Jrue Holiday or Rodrigue Beaubois?
Which of these guys will be better long term? To me it seems like Beaubois has more natural talent. He's super athletic with a huge wingspan and great speed. Beaubois also seems to be a natural scorer. Holiday also looks like he'll be good. Which would rather have if you were starting a team?
I would take Holiday personally. Roddy might be the better player but I love Holiday's length, defense and he's still learning that PG position
I honestly have not seen enough of beaubois to give an unbiased answer on this one. But Holiday can be an all-star in this league. His defense is great and he has been hitting over 40% on threes.
iggy, im not trying to get in another back and forth on this one, but has holiday not been impressive to you recently? I've been watching a lot of sixer games, and he is playing about as well as anyone on that team.
i still say delonte west at his best as far as holiday. and his defense just sint were alot of people claim. to be considered a great defender that means you are keeping guys you check under there average and or cause them to shoot bad. he hasnt doen that since he's started. granted i havent watched all of his games but the ones i have his man doesnt struggle scoring on him. keyon dooling had no problems scoring when i watched them play the nets
He has been playing good lately. Probably the best out of anyone on the 76ers. I agree. I think Delonte West is a perfect comparison. If you think Toney Douglas can be a starting PG, then you should feel the same way about Holiday and vice versa.
No comarison...this guy is the french Monta Ellis, I know he is from the islands but a french speaking island.
Holiday is delonte west....those highschool highlights sure fooled me, I thought he would be baron davis without hops in highschool what a rude awakening I got. Solid player though, his brother may have the better upside.
i'll bite my tounge this time since you guys already know how i feel.
Justin has more upside then Jrue? Please
Justin Holiday from Washington? If so, no. He's not even a legit prospect.
Justin would be lucky to play himself into the second round next year. He is 6-6 and has a long wingspan, defends and can knock down open jumpers. But he is also a junior i beleive and has zero handles.
I remember him from yesterday when he got the 2 breakways, and did the exact same dunk both times lol. He did seem to have a pretty big wingspan.
I would take Beaubois, he has a lot of highlight plays for a point guard (threes and dunks) and if i'm in the position to have my own team i want people in the stadium to watch. i don't know about you but me and about a million 76ers fans won't show up for jrue holiday.
Rod but i'm biased....
Tuesday night, dirk ejected, mavs in trouble(like recently) at the end of the 3rd QT, commentators says "we need energy, it might happen with him", first appearance of the game, 5 secs on the court, bang, hit a trey, then a lay up, and his classic alley hoop with kidd at the beginning of the 4th, 7 str8 points....
After 9 mins on the court, from -4 to +18...with him.
He always delivers when he has some PT(in terry's absence, no comment)....in a winning team...plus with no need of scoring(the team leading scorer is not a 17 PPG), the guy just find a way to scores, 6,6 pts in just 12 mins, see right now what i saw in summer league beetween him and Jennings.
Shame on u Mr Carlisle, the kid deserves more.
Holiday showing some signs too(saw him against the raptors, he was impressive), he's younger, different skill set, but like u said, in the actual nba, speed, athleticism, wingspan and scoring abilties don't lie, he was nothing really spectacular in france, but i was sure he'll translate well.
Since the start he was my pick for the lakers at the end of the 1st round, because of fisher-farmar, because they have troubles against jet quicks PG, because kobe-artest-odom-gasol make plays, was their starting PG in 2010-2011 in my opinion.
jrue is also 2 1/2 years younger.
the younger thing is overrated to me( my opinion). they are both in the nba and they will both be working hard to get better. age come sinto play when one is 35 while the other is 33. or while one is finishing his prime while the other is a year or 2 from finishing his prime. before that time both will be getting pro trainers working with them and have the same chance to get better, become better shooters, quicker, stronger
I've seen both of these guys play. Obviously Holiday has gotten a lot more minutes this season and he has been impressive this last month, but I think if Beaubois was on the Sixers he would be doing even more than Holiday, Beaubois is on a really deep team though. I'm guessing Beaubois would be scoring around 18 a game for the last month if he were on the Sixers. I'm not really sure how to judge Beaubois's point guard instincts as he has rarely played point this season, so he may end up being a Barbosa type or he may end up like a Tony Parker type. When you watch Beaubois though he makes other point guards look slow and unathletic. He just looks like he'll be able to get to the rim whenever he wants in the future and finish well when he gets there. To go along with that he looks like a good shooter with a quick release. I think I read his wingspan was something like that of a 6'10" individual.
Your crazy playing basketball for a longer time makes a huge difference.
eventually it makes a huge different but how much of a difference does it make right now?..or next year or the year after when both players will be getting bigger stronger and better?
and birdzilla what happened last night?..butles non conference schedule was suppossed to have them getting beat by the cuse?
i see what quincey is saying and kind of agree. BUt when you are talking about a 19 year old who is rapidly playing against tougher comp and still figuring everything out, those 2 years come into play quite a bit.
so how about we have cousins get drafted over turner?
or favors over turner?..favors is 2 or 3 years younger then turner isnt he?
or favors over cousins since hes a year younger( i think) yeah age matters in the long run because that player will be around longer but wheres the difference int he short run?..holiday is younger than dwill but in the here and now and near future dont you still take dwill?
he's younger then steph curry but for the here and now and near and distant future dont you take curry?
see what im saying?..both will be getting better at the same time. both arent in there prime years so both will still be getting better possible at the same rate if they both work hard
well all we can do is wait i guess. But from watching holiday play, i think he should have gone top 10 in the draft. I felt that way at the time and i still feel that way. Now that he isgetting minutes, he is probably all ready better then delonte west.
I remember reading a John Hollinger article where he talked about not putting too much stock into young player's stats on teams with nothing to lose by playing them. Now while it is important to see that young player play well the last month it isn't the same thing as them playing well in January. Teams with nothing at stake at this point in the season are just looking to see what they have so they will let younger players play more than they normally would if they were trying to win. Does anyone else find this to be the case?
^^^Thank you. This happens every year. Holiday is playing the best of anyone on the 76ers right now, but it's garbage time for us now. And no, he isn't better than Delonte West right now.
holiday has been starting for like 2 months right? He is starting because he is the best pg on the sixers roster and he is getting over 30 minutes a game because he is earning them. In other cases, yes rookies get more pt at the end of the season, holiday is not one of those cases.
He's been starting for the last 2 months, but didn't play more than 30 minutes a night until about 10 games ago. He's not much better now than he was at the beginning of the year, he's just getting to play alot more minutes.
seems to me that he starts because
A- he doesnt really have to beat out anyone for the spot
B the sixers have been out of the playoff race for a lil whilenow and theres no point not playing youre rookie, get his feet wet
true, he is in a great position for minutes because his team sucks and there is little competition for the pg spot. But just because a rookie is given an opportunity, doesn't mean they always make the most of it. Holiday has been playing fine and has shown spurts where he has scored 8-10 points in a matter of minutes and taken over games for spurts. He is shooting over 50% from 3 in March and hes taking like 3-4 per game.
March stats: 13.7ppg.......5.1apg.......4.5rpg
Yea he's taken over games in short spurts this month that's for sure. He's going to have to get better as a playmaker though and put more pressure on the D. He's not a great slasher and he's mostly a mid-range guy and doesn't get to the line much. He's been averaging 5 assists a game, but also a little more than 3 TO's. He has shot the ball well though and is still a pretty tough defender.
Well I am a Mavs fan so there is a good chance I am homer and I don't know a lot about Jrue BUT:
Roddy has the chance to be the 1st Rookie ever to average 80%FT,50%FG.40%3pt
actually if it wasn't for a couple of disastrous shooting games he would have those stats and just have to keep them
there was a guy in dallasbasketball that got the measures of the workouts @ the quickness and he was the 3rd quickest in the NBA(who had those workouts) just after both Collison&Felton (so yes he makes most PG looks slow against him)
he Has an amazing 6'10 wingspan ,he is a good defender with potential to be great,he is an ok passer but makes some stupid turnover and he needs to raise his BB IQ more
currently a lot of mavs fans consider him as our x-factor and wants RC out because he don't play him(and worse play JJ Barea over him) in addition to some other things
when you become that successful&popular rookie in such a good team then I think he is just special
as I said i don't know about Jrue but as a mavs fan I am really happy with beaubois (only hate the spelling of his name lol)
Who is RC?
like i said at the begining, i have not seen enough of roddy to make a fair comparison between those two. But from what ive been hearing, dude should be somehitng special. The pg position from last years draft was DEEP.
the dallas guard is a helllll of a athlete
13 points, 11 assists, 7 steals tonight. Just saying...
not suprising for the end of the year.. yi just had 30 something points. you gonna see alot of guys putting up good numbers this time a year like every end of the year
He did good passing the ball and had a big game on D with the 7 steals, but if you watched he missed a bunch of shots. He was 4-12 from the field. Andre Iguodala had the big game. He had 25 pts, 10 rebs and 9 assists or vice versa. Glad we beat the Hawks though.
quincey, what does yi have to do with anything? Yi has been starting from day one and has been inconsistent all year. He is getting no more minutes or shot opportunities now then he did in novemeber or decemeber. The nets are still playing their starters major minutes because they already know they have the worst record and they want to avoid 9 wins. You bringing him up is irrelevant.
@HROT88 RC=Rick Carlisle
Well Beabois has been playing pro basketball for a long time you see why most foreign players dont improve as much is they have been playing in tough league forever, and this is Holidays first year in the pros, honestly Holidays playing slightly better now i do think Beaubois is good but hes not making the overall impact, and hes more developed i would take Holiday.
Beabois was playing in French second division most of his career ,so how exactly is it a tough league ?Dirk was playing in German second division and he struggled in his first year (and b4 any body ask I amn't saying he will be as good as Dirk)
not to mention that he has to deal with things like living in different country,being a PG that demands you to be more vocal while his English really sucks etc
btw enter any mavs forum and you will know if he is making an overall impact or no
the best way to know if hes making an impact isnt the fourms its watching his game. i went in some knick fourms and some though sergio was making a overall impact. cant really go by a fans point of view because most if not all are biased
hes a good player no doubt but they could win with or without him.. he doest impact the game as much as kidd,butler,dirk,haywood,terry,marion. maybe in the future he will
He playen in first division from the 2006 season on.
You have a point but I think the biased thing is more about a player in my team against players of other teams,mavs fan wants Beaubois over many other player mainly Barea,and in many times Terry and I think this means something
look some mavs fan thinks that he will be a superstar,Cuban said that there is 2 or 3 players in the league he would trade him for,sure most of this words isn't for real and I won't get carried away with them BUT on the other hand you can't deny the kids talent and impact in the game in a playoffs team(when he actually plays)
well ,you can forget about all of that and watch his games in March to know
he has a long way a head of him to be a true PG and first of them not to have foul trouble every game and he should raise his BBIQ and decision making but i think playing behind Kidd and Tony parker will help his development
over terry right now?..yea those fans are delusional if they think hes better then terry now or would pick him over terry right now
they wants him over Terry in some games when Terry decides not to hit a shot while staying a liability in the defense and then stays in court which kills the mavs
still makes no sense. thats liek me wanting farmar over kobe when hes not hitting his shots. ever player is gonna have games like that. that french kid has had alot more games when hes not hitting his shot then terry
what a sooprise.
Enters at the end of the 1st QT, mavs down by 5....
5 minutes later, mavs up by 13, he got 14(5/5).
Oops, 15 mins, 26 pts at HT, mavs up by...26.