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I don't think he did a very

I don't think he did a very good job versus Kansas State after getting past the first defender off of the dribble. He could've pulled up for the short jumper, which he is very capable of making. Instead he took it all the way to the rim and got his shot blocked or altered.

I think these are all things that he'll learn and improve upon as time goes along. You don't have to be a great athlete to be successful in the NBA. It helps, but it's not like it's a pre-requisite. I think he has a very good skillset and fundamentals that can serve him well in the NBA if he improves upon them.

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How many starting 3s are

How many starting 3s are there on winning teams that you would consider to be anything but a great athlete?

How many are as mediocre athletically with as little bulk as Hayward? I don't see any. You are trying to cheer lead for a guy who is either going to play on a bad team or at best come off the bench in a lesser role on a good team.

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Where did you read that I

Where did you read that I thought he could be a starter? I've said all along that I think he can be a very good role player in the NBA. I've never said that he could be a star. I've also said that he needs another summer to get better and another season of college basketball.

You keep talking about his bulk like he's not going to get bigger in the NBA. I don't understand. He'll be 20-21 years old when he enters the league. He's going to get stronger just like any other player who dedicates himself in the weight room. His body won't even look the same in two or three seasons. You sound like somebody who's sipping on a dark flavored haterade.

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"I think he'll be better

"I think he'll be better than Mike Dunleavy Jr."

Your words. Somehow you want to make the claim that he is a better Mike Dunleavy, project him to go in the teens, and argue against a Matt Carroll comparison despite you didn't know who Matt Carroll was. Yet, me asking a fair question of your beliefs is "sipping on a dark flavored haterade." Nice.

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I haven't kept up with

I haven't kept up with Carroll in the NBA, but I did in college and he didn't handle the ball at Notre Dame. Not nearly as much as Hayward does for Butler. Of course there was the Chris Thomas factor, which I gave you credit for bringing up. Still... I thought we were talking about what each player did in college and then you bring up what Carroll did in Charlotte almost 3-4 seasons after his college career ended.

I don't think it's out of the question that he can eventually end up being better than Dunleavy. Dunleavy has been in Indiana for three seasons and I haven't been all that impressed. He's had what? One above average season as a starter? I don't think he ever should've been a starter and he's not starting now even though he's been healthy.

My problem is that you act like he's a college senior and already a finished product. Like he can't or won't get better. I disagree with you.

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