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Baylor v. St.Mary's = Samhan who??

It's all Baylor. They are up by 17 right now. Baylor's 2-3 zone is killing them. Baylor's guards are killing them. Samhan is bothered very much by Baylor's length and the zone.

LaceDarius Dunn has one of the ugliest and slowest looking shots ever, but boy is it effective. Even with a hand in his face. He's also a surprising decent athlete.

Tweety Carter, a sleeper IMO, is also killing.


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theres a kid for st marys

theres a kid for st marys whos shot is even uglier. not sure who he is but i think hes a curley hair guard. this games is a beat down which is what i expected

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I said people should slow

I said people should slow down on samhan despite his great start to the tournament. But he is a good story and this one bad game, if it continues that way, doesn't mean he's a bust anymore then those good games proved he was an nba player.

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He's got a very athletic and

He's got a very athletic and long player on him in Udoh, and the robot that is Josh Lomers is even taking him out of his element. On both ends. Add in the zone, LaceDarius and Tweety's hot shooting and they are getting drug.

I think teams are going to be scared to draft him because he's struggling badly against NBA caliber size and athleticism. He's played good, but against Richmond and a big-man deprived Nova squad.

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everybody knows the scouting report on him, good post scorer, not a run and jump atlete but mobile

and scouts/fans wonder how effective he'll be in the NBA.

he has to lose weight adn get stronger and faster to be good in the NBAm in college it helps to be heavy and immovable but in the NBA u have to shed that extra weight to a certain extent.

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Gotta love LaceDarius Dunn.

Gotta love LaceDarius Dunn. I hope he gets drafted. His shot is great and he's very strong when he gets to the rim. I think Samhan can work more on his body to get more explosiveness and athleticism.

Quincey are you talking about number 4 Delladova having the ugly jumper, cause his shot is pretty gross looking

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lol yeah thats him..they

lol yeah thats him..they flipped to the game in the first half and i spit out my drink because he had just taken a shot and i think it was a airball

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on another note st marys

on another note st marys center seems to have picked it up-15 and 9

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He was 7-17 from the floor

He was 7-17 from the floor though, which is bad for a player that plays 5 feet from the basket every shot he takes. Got a bunch of garbage points with the game in hand in the 1st half.

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Lol delladova looks like a

Lol delladova looks like a nice prospect though. This kid is a 6'5" freshman who has pretty good vision, outstanding size, and a good feel for the game. Despite the funky jumper, he can shoot pretty well too. Maybe not this game but pretty good for the year.

On a side note, Whats up with the Aussies from st mary's. I think they have 6 or 7 on the team this year and they had patty mills last year. Talk about a recruiting pipeline, their coach has a whole country to himself

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I think the Australians come from a specific Australian academy,
where they just ball all day from what I hear?

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yeah i heard about it after

yeah i heard about it after the last game. they have a program at it for every sport most end up on the olympic teams

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Dellavadova has NBA

Dellavadova has NBA interest, and if he declared this year, he could go late-first round.

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Omar Samhan reminds me of

Omar Samhan reminds me of Jerome James. Thats my comparison.

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Jerome James parlayed three

Jerome James parlayed three quality playoff games into how many millions? Like 6.5 mill a year for 5 years. LOL.

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in one of those years ,a

in one of those years ,a contract year im sure, he was pretty damn good. after that he decided to retire without filing the paper work or not dressing up

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He played good in the

He played good in the playoffs that 1 year and got that big contract with the Knicks. And the rest, as they say, is history.

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He was never good. Except

He was never good. Except for one playoff run with the sonics. You are wrong.

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exactly that playoff series

exactly that playoff series was in one of those years if im not mistaken. sorry but im right but thanks for playing...feel free to accept some parting gifts:)

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Tell me what year he was

Tell me what year he was damn good?

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so many players play well

so many players play well during that contract year then retire..lol..some of the older peopel might remember when ike austin did it. on another note he has a nephew who i saw in vegas who is very very good. only a soph i think. the first time i saw him during his freshman year he was very very bad. what a different a year makes with hard work huh

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Isaiah Austin. He's like 7'0

Isaiah Austin. He's like 7'0 195 or something silly like that lol. And he can shoot 3's and face up.

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yeah. not consitantly hit

yeah. not consitantly hit the three but can hit it sometimes. hes gonna be something if he keeps developing

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He needs to develop

He needs to develop everything. And get bigger and stronger. He's wayyy too raw for college. He's got time though

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yeah hes still young so

yeah hes still young so getting bigger and stronger will come. yeah wouldnt think hes ready for college right now.

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A good playoffs does not

A good playoffs does not equal one damn good year.

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If a team drafts Samhan in

If a team drafts Samhan in the 2nd round and sends him oversees for a couple of years to trim up and learn to speed up everything he does in order to compete against competition that is head and shoulders more athletic than him, I think he can develop into a reasonable backup center. Right now, he is just too slow. Unless a team just wants a guy for practice, community events, and 6 fouls, he just isn't going to do anything.

I think Dunn is going to be the best pro from Baylor, and that is probably more an indictment of everyone else. Dunn can have a nice career spotting up in the corner waiting for a kick out, getting highlight reel dunks on run out opportunities, and guarding people. He isn't long enough or athletic enough to be some team's stopper, but he is athletic enough and willing enough to have coaches willing to put him out there. I think he'll have a reasonably long career.

Carter is going to struggle to separate himself from the hundreds of other sub-6 foot point guards out there. He is a nice player, and could make it, but it is still hard to find what he does that will make a GM look at him in a pack of really comparable free agent and draft eligible guards and choose him.

Udoh tries enough and is just smart enough so that he could hang around, but I don't grasp how he could merit a lottery or mid-first round pick. I just don't see how the draft could possibly be that thin.

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I think Udoh is going to be

I think Udoh is going to be a better pro than Dunn. Dunn is mostly a shooter in the NBA, but don't you have doubts about whether or not he gets his shots off in the NBA with his shooting mechanic? I do, even though I had doubts about his shot when I saw him play in HS too, and he's always been a good college shooter. I also think Anthony Jones is a BIG-TIME sleeper for Baylor in terms of NBA potential. He has good scoring potential and he's very much like Kevin Durant in his length, size, and athleticism. Needs some polish though.

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who does baylor return next

who does baylor return next year?

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EVERYBODY except Tweety

EVERYBODY except Tweety Carter, Josh Lomers and Ekpe Udoh (?)...I like them as a Final 4 favorite if Udoh returns.

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He is quick enough to get it

He is quick enough to get it off from a kick out, and the form is consistent enough to make the Kevin Martin argument on his behalf. I look at him as the kind of wing that the Bucks have had. With Delfino and Bell, they aren't anything special but they can burn someone for forgetting where they are and they are willing to give a real effort defensively. It is a good formula for being able to find a niche. Not special, not a difference maker, but once the draft gets to a certain point it is all about who fits in. The only way I think he gets in trouble is if he catches on with a team who has a bad point guard, because all I would want him to do is wait in the corner, run the floor, and get after his man defensively. And I am confident he can do it. In a spot where he has to handle and create regularly could be troublesome.

Jones and Acy are way down the line, so I didn't really consider them. The athleticism is there, but they have some growing up to do.

Udoh is just too skinny to have much of an impact defensively, and I don't see where teams will respect his abilities offensively to actually pull a big man out of the paint to guard him. By simply going to the glass, a guy can have some success. The problem is that is easy to fix for an opponent by simply bringing in their energy big to go put a body on him when a shot goes up.

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Kevin Martin has an awkward

Kevin Martin has an awkward release, but it is quicker than LaceDarius Dunn's. Not to mention he's about 3 inches taller and has long arms.

Udoh is about 250 lbs, and he's seems to have a very big wingspan. He can face the basket or play with his back to the basket with good effectiveness both ways, and he's a presence on the glass. He has little downside and alot of upside, which makes him one of the better prospects in the draft class. At worst he's a good shot-blocker and rebounder who shoots is a standstill shooter from mid-range jumpers, and at best he is a matchup nightmare offensively facing the basket in triple threat and taking his man down low.

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I'm not saying he is Kevin

I'm not saying he is Kevin Martin, but that when a guy with an unconventional form builds up that resume for shooting with it one has to come around a bit. If a guy struggles to shoot and has bad form, I am all for questioning whether it will hurt him, but the NBA has always had guys who can stroke it despite it being funky looking. Would you rather I have mentioned Jamaal Wilkes?

As far as how quickly he gets his shot off, it is one of those great draft myths up there with Monroe's supposed lack of athleticism and the upside of big men built like a twig. I'm not putting Dunn as the primary option on a team in the Finals. I am looking at a team who will be picking between 20-60 that is looking to fill a niche. Ty Lawson's release will keep him from ever being that important to a team in the league, but it won't keep him from being in the league and doing some nice things. Lawson is still just blazing quick and that slow shot is able to get off because he isn't the primary focus of a defense. Are people doubting Lawson in the same way now as they were before the draft? I can't seem to find it if it is out there. What I am saying is that a superstar cannot have Dunn's makeup, but a rotation player who can explode for a big number when teams are sleeping on him can have those flaws which is why I think he'll hang around the league.

If you want to believe Udoh is 250 lbs. that is fine. I have no seen him on a scale, but I can see that there is a severe lack of lower body strength that is going to get him abused on the block. It is also going to impact his ability to get on the offensive glass, because of how a man putting a body on him will inhibit his movement to the rim. And I know that he will have to crash and not simply be at the rim, because any team that wants to bump him off the spot he wants to be can do so. As far as his offensive game, can you name another first round pick who has had a Southland Conference team devise a game plan to have him try to beat them. They went triangle and two on Carter and Dunn, and said we can match Udoh, Jones, Acy, and Lomers point for point. For 38 minutes, it was a great strategy. Now, if a low level D1 team doesn't feel they have to guard Udoh in the half court, do you really believe an NBA will mind when the ball goes into Udoh? The biggest problem the Bulls continue to face with Joakim Noah is that there is not a team in the NBA who does not view every possession where Noah touches the ball at 14-17 feet as a success. Udoh's shot has gotten better, but still isn't good. The length, maturity, and work ethic is a good sign for him sticking, but there is a lot that says he is not going to be anything special.

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