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Hasheem Thabeet Rumor

It's rumored that the Grizz are looking for a place to send Thabeet. Possibilities include landing Devin Harris, Darren Collison, or Jose Calderon.

What do you guys think of this rumor


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I think they are bat

I think they are bat &$#%#&@! crazy if they think they gonna any of them for him straight up. Unless some picks or some big time role players are added to that deal, I really cant see any of those scenarios realistically going down.

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Is he really that bad?

he gives you size in a league where we have 6'6 backup centers, is he foul prone

or is it numbers game with Gasol?

he cant improve if he doesnt play, but it has been proven that you dont need a dominant center to win a title, just size and great wing players to compensate scoring wise

Is he really that bad?

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Horrible man defender, no

Horrible man defender, no offensive game, worst intangibles ever. He's pretty bad.

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Shoot...

Shoot, he's better than Byron Mullins

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he's better then mullens,

he's better then mullens, but he's also way more expensive...and both of them are backups at best right now.

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Hope to see Thabeet + filler for Calderon

As a raptors fan, I would like to see Jose Calderon for Hasheem Thabeet, the Raptors need a real legit inside presence the worst way. Thabeet would provide inside defense and Bargnani can shift to PF.

Sending Bosh somewhere via S&T to get other assets back, then the Raptors would be built around DeRozan, Thabeet, and Bargnani.

Not sure if Memphis would do that though.

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Drawing on my past speculation his off rebound rate is 11.9% compared to Dwight Howard's 12.1%

I havent watched him but he has potential, defensively he is a bit better than Gasol

but Gasol is miles ahead on offense, in terms of assist to TO ratio but its closer than you think

If Thabeet had gone to Minnesota they would have valued him more than Memphis,

but Thabeet's estimated win total is 1.2 in 58 games compared to Big Z's 1.0 win total in 58 games.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=c&sort=VORP...

In other terms you could trade Big Z for Thabeet and there would be no change in wins, Sure Big Z is a better shooter but Thabeet is the same size and just as mobile and rebounds

His PER is equal to Gortat, 2 backups with the potential to contribute more on other teams in terms of MPG but if the GM wants to trade him go right ahead but Thabeet has "potential".

He probably wont dominate like Dwight Howard but he could become passable in terms of efficiency, maybe 15ppg one day off of tip ins and basic post moves and playing next to a better PG

his assist to turnover ratio is bad tho!

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Stats don't tell the whole

Stats don't tell the whole story, especially those stats.

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his Player Efficiency rating is similar to Perkins when Perkins won the NBA championship and Thabeet is a rookie

while Perkins was considered a veteran that year in my mind.

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Kendrick Perkins,14.8

Hasheem Thabeet, MEM 58 11.6 .605 3.8 17.6 10.4 11.9 20.7 16.3 14.05 34.6 1.2

this year Perkins PER
is 15.28

In other words, he doesnt have to be Tim Duncan to win a championship especially since MEM has so many scorers to pick it up for him.

If I were a fan of another team I would be glad to have a legit defensive center like Thabeet, he has potential to improve his efficiency, prolly not in Memphis tho

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Stats don't tell the whole

Stats don't tell the whole story, especially those stats.

stats say he's not a productive backup but room for improvement
he turns the ball over a lot
so he's an offensive liability correct or incorrect?

those stats say Thabeet and Ilgauskas have equal production in terms of adding wins to a team. It fluctuates with minutes played but

Thabeet is alright
his defensive awareness and offensive production has to improve and he has the ability to affect the game in spite of the holes in his game.

e's 7'3, it makes sense, its called potential ;)

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You have to take into

You have to take into consideration his fouls per minute. He ends up averaging about 7 fouls per 36 minutes...he's never going to be effective if he's never on the floor...one of the best ways for him to get less fouls is to be less aggressive...which subsequently means less rebounds, less blocks, thus lowering his PER and win share.

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@ fastdan yeah but I've

@ fastdan

yeah but I've never seen him play much but ppl said the same thing about Oden, and then he was a near-dominant center when healthy

I cant really speculate unless I see him play but if he can just alter shots and compete on defense...ut I dont see why he couldnt avg

14 and 7 like Perkins is averaging all while giving teams size.

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How is he drawing these fouls?

Just yesterday Gasol and Thabeet combined for 11 fouls and 11 points, Gasol was coming off injury I guess but still Gasol is a top 10 center!

I mean cut Thabeet some slack, the margin for error is pretty thin for centers.

In my opinion he just needs more time but I aint really seen him play so...How is he drawing these fouls?

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Miami will give them Beasley

Miami will give them Beasley for him!

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to the raps

i like the idea of thabeet for calderon.. both teams get things they need.. toronto gets an inside defensive presence and just like stated above, bargnani would move to power forward where he will do better.. memphis gets a pg that likes to pass the ball and can hit open threes, he will distirubte the ball nicely to the rest of the team...

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actually since clevelands

actually since clevelands center are so old maybe they should try to make a move, not sure what they would give. the cavs don't have any real assets that they would give up for thabeet.

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You havn't seen Thabeet or

You havn't seen Thabeet or oden play much?

While perkins and thabeet may have similar PER, they have nothing else in common, I'm not sure why you keep comparing them...

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Oden I saw him play against the Lakers a couple times and I seen the USA camp highlights. I dont watch ball as much as the typical fan

Perkins is putting up 14 and 7 off of hustle plays, playing with a good pg (internal passing) and maybe pick and roll.

I said I could see Thabeet doing that but I guess he is such a big liability on defense

and I guess if u guys want to lambaste him go ahead, disregard my previous posts then. But I think he can improve.

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Perkins is averaging 10 and

Perkins is averaging 10 and 7...and while he wasn't the dominant Boston had in their championship run, they did have one in Garnett...Come to think of it, I can't think of a team in the last decade who didn't win a ship without one, but that's besides the point.

Oden could only average 24 minutes a game this year because of foul trouble, it's hard to have an impact on your team when you can only play half the game. Thabeet will fall into that same category until he stops trying to block every shot. Not trying to knock on him too hard, but he's got a long way to go until he can be a productive and reliable center in this league.

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PER is ridiculous inflated

PER is ridiculous inflated for shot-blockers who play limited minutes. Saer Sene had a couple seasons with his PER around 30.

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Thabeeet has improved a lot

Thabeeet has improved a lot this season. He will be a dominant shot blocker in this league if nothing else, but he hasn't maxed out his potential 65 or so games into his career. He got a lot of negative press for being dropped to he D-league as the #2 pick, but he tore it up there and has played much better during Marc Gasols injury. In a win over Sacremento last week he had 10 points 7 rebounds and 3 blocks on 4-5 shooting and he has put up multiple games of that caliber playing in releif of Gasol. He will take time to develop, but in March he averaged 5 points 5 rebounds and 1.7 blocks per game, thats pretty good for a backup center, and although he isn't ready to be a full time starter right now, he has value as a backup center who can block shots and who still has a great deal of potential and no history with injuries.

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Honestly though Duncan and Garnett proved you dont need an all-star center to win the championship, it doesnt hurt but

size what matters a lot imo

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