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USG rate
Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.
Usage Percentage ; the formula is
100 x (FGA + 0.44 x FTA + TOV) * (Tm MinutesPlayed / 5 players)) / (MP * (Tm FGA + 0.44 * Tm FTA + Tm TOV)).

Derrick Rose Usg%
24.7 on average or 25% of the offense goes through him
Chris Paul Usg%
24.5 or 25% of the offense goes through him
Brandon Roy Usg%
25.7 on average or 26% of the offense goes through him
Lebron James Usg%
31.9 or 32% of the offense goes through him

AST%
Brandon Roy
24.8 of his teammates
Derrick Rose
29.2 of his teammates field goals are a result of him assisting them
Lebron James
34% of his teammates field goals are a result of him assisting them
Chris Paul
47% of his teammates field goals are a result of him assisting them

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On Dec. 5, Turner fractured the second and third lumbar vertebra of his spine when he fell flat on his back following a failed dunk in transition. He returned a month later after missing only six games. "You can see he's a guy who enjoys playing," the scout continued. "His ability to improve his shooting will control his greatness. He's like Oscar Robertson. He can have that type of impact. Oscar wasn't a guy people worried about when he went behind the pick and launched the bomb -- you almost preferred him to do that -- and that's how it is with Turner."

I mentioned this high praise to another scout, who responded as the devil's advocate. "Evan Turner is the most interesting guy in the whole draft, because a lot of guys feel that way about him and really like him. And then there are a lot of guys who absolutely don't like him. I'm wrestling with it. The reason you wouldn't like him is because he can't play without the ball -- he's a turnover guy. He so dominates his team and I wonder what that's going to mean in the NBA. And then you see he's not a deep shooter. His game is based on strength and aggressiveness, he's a very skilled guy and he's in relentless attack mode from the opening tip. How is that going to work in the NBA if he's playing out of control? He's a guy who has had triple-doubles including turnovers.

"But the other side of it is that you could put him at the point and, if he refines his skills, you could wind up with a guy who is bigger and tougher than Brandon Roy -- like Brandon Roy on steroids, a beast. Now, part of Roy's beauty is that he never tries to do what he can't do, he plays within himself and he's a smart player. This kid is like Roy unleashed, so watch out because he plays on emotion and he can be his own worst enemy. No matter what, he's not going to slip far because of all that talent."

The other two scouts fully endorse Turner as a top pick. "He's a point guard in our league, or a point-forward. He has the ball in his hands for Ohio State 90 percent of the time. He's strong, he can really, really pass, he's a great rebounder and he's tough. He's not a great shooter, but he can score 20 a night on tip-ins and mid-range jump shots. Why shoot threes if no one is able to stop him from 15 feet and in? If he works at it -- and everything I'm told is that he has a great work ethic -- he can learn to make enough threes and become a great player. He's a monster."

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and none of that relates to

and none of that relates to turner since he isnt in the nba yet

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Ohio State

would have a good shot at going undefeated next year if Evan Turner comes back.....#1 recruiting class and I really don't think its close.....Sullinger is a for real bad mo fo!!!!!!!!!!

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my second to last post was to show that

Lebron runs his offense and gets gets his teammates open looks more than Derrick Rose who everybody says is the next great PG in the next couple years.

How this relates to Turner, scouts are saying that he will have the ball in his hands a lot (a high usg rate)

if you play him off the ball he is not a deep shooter and he does not play like Roy, bcuz Roy always plays in control.

Evan Turner has to play at full speed to be effective.

I dont think he can play a halfcourt game and be the consistent shooter that Roy is. When I first saw Roy it was in the NBA and his body control is uncanny.

I dont think Turner has that, I think hes a bad finisher, the times he misses his own shots and grabs the board, I dont think it will fly against a Lebron or an Artest or even Kobe guarding him,

And if the fast break breaks down he dissappears ffrom the game without the ball in his hands. I dont see it, Im predicting the team that drafts him goes right back to the lottery unless they get a big shot maker that he can play next to

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I could seriously see Wayne

I could seriously see Wayne Chism playing in the league....Great body control, good not great jump shoot and has a high basketball IQ. Plus he hustles and plays hella hard on D. I can see him being a mid second rounder.

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Evan Turner will rarely play

Evan Turner will rarely play PG in the NBA, other than in small spurts and possibly in crunch time if he's the team's desgnated big shot taker. Just watch. Don't expect Turner to be a starting PG in the NBA, or to defend the other team's PG.

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i liek chisim but there are

i liek chisim but there are plenty of guys his size and better game then him who have not made it in the nba.

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Chism isn't good enough at

Chism isn't good enough at anything in particular to make it. He'll be solid in Europe though

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"Don't expect Turner to be a

"Don't expect Turner to be a starting PG in the NBA, or to defend the other team's PG."

I said you could choose one or the other you cant be on the fence about it.

Fact is he I expect him to defend other shooting guards and I wonder how good his defense will be, average I think.

On offense scouts say he will have the ball even more than roy, the scouts say he is a point guard on offense.

If you play him off the ball his effect in the game is minimal, if you force him to shoot outside of 10 feet his effect is minimal.

He is Marquis Daniels with a higher usage rate, and even Marquis Daniels is more athletic than him, he can defend 1, 2s, and 3s.

I dont know where this "above average athleticism" is coming from, Turner has average athleticism if anything.

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what scouts have said

what scouts have said this?..whers the link to the scouts saying this?..not the people who run websites but actual nba scouts?

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@ qincey your right at the

@ qincey

your right at the PG like Roy not like Stockton or Magic

hes not a pass first guard, hes a slasher guard, and to me if your 6'7 you have to have some sort of inside game

If he becomes "the man" at one of these franchises, I dont see free agents coming running to play with him, the wa he dominates the ball.

I mean some teams need a passer with size but his upside is not "superstar", I think he'll be average

19ppg, 6 apg, 3 tovpg

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I just made a post about

I just made a post about it

they said he could be a bigger "better" version of roy, well Ill have to see it to believe it.

He'll play on the ball a lot http://www.nbadraft.net/node/19739

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i dont know any star in

i dont know any star in college basketball who plays guard who doesnt dominate the basketball. players adjust when they get to the nba because there are more players on there team who can score. im pretty sure hes smart enough to understand that. he doesnt come acorss as a guy that feels he needs to have the ball 24/7. guess who can rack up ast seem to be ok with not having the ball all the time on the next level

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I see what yall sayin about

I see what yall sayin about Chism...it probably will take him acouple years to get in the league then again i could see a team like GSW takin a chance on him thats is if nelson is still there

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