John Wall and Reggie Bush

lol...the candy man and kwame brow were also number one picks..jordan was a third pick...so whats youre point

durant's in year 3 !

Olowokandi was the #1 pick too, doesn't mean you are great, more about potential. Turner swept all of the player of the year awards

I don't think Tony makes alot of sense, but I do agree with what he's saying in general, John Wall will be a great player. Who has been this good before despite being so raw and not been a great player? That should show you just how good he is and will become.

and leading his team to the playoffs..... but since wall isnt in the nba we can only compare there college careers

wall-elite 8 first team all american
durant-sweet 16 1st team all american average double double player of the year
melo-second team all american national title

the only thing we know for sure is that wall MIGHT be a very good or great player. He still has to prove what he will be int he nba. the rest is just speculation

&& jordan drafted kwame brown. . . .

my point is this. . .yes. . .level of competition matters. . .but , if you're great than you're just great. . point blank period. . .

i never said that those two weren't great. . . i said that what wall was doing was impressive. . && you guys pointed out other freshman. . . .

D3Wade is it me or at what point did i compare Wall to Curry. All i said with the Curry situation was there is another situation where people said something and did not know what they were talking about and then switched from hating to liking a guy. I never said Curry and Wall are the same. I don't know how you have gotten this conclusion. I am thinking WTF because there is no way you should get that conclusion from what i wrote. We will see about him being terrible this coming draft. I feel confident that most of you who say he will not be good will be wrong.

thats what i'm saying. . . i can admit that sometimes i don't make much sense. . . (i never look over what i say before i post it). . . my fault. . . .but wall WILL BE GREAT

thats the only point i was making...you asked if there were other 19 year olds wholea there teams to wins and i listed some of them even though there are many more

yes i did ask that && you did answer it. . . but iggy summed up what i was trying to say best. . .Who else has been this good before despite being so raw? That should show you just how good he is and will become.

What tools does Wall have to be great? Explain please.. You keep saying he'll be great with nothing to back it up. Please explain.

if i've done anything. . .i've explained what i say. . . i may not always do a good job , but i do explain. .

i dont agree with himbeing as raw as some say..its not like favors in hs where he was alot bigger then most guys. i think hes less raw then many other freshmen pg who have came through college. its not like he isnt good. he has a very high basketball iq on offense. reads defenses pretty well and controls the flow

not saying he wont be great but hes no sure thing like ive said before....
hes not in that sure thing catagory like

shaq
duncan
lebron
were coming out he's in that

I can count dozens of quick players in the NBA. Do you know how many of them are stars? Almost none. And you know something else? Most of those quick players in the NBA.. HAVE A NICE JUMPSHOT. or if they don't, they can get to the rim and finish because of their body type.

Wall is too skinny. He's a good point guard, i won't say no, but so is Jennings.
What's the difference between Jennings and Wall? Both are quick, Jennings has a better shot. They are both GIFTED passers

the NBA is a copycat league; Scouts see a bigger version of Derrick Rose in Wall.

Using the football analogy:

He is a quarterback and a running back all in one, & the NBA is adapting to the wildcat offense! lol

1) IF anything Magic Johnson was Peyton Manning

2) These 2 are turnover prone but have mismatch potential:

*Evan Turner is Tim Tebow or maybe Vince Young if he's lucky lol (fullback running the ball)
and
*John Wall is Michael Vick (running back/quarter back)

He's pretty raw. He's nowhere near a finished product. He has no range on his shot, he relies on his speed and athleticism to do most of the things he's good at on the floor. The only thing in his game that's at an NBA level that doesn't rely on speed and athleticism is his mid-range game (although you do have to have the athleticism to create space to get shots off). He's not very polished at all, even as a playmaker.

EDIT:

What scouts see

Turner=game changing size
Wall=game changing speed

just saying...

i agree he has potential but if hes considered pretty raw then every other freshman has to be considered extremely raw.

bigger version of rose?..did a scout really say that?..he hasnt even been measured yet and size wise hes not bigger. rose was listed at 6'3-6'4 as well in college

....Most other freshmen are considered raw

true.. so that means him being raw isnt really that big of a deal because every freshman is considered raw

Yea it does. Wall is considered raw for an NBA prospect, where most freshmen are considered raw for college athletes and players.

all the freshmen other then cousins are considered raw as a nba prospect..bledsoe, hassen,etc

raw raw would be a pg who is just a pure athlete. no real skill but can just out jump and out run someone handles a lil shakey rondo type jumper. raw means you have 0-1 move..wall has many skill moves

He has many RAW "skill moves." I'm not going to argue that Wall is anywhere near a finish product, but he's not. Which would make him a raw prospect.

if thats the case thats all college players.. none are near finished products. youre not near a finished product untill youre near the end of youre prime. the players these guys are now arent gonna be the same player they are in 5 years

But Wall has the ability to be better. Who's to say that freshman will even play into there prime? Not every freshman will play pro ball or play even semi-pro. John Wall and Cousins have raw abilty as NBA prospects, while most freshmaen have raw ability as college players. There is a difference.

OH i know Wall has potential, i just don't see him as a "GREAT" player as that other kid does.. he's putting him on the list of great PGs.. he's going to be a good pg for this decade but nowhere near being great.. i think all the great players have ran out. LeBron was the last great player.

all; the players that will be int he nba are raw to. all the college players who will be in the nba are raw too. all players have the ability to get better...youre saying it like no other player other then wall has the ability to get better when the fact is they all do. thats why they are getting drafted because of what they can do now and there potential. no nba teams say " yeah this guy that we drafted is never gonna get better. this is as good as he's gonna get"

I'm ot saying that players can't get better at all. I've said over and over agin that freshmen are raw. You keep saying whatever you say. I don't understand what you are talking about. I said Wall being almost the best player in the nation despite being so raw should show how good he can be. I haven't said not one thing about nobody else getting better. I haven't even brought up anyboyd. That's you. I think you're just bored and trying to start a conversation.

not bored just making a point that hes not as raw as you claim he is. then again thats just you're opinion about him being so raw and i disagree.

No your not just saying he's not as raw as I think he is. You keep talking about all freshmen and DeMarcus Cousins and Whiteside and all those guys that play being raw and all kind of stuff that NOTHING to do with what I was talking about. I think your bored.