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CBS Sports: Underdogs bring to light: Time to fight trite, white stereotypes

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CBS Sports: Underdogs bring to light: Time to fight trite, white stereotypes

good article i found on cbssports.com

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/13107211/underdogs-bring-to-light...

what do you guys think of it?


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IDK

how the rhetoric that small white basketball players was supposed to die in the 21st century???? To me it has gotten worse....

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I almost puke the way the

I almost puke the way the CBS announcers tried to frame the game that had a 5-seed Butler as somehow being the underdog to 12-seed UTEP. It was nothing short of disgusting when they wanted to call Butler a Cinderella.

The other thing that needs to be pointed out is that Ryan Wittman is the son of an NBA player/exec. He was highly recruited, but had the family that afforded him the opportunity to turn down D1 scholarships to play in the Ivy League. He wasn't some kid who couldn't play anywhere else. Jeff Foote was at St. Bonnies as a freshman. Cornell has talent, maybe not Kentucky-level (they can lose by 30 and still not be half bad) but they are not just a scrappy overachieving team. They have legit talent, and I think if people don't believe it now they will when Wittman and Foote play at Portsmouth. I think Wittman is probably going to get picked, and even if he doesn't will probably be in camp with someone.

I'm still not completely sold on St. Mary's. Richmond was just another mid-major and Villanova probably should have lost to Robert Morris, not to mention they lost 5 of 7 going into the tournament. I fully believe the Baylor-St. Mary's game could get ugly.

UNI is certainly catching Michigan State in a good spot without Lucas, but the Izzo Spartans rarely lose when they have a significant talent advantage. I'm pretty sure all the stars will not be aligned again where they pull off another upset.

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Wittman

yeah people are sleepin on him like he just sits out on the wing and guns.....he can get his own shot and he is def one person who is athletically anywhere near Kentucky.....I'm interested to see who guard's him.....I would toss Bledsoe on him...

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Wittman

yeah people are sleepin on him like he just sits out on the wing and guns.....he can get his own shot and he is def one person who is athletically anywhere near Kentucky.....I'm interested to see who guard's him.....I would toss Bledsoe on him...

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There are unathletic as far

There are unathletic as far as NBA type African Americans. Also i think they these team won because they played hard and also a lot of these teams never played these teams so you dont know the personel.
Also it is white people saying this about white people so the whole Kansas lost cause they saw a while bunch of white people is stupid because if they were thinking stereotypically they would not have let ole boy shoot because also part of the stereotype is that white players are the best perimeter shooters and it was a white guy to my knowledge that was there to make a defensive play on that dude that made that shot. Also Villanova before they played their first game, analyst were saying that they could easily lose and should not have been a number 2 seeded team. I believe their is some racial bias that goes on in sports and the world as well but let's not go overboard with this. A lot of basketball experts know of these teams and also no one really expected Kansas to lose but they did say beforehand that Northern Iowa had a team that could do it and they did. Dickie V was saying this before it happened. These school are not getting love because no one knows who they are and not cause they are white. Duke has a lot of white player on their team and they always seem to have a least 50 50 white black player and they alway seem to have like the best white mcdonald americans but they are expected to win so it is not a race thing.

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There are unathletic as far

There are unathletic as far as NBA type African Americans. Also i think they these team won because they played hard and also a lot of these teams never played these teams so you dont know the personel.
Also it is white people saying this about white people so the whole Kansas lost cause they saw a while bunch of white people is stupid because if they were thinking stereotypically they would not have let ole boy shoot because also part of the stereotype is that white players are the best perimeter shooters and it was a white guy to my knowledge that was there to make a defensive play on that dude that made that shot. Also Villanova before they played their first game, analyst were saying that they could easily lose and should not have been a number 2 seeded team. I believe their is some racial bias that goes on in sports and the world as well but let's not go overboard with this. A lot of basketball experts know of these teams and also no one really expected Kansas to lose but they did say beforehand that Northern Iowa had a team that could do it and they did. Dickie V was saying this before it happened. These school are not getting love because no one knows who they are and not cause they are white. Duke has a lot of white player on their team and they always seem to have a least 50 50 white black player and they alway seem to have like the best white mcdonald americans but they are expected to win so it is not a race thing.

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right

it is a stereotype that is out there and the %'s are what they are....I try my best not to bring race into the equation when it comes to evaluating players......a good example would be J.J. Redick....I disliked him as a prospect b/c he was slow not b/c he was white.....there are white guys like Bob Sura or Chase Budinger that are athletic guys that I couldn't say that about.....but to dismiss someone for being white could be a huge mistake....I know there are a few teams that are pretty mad they passed on Larry Bird to this day......

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Redick is not that slow now

Redick is not that slow now though, I think people overreacted to that and I like a lot of white player that could really play. I was not high on Morrison because i had no idea what position he could play and who he could guard. Budinger would have probably been a bust has got drafted lottery just like D Jordan. It was good they fell to the 2nd round. I think white guys that played well in college but dont make good NBA players hurt other white people. Luke Jackson anyone. Morrison. Brad Miller did not get drafted at all and he was center when teams needed center. That shocked me. Brian Cardinal got all that money and never played much after that because he was a hustle skill guy and once he became just another tough contract and got moved to a team that did not know where to play him. He would have done better getting a cheaper deal same with Jeffries because sometime your contract can hurt how people see you or if you are on a team that can utilize your strengths.

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Right

Redick has 2 moves.....gun and try to get fouls so he can shoot 95% free throws.....

but for all the times as people have not taken white dudes for the stereotypical reasons (Bird, Nash) there have been a thousand times teams have busted by choosing white over wheat.....I'm not even going to start naming them b/c I would be here all day.....

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j.j reddick has more moves

j.j reddick has more moves then that. he has a hesitation that isnt that bad and a one dribble pull up that isnt too bad either

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lol

one dribble pullup = gunning

I guess one thing he does have is some decent pump fakes.....it gets him to the line so that's a good thing I guess....

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one dribble pull up doesnt

one dribble pull up doesnt =gunning. have you ever played basketball?...thats a move just like a jab step or reverse pivot. its a move you use to catch the defender off guard. ..this is one reason im not big on many scouts because most havnt played basketball before other then ymca

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whatever

its not an effective move for JJ Redick b/c he's not catching anyone off guard.....what??? are they scared he's gonna blow by them or something????

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when was the last time you

when was the last time you seen him play? in 05?

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yeah im guessing the same

yeah im guessing the same thing gator. because if you have watched him you would know that he has more then just one move and hes actually gone past a couple of players with hesitations and pump fakes because they have to respect his jumper. when you can shoot you dont have to be real fast to drive past someone

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It was a good article,

It was a good article, though I gotta cut some slack to Mike Francesa. He was only commenting on what CBS's interviews were geared toward. he was making the point that the media is jumping all over the "Good Guy" Ivy League Cornell story. The genius that speak 5 languages vs. the athletes that struggle to get a qualifying score. The media is really playing the opposites card, the Big Red verses Big Blue, black vs. white, yada yada yada... The fact of the matter is that all these teams can play. I see Cornell as more of a threat than the other "Cinderella" white teams, N. Iowa and St. Mary's because I havent seen any team execute their gameplan better than Cornell. They are a well greased machine with a bigman that commands attention and 4 other starters that shoot 40% or better. Wittman's got a complete offensive repertoire and Dale is a steady leader. This is a very good college team than can compete with anyone. Ditto for the other two teams, but Cornell has more sticking power, in my humble opinion.

PS: I find it hilarious that Cornell is the opposite of early integrated NBA thinking. When black players first started playing in the NBA, it was thought that you needed a white point guard to direct the show. Now you have the Ivy League team with a black point guard, and all white finishers. I love something that flies in the face of stereotypes!

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Nash was drafted where he

Nash was drafted where he was because of a lot of the things Nash is terrible at to this day. He was really not drafted that late for someone that did not come right in and start which he couldn't have but we are about to see the NBA like it used to be where a team has like made point guard and drafts someone and lets them learn for a few years like they did with Nash and others back in the day. Nowadays people want to play right away and they can't you have to wait some. Nash, Kobe, T Mac, and many other that are All Stars now had to wait their turn.

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