Real Comparisons. . .
idgaf whatchu say. . these are MY beliefs ------&& let it be known that everyone said that i had some crazy comparisons last year but everyone of them were true (jennings, evans, curry succeeding)
wall - dwyane wade(faster than wade, better passer, more potential as a defender--he's gonna put up like 30,5,10 with 4 stocks by like his 6th or 7th year)
turner - bigger oscar robertson (just as athletic,stronger,probably more aggressive, he's gonna put up 25,7,7 with 3 stocks by his 7th year)
wesley johnson - danny granger (exact clone of granger,maybe a better defender, 20,8,3, 4 stocks by 7th year)
favors - dwight howard (exact clone of dwight when he was coming out--at this stage they're both athletes that can REALLY refine their skills, 19,12, with 3 blocks)
cousins - young shaq with a face up game (only difference is that cousins can survive out on the perimeter, 25,13,3 with 3 blocks)
bledsoe - derrick rose (with 3 point range, 21,4,5, with 2 stocks)
whiteside - could be kg or dwight, could be thabeet*boom or bust (anywhere from 5,9,with 3 blocks to 23,12,4,with 3 blocks)
ebanks - what everyone thought rudy gay was going to be (22,8,3, 4 stocks)
Dude......You are DRASTICALLY overrating these guys man. Prepare to be let down if you think these guys will have stats that good man. I'm all for bold predictions but there won't be 10 H.OFer's in this draft. And those, my friend, are numbers that get you to the Hall.
I know you don't care but most of that is unlikely.
None of these players will reach the numbers you set up for them.
DUDE........ I'm not your friend...... && cousins, turner, && wall will all be special... (favors could be).........
so i'm not drastically over rating them............
&& since you && everyone else has something to say about my comparisons..why not tell me your comparisons?
wall , cousins , turner can't reach those numbers ?
kill yourself .
Most of them are good, I just dont think Favors has the strength to be like Dwight Howard, Tyrus Thomas is a better comparision.
Favors is way stronger than Thomas ever was/is and he's only 18. He's going to be a beast in the paint by the time he's 21-22.
Bledsoe is Derrick Rose except better???
these comparisons are based off of who they're similar to . . . there's no one at the pg position that has that athletic ability but rose or wall. . . && bledsoe can shoot (really well). . . . so there for. . . derrick rose with 3 point range...
PROBLEM? give me your comparisons before you bash mine
Yeah hes stronger than Thomas but do you realize how strong Howard is?
why are any of you suprised?..he always overrates players. didnt you just make the same fourm yesterday?..why didn you just continue in that one?
chill my man.....that's why I asked you....
my personal comparison is Russell Westbrook but that seems to get nothin but hate around here too....
Wall is very talented but 30 and 10? If Wall averaged those kind of numbers he would be the best point guard OF ALL TIME! Turner is not more athletic or stronger than the Big O. The numbers you are projecting for Turner are in Lebron territory. It just won't happen. You are seriously overrating rebounds, too. It is not easy in the NBA to average 8 rebounds per game so what makes you think that if Hassan Whiteside is a bust he will average 9? Cousins is good but a Shaq comparison is way out of line... Shaq is a once in a lifetime kind of player who was the most dominant big man since Wilt Chamberlain- something Cousins simply will not be.
Worst Case- Rajon Rando
Best Case Dwayne Wade
Worst Case- Monta Ellis
Best Case- Brandon Roy-Dwayne Wade
Worst Case- Mario Chalmers
Best Case- Chauncey Billups
Worst Case- L MBah a Moute
Best Case- Rudy Gay
i kinda do agree with that russell westbrook comparison..........
whose to say wall won't be the best. .. .
how do you know whose stronger? big o did that stuff in the 50's && 60's when he was the second or 3rd tallest guy on the court. . . turner's doing it against guys that are at least 6'9 or taller. . . big o couldn't play today. . . he's great but he's not untouchable. . he averaged 6 seasons of triple doubles , in a league of 6'6 centers. . . he would never be able to do that today. . . .&& according to a forum posted by metatrondadon--an nba scout had this to say about turner. . .
"But the other side of it is that you could put him at the point and, if he refines his skills, you could wind up with a guy who is bigger and tougher than Brandon Roy -- like Brandon Roy on steroids, a beast. Now, part of Roy's beauty is that he never tries to do what he can't do, he plays within himself and he's a smart player. This kid is like Roy unleashed, so watch out because he plays on emotion and he can be his own worst enemy. No matter what, he's not going to slip far because of all that talent."
The other two scouts fully endorse Turner as a top pick. "He's a point guard in our league, or a point-forward.
He has the ball in his hands for Ohio State 90 percent of the time. He's strong, he can really, really pass, he's a great rebounder and he's tough.
He's not a great shooter, but he can score 20 a night on tip-ins and mid-range jump shots.
Why shoot threes if no one is able to stop him from 15 feet and in? If he works at it -- and everything I'm told is that he has a great work ethic -- he can learn to make enough threes and become a great player. He's a monster."
ellis && wade play nothing alike && turner plays nothing like them.....
bledsoe is more athletic than both chalmers && billups....
i agree with the ebanks comparison
sorry but worst case is lower then some of ya'll put. worst case is some one who ends up a bust which is what anyone can possibly end up. walls worst case is lower then rondo. thats reality no matter how much you like him. the chances of him being a bust are alot lower then others but his worst case isnt a all around allstar point guard. if that was a worst case he would be a lock to be number one and a hall of fame lock
Well i really couldn't think of a Worst Case comparision for Turner, they are offensively very similar they have great spin moves, a good mid range game, though Turner is the better passer i think if Turner become a ballhog he could become like him.
Bledsoe is more athletic but these are the two best comparison i can come up Bledsoes two strengths are defense, and shooting, and thats Chalmers for you but hes proved hes a good point guard when Walls out and could develop into Billups i think.
bledsoe didnt prove he was a good point guard he proved hes a good scoing guard. and the game wall was out was againt who?..middle something tech university. bledsoe hasnt shown hes a good pg or averge pg yet. hes shown he can score and play defendse though. hes shown the team doesnt function that well when hes the pg and wall is on the bench and has shown he will turn the ball over just as likely as get a assist. i like the chalmers comparision except chalmers proved in college that he was a good pg. bledsoe has proven hes a undersized shooting guard and that he can score on a team with 3 opther lotto picks and a dribble drive opffense made for guards to score
John Wall- Derrick Rose, plain and simple, it is the player he will probably be most like in the NBA except I think he is a better passer because he has better court vision.
Evan Turner- Brandon Roy, good all around player just like Roy and nothing too flashy.
Wesley Johnson- Shawn Marion, not quite the defender that Marion is, but with his athleticism and length he has a decent shot to do so.
Derrick Favors- He is a ways off now, but when it is all said and done, I think he will be a player like Shareef Abdur-Rahim. He has the same kind of fluidity and I think he has the touch to have a nice little perimeter game also.
Eric Bledsoe- I will have to watch him another year, but right now he reminds me of Rodrigue Beabois, though I don't think Bledsoe has as much potential.
Well the thing Is Chalmers played at Kansas for three years so he had time to develop his skills. I do think hes not a true point guard yet but hes shown he can play it, to this day Chalmers is more of a combo guard anyway.
favors-Shareef Abdur-Rahim wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off.. rahim could play the 3 or the 4. was a much better scorer and a better rebounder and much bettert post moves. favors is more like chris wilcox
Chris Wilcox? No...Favors can be just as good as a rebounder as Shareef. Not the scorer that he was though. I agree.
which is why i think bledsoe should come back.. given the time at the point imsure he can learn to be a true pg. chalmers is a pg. not a starter in my opinion but a back up.
Always overrate stuff. Turner won't be B-Roy on steroids.
Had a career average of 7.5 rpg how can you tell me what Shareef was a way better rebounder when he only had one double digit rebounding season? Favors is gonna be a 9-11 rpg type of guy in like 2 years.
That is why I said in my post the comparison right now was way off.... i think that is the kind of player that Favors could develop into though..
i think he can develope into wilcox.. definatly not rahaim. he has no sf skills. if you have sf skills you already developed it before getting to college. he has no handles or a jumper to speak of. now someone like a.randolph makes more sense because he at least has some handles. i dont know any player he goes from being a center/pf with no handles to being able to play sf. beasley comes to mind but he hand some hanldes and a jumper
I'm not talking about him being the type of player that Rahim was. I'm saying he could be as good. And from a rebounding and defensive perspective...He could easily be. Like I've said, he's gonna be a pf version of Al Horford (Horford playing the 4 is beast) and I see no reason why he couldn't be as good. And Quincey, Chris Wilcox is trash sorry I know you a Maryland fan, but lets be real Wilcox b-ball IQ is 0. He had 2-3 solid years now what's he doing?
i agree with da1pot comparisons
if those was players best case then I agree
I'm not giving my comparisons because I've done this way too many times...Just know your stats and comparisons aren't going to happen.
I love the comparison of Favors to Derrick Coleman when he was a freshman at Syracuse....
yeah in the nba wilcox hasnt done alot.. yet another big man who was athletic but raw on offense in college..ala favors. theres game sin college are very very similar. i dont see favors every being as good as abdul... maybe just maybe hortford. but i cant remember the last time a big man in college thatis raw on offense ever became a force on offense-20ppg scorer
yeah who ever said derrick coleman obviously didnt watch coleman as a freshman. coleman had post moves and could hit the mid range and put it on the floor. favors cant do any of that. one move and thats the turn towards the basket and use his length. no up and under no reverse piviot
Offensively, Favors is fairly limited as a shot-creator in the half-court, showing raw footwork and little in the ways of a go-to move, struggling to finish with his left hand and being fairly turnover prone when forced to put the ball on the floor.
Due to the situation he’s in, he’s been forced to create too much of his offense by himself this year, which is not something he’s comfortable doing at this point in time. He has good touch around the basket and a very nice looking jump-hook shot, but still hasn’t grown into his outstanding frame quite enough to establish deep position in the paint and finish as well as his terrific athleticism indicates he should. Getting stronger down the road should be able to help him improve his post-game considerably, as it will allow him to set up shop much closer to the basket than he’s often able to at the moment. -de
had to take a page from youre book iggy because they are pretty accurate on most of there reports
I never watched Coleman in college so I'll shut up now lol....
Dude...It's not about now. It's about the future. Yes, he is raw, but not as raw as you think. You make it sound like he can't develop into an offensive threat. That is a bunch of BS. Yesterday were you saying that Avery Bradley could develop into a pg? Yet you had no evidence to support that. So why can't you think for a second that Favors can't turn into a good scorer? I just find that hard to believe. And, btw every day you find a different comparison for the guy. Like i've said, he's gonna be a great player. According to you, offense means everything because you forget that he's going to be a great defensive player and a great rebounder/shot blocker. The offense comes with time. I'd expect someone like you to know that.
everyday one of you say something that i don't agree with. . .
but i dont bash you. . . its not about now its about the future. . what they'll be at their best. . . john wall will be a great player because he can take control of the optimum moments in the game. . .
thats why i said their 7th seasons. . . their prime. . . their absolute best. . . i'm not saying that i'm 100% sure it will happen, but its in play. . .
Understand what you're saying. But some of your comparisons are just toooooo high. Wall averaging 30 and 10? LeBron doesn't even do that and Wall will NEVER be LeBron (sorry Mike). I agree with a couple guys though...Like Favors.
&& you're entitled to your opinion . you don't have to agree . gunna stop with my forums now that i see they're so unliked.....its a mirror of my thoughts,and obviously my thoughts arent welcome . sorry
Your thoughts are welcome lol...I didn't give you any thumbs down. I'm just saying be a little more realistic with some players. That's all!
want a tissue dude?????
he is good and has a chance to be a superstar some day....but I scoff at the fact that he is better than Cousins....its not even close....
naw. . ioun wanna tissue. . .
this is why its a FORUM....you post a topic and then people DISCUSS it.........I'm tryin to give constructive criticism....if you don't care about our thoughts then stop posting comparisons that suck....or don't post at all....
These are my comparisons...
John Wall - Derrick Rose
Evan Turner - Brandon Roy
Wesley Johnson - Shawn Marion
Derrick Favors - Antonio McDyess in Prime
Demarcus Cousins - Taller Al Jefferson
Eric Bledsoe - Kyle Lowry
Hassan Whiteside - Marcus Camby
Devin Ebanks - Rudy Gay
man. . just chill wit all dat. .
probably the most mentally challenged post i've read
Other than athleticism, I don't see any similarities between Ebanks and Gay. Gay had an all around great skill set at UCONN.