Looking Back: OJ Mayo for Kev Love
Minny is stuck with Jefferson, making their 2 best big men undersized pfs and they still have a huge hole at the 2, which could only get filled if they get lucky on lottery day. Looking back I don't know how anyone could think this was smart for them...
The smartest thing a &$#%#&@! GM can do is stick with the picks he makes. If he trades the pick and that guy turns out to be a star like Roy, then you really really f'd up. If you just draft a bust then your just a horrible GM, but if you make a trade like Roy for Foye then you will be ran out of town.
The smartest thing a &$#%#&@! GM can do is stick with the picks he makes. If he trades the pick and that guy turns out to be a star like Roy, then you really really f'd up. If you just draft a bust then your just a horrible GM, but if you make a trade like Roy for Foye then you will be ran out of town.
The smartest thing a &$#%#&@! GM can do is stick with the picks he makes. If he trades the pick and that guy turns out to be a star like Roy, then you really really f'd up. If you just draft a bust then your just a horrible GM, but if you make a trade like Roy for Foye then you will be ran out of town.
Is one of the most under rated player in the nba. Sure he plays on a crapy team but no one rebounds better in the nba. I don't care for OJ but i don't think he is bad.
I don't think this is a bad argument cause i think there both great but i do personally favor Love
i think mayo would be around 22-25 ppg right now if he wasn't traded. Ryan Hollins would be getting more PT but they still wouldn't be good at center.
As for love i think he would be doing about the same as he is but his offence would be more jumpers than post ups because of marc gasol.
Minny took this on the chin a little bit.
im not saying it was good for the wolves. But not nearly as bad as you guys seem to think. Love is great for the triangle offense. And miller was not the answer, that is why he is gone so you have to look at it like miller helped in getting rubio. If rubio turns into a stud, this trade seems much better for minnesota.
I wouldn't do that trade if I'm Minny. When you look at it, O.J. Mayo is a top 2 option on any given team, and he has all-star type potential at some point in his career. Kevin Love, while solid, will never boast those two characteristics.
top3 SG? after 3yrs or in 3 years either way
RK EWA
1 Dwyane Wade, MIA 21.8
3 Brandon Roy, POR 12.5
4 Joe Johnson, 11.6
6 Andre Iguodala,10.0
al these guys are ranked ahead of him in terms of contributions to his team, I think for matchup purposes Mayo would be better suited at the 1 spot.
u might say he probably cant guard PGs but they probably cant guard him either
"Looking at these stats I think Love has the slight edge over Mayo."
"Personally, I feel this was a solid trade for both teams. Pending on what Minny's plans are for Jefferson in the future, I think more people will come to see that this was not as big of a mistake as some make it out to be."
No. One team has made no strides towards respectability, and the other is 38-35. O.J. Mayo was a better prospect, he is an infinitely more valuable player now, and will be a much more important cog to a winning team in the future. Kevin Love was never a guy who would live up to that trade, but he has only made it worse by putting back on the weight he lost prior to the draft and whining about the triangle and coaching in Minnesota. For all the diva questions that surrounded Mayo prior to the draft, he has been accepting of a role where he is the third option and taking on a greater defensive role. The trade is made worse because it pushed Jefferson out of position. It only took a year and a half to figure out those two were a defensive train wreck together, and now they are going to be dealing Jefferson or Love for a wing that will likely be nowhere near as talented as Mayo.
i dont think love gets the respect he deserves though. he has the talent to put up the same numbers and more that hortford does. hes a very very good rebounder and can score. hes one of those guys who fans wont appreciate untill hes playing on a good team
not ture.. most guys arent great defenders or even pretty good defenders. fans overrate defense thinking a guy cant play or start because there defendes isnt that good but the nba is full of average players and stars who's defense isnt that good. he can score and rebound just as well or better then horford and would get more appreciated if he was on a good team
as a starter last year he pretty much didnt give up alot as far as defense. the guys he checked didnt go way over there averages. some got there average others didnt
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Scoring.jsp?league=00&season=22008&... Minnesota
^as a starter last year he pretty much didnt give up alot as far as defense. the guys he checked didnt go way over there averages. some got there average others didnt.^
Has it ever occured to you that the person Love is guarding passed the ball after the double team came and got an assist.
Love is a top player but he gives up a lot of length to players anybody with two eyeballs can see that.
He might get his share of rebounds but not blocked shots.
He is not a good defensive player, one day he might be a great offensive player
but you can say that about a lot of players with "potential" like Carl Landry, or Derrick Favors.
Its funny how you always say a guy isnt this or that and
he shouldnt play this position or that.
When your team (the Lakers) are loaded with size and talent. Other teams have to adjust to size and skill disadvantages accordingly.
the Lakers just got beat by the Hornets who used a Chris Paul and Collison lineup to beat a Kobe Bryant team, the Lakers can be beaten and I'm just telling people how to maximize size and talent in lineups.
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Kevin Love is one of the most efficient offensive players in the game, Problem is Al Jefferson is better in terms of value added to the team in terms of getting to the foul line.
which is how you nullify a size advantage, drawing fouls from the taller player and sending them to the bench, slashing to the rim, generally being more aggressive than the other team.
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Timberwolves need a swingman like Gerald Wallace or Andre Iguodala in my opinion
umm no it hasnt occured to me but i also looked up 82.com site and thats not the case on top of watching love play last year. minny didnt double alot and his man didnt rack up ast nor did they get above there average...nice try though
and its funny how you always say what a team needs or would be better if they did this or that and yet you arent a team owner nor does the team ever do it...thats gotta tell you something if guys who do this for a living and yet never consider doing what you suggest
When we (minnesota t-wolves) found out we had the third pick, I called the local radio sports show. While everyone that called in wanted to go Mayo, I told them we should go Lopez. I thought it would be a great fit for us since we already had to many shorted gaurds. Also Lopez would allow Jefferson to move to the PF position. I also didn't see Mayo wanting to stay in a small market like ours. As far as Love, I was highly disappointed in the pick, even though he is playing better than I expected, I don't understand when your best player is a PF why draft another undersized PF that high.
and its funny how you always say what a team needs or would be better if they did this or that and yet you arent a team owner nor does the team ever do it...thats gotta tell you something if guys who do this for a living and yet never consider doing what you suggest
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1) Lebron can play the PG but doesnt bcuz his best shooters are to short to defend the wings...Check
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/02/04/cavs.gibson.ap/index.html
2) NBA is full of roster imbalances....Check
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/884/20100326/title_conte...
3) and Check
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=982981
4) Lakers skill and size is an advantage...Check
http://www.foxsportsohio.com/pages/landing?The-Curious-Case-of-Boobie-Gi...
5) Smart People realize that there are no positions in basketball
Athletic "Power Fowards" can guard most twos and threes...Check
Riley Starts 6'9 Power Forward James Worthy at the Two-Guard
http://lexnihilnovi.blogspot.com/2010/03/riley-starts-james-worthy-at-tw...
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Smart People realize that there are no positions in basketball. I cant find the Larry Brown quote but here's Pat Riley said about it,
"Ï'd like to have a lineup of five 6-foot-9 guys, with Magic Johnson and James Worthy at the nucleus,"
Riley said "there would be no positions just five guys rotating on defense, passing, running, and scoring. " "This teams biggest asset is our versatility I like to be able to do different things."
QUNCEY: You are not a basketball coach or a point guard/coach on the floor, stop patronizing me and questioning every post I make
What is it about your game that's so hard to stop?
Chauncey Billups: My size and my strength. I'm not the fastest player, but you can't really play up on me because my handles are good enough where I can get around you. But you can't play off of me because I can shoot. And if smaller guys try to defend me, I'll back them down, I'm a good post player. It's tough.
Small Forward and shooting guard = are Interchangeable
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/24/sports/la-spw-lakers-mavericks25...
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"To have long term success as a coach or in any position of leadership, you have to be obsessed in some way."
I always prove you wrong you're just too EGOTISTICAL to admit that a 19 year old knows more about
basketball mismatches than you do.
Well get over it, or agree to disagree with all the evidence that I have proven that other people think like I do and I think people on this website will soon realize you just parrot other peoples information.
Thought I'd take a look back at the big trade from the draft 2 years ago.
Here's there stats to start off...
Love 28.7 MPG 14.4 PPG 10.7 RPG 2.3 APG 0.7 SPG 0.4 BPG .454 FG% .375 3P%
Mayo 38.5 MPG 17.7 PPG 3.8 RPG 3.1 APG 1.3 SPG 0.2 BPG .458 FG % .381 3P%
Looking at these stats I think Love has the slight edge over Mayo. He may be averaging less PPG but he is also coming off the bench playing only 28.7 MPG v. 38.5. He averages a double double and tonight he went for 22 and 23. He's about as good of an outside threat as OJ (statistically).
Injuries have taken a bit of a toll on Loves career thus far but I think he will continue to improve and be a very good big man in the triangle offense.
So far it is a bit of a toss up as far as what Minny should of done. They need a SG and Mayo may have been that answer, but Love is a great fit for the new offense and solid big men are much harder to come by. He has the potential to easily be a 20 10 player.
For the Grizzlies, this trade was probably for the best. Zach Randolph has played very well and seems to fit the bill as far as what they want to have at the PF position. They also would be lacking at the 2 guard without OJ. Who knows what is going to happen with conley and talk has been OJ might be the answer at PG.
Personally, I feel this was a solid trade for both teams. Pending on what Minny's plans are for Jefferson in the future, I think more people will come to see that this was not as big of a mistake as some make it out to be.