby Hurley get a lot of the credit for making them elite but it wasn't until Hill got there that they became indestructable....without Hill I personally don't think they get a title in 91 or 92.....and also remember that he was a top 5 player at least in the late 90's....he was the OG of MJ heir apparents.....not to mention he was my first ever great draft prediction.....I said a million times that he should have been the first pick....an argument could be made for Jason Kidd but the injuries Hill suffered were so freakish they make Greg Oden's look like a walk in the park....
delfam.....20-10 does not guarantee you hall of fame status. Elton Brand is at 19.4-9.8 for his career....he is not getting in.
Pau Gasol right now, no.
Chris Bosh right now, no.
T-Mac or Vince Carter, no.
This is the Hall of Fame we are talking about. Those guys can be in the All-Time greats room, not HOF.
yeah, 20-10 doesn't gaurantee anything. ALthough if you do it for an entire 12 year career, that is impressive. But Pau has work to do if he wants hall status. Because based on his nba career alone, he is not in.
Vince is a tough one, when you compare him to other guys who are in, Drexler and to a lesser extent Joe Dumars he really should be in. I understand those guys have rings but Vince talent is equal to Drex and he is way! better then Dumars, Better the Reggie too. He def has a great shot to get in if he makes a finals run in Orlando...I think some guys in the HOF get too much credit for being star talent not supestar talent on championship teams. HOF should be 70% based on talent 30% based on accomplishments
how many championships does Dumars win without Isaiah and Drexler's title shouldn't mean dick....I think titles should only be considered if you were the best player on that title team really.....not that Clyde wasn't talented but if he's in with a title out if he doesn't get one that's pretty bogus.....if that's how it is Robert Horry should get a special exemption like Gretzky did in hockey....
Drexler was great and he should be in regardless of title or not. I truly think he was the second best wing player during jordan's era. But i hear you on dumars. JoeD benefitted from wining titles and was a very good player, but far from anything special. Brandon Roy, joe johnson and vince carter would give him the business if he played today.
you're right about Drexler....everyone on the original dream team should be in the HOF....90% on the first ballot.....that team won with defense and cuz Isaiah is off the chain, not because they had Joe Dumars....and he can't be more than a 3 or 4 time all-star....and he went to a tiny school that didn't win nor did he play on a national team so he gets no "this isn't the NBA HOF" points....he would get worked by at least 1/2 of starting shooting guards right now and there are 2's from his era that probably deserve to get in ahead of him that aren't....