"And yes I agree, height and strength are indeed part of having natural talent. But basketball is primarily a game of quickness and speed. So if I had to choose between height & strength versus quickness & speed, I would go with the latter."
That's where your wrong.
Actually basketball is a game of percentages, you see a high percentage shot, you take it. There's a high percentage he'll get to the rim you double team.
If you want a speed team look at
"Therefore, someone like John Wall, who is quicker than lightning, and extremely fast going end to end, should be classified as a great physical talent."
I never said John Wall wasnt a great physical talent you said his quickness is better than Magic's size at that position. I say its not.
Magic might not be as fast as John Wall going coast to coast but that's the beauty of Magic's size. He doesnt need to.
Magic percentage wise was Shaq at guard, he might not get there the fastest, but he WILL get there.
John Wall gets there the fastest, gets his shots up the fastest but he's hit or miss. But it is your opinion you take all-out speed over a
more deliberate, fastbreak then fine. But I think that as athletic as John Wall is I'll take the height and adequate speed over all-out speed and moderate height.
MetatronDaDon, you made some very good arguments in this thread but now you're going too far.
1. Please stop trying to put me in the position of comparing Magic with John Wall. Everyone knows Magic is the greatest PG of his generation. He was extremely smart and he had another advantage, he was a 6 ft. 9 inch PG with the body of a Power Forward. Players like that come along once in a generation. In addition, Magic has a career full of achievements while Wall is only a freshman starting on a long journey.
2. And please stop trying to get me to choose between height/strength and quickness/speed. I already agreed with you that height/strength is part of physical talent. And just because I said on balance, quickness/speed is more important than the former, that doesn't diminish the importance of height and strength. Why do you continue to belabor that point?
Let's get back to the point I was trying to make. John Wall is the most physically gifted PG I ever saw play college basketball. In addition to his lightning quickness and speed, he has great court vision, he's unselfish, and he's very smart. And just like Magic, he appears to be a leader.
If he wasn't playing with a squad full of future NBA players, Wall could and would score a lot more than 16 ppg.
Anyway, when you put all of those attributes together, you have a rare gem. IMHO, John Wall and Evan Turner are the only two players in this draft whom I think are "can't miss prospects". Will John Wall, who's only 19 years of age, reach that almost unlimited potential in the NBA? Nobody knows for sure, but his incredible talent makes him a high percentage draft choice. I for one would be shocked if he wasn't a star at the next level.
1) Magic was measured 6'7 without shoes at the 1992 olympics, he was around 220. He was built like a small forward, not a power forward. His intellect allowed him to cover more positions, take that for what it is.
2) John Wall is 6'4 "lightning" fast. Evan Turner is "bull" strong.
If they were in any other draft they would not be the best players in college basketball.
I am trying to put how good they are into perspective, no one knows how good a 20 year old freshman and a 22 year old junior will be their rookie season
but until the player proves that I'm right then I'm wrong.
MetatronDaDon, now you're changing the point of our discussion again. The topic revolved around my comment that John Wall was the most physically gifted college PG I ever saw. I already said nobody ever knows how good anyone will be in the pros. Come on MetatronDaDon, please don't make it sound like your telling us something new. Everyone knows that step up into the NBA always has an unknown element.
However, I did say both Wall and Turner are in my opinion, "can't miss draftees". Everyone else has a question mark next to their name. Last year the only players I put in the "can't miss" category were Blake Griffin and Tyreke Evans.
As for Magic's height, I don't know anything about his Olympic measurement but I watched him his entire career and when he was always listed at and definitely appeared to be a legitimate 6 ft 9. He was certainly the biggest PG I ever saw by far.
Magic weighed around 225-230 pounds when he played. That's why he could play 4 different positions. When he played in the 92 Olympics I believe that was after he had HIV and that may have reduced his weight.
y does it matter if it doesn't transfer to pro basketball, which i say it wont?
John Wall was more physically talented than Magic Johnson, in your opinion. I could respect that if you came right out and said that. which you never did.
now irdc either way, Wall's game will make him millions and his teams wins and losses will speak for themselves. maybe he is the greatest college pg ever.
agree to disgree, leave it at that.
MetatronDaDon, you're right, I didn't come out directly and say Wall is more talented physically than Magic. However, I implied such when I said, "John Wall was the most talented college PG I ever saw". Since I watched Magic play, by default he was included in that statement.
OK, I will agree to disagree. But in reality, you made a number of very good points in this thread and I actually agreed with most of them. And let add, you were a real challenge.
way to be a man!
better than quncey who is too egotistical to concede anything!
MetatronDaDon, you are a much more formidable opponent because you utilize logic and your thought process is rational. The other guy doesn't understand logic and he bases his arguments on emotion. In sum, he will never allow facts to get in the way of his position.