LMAO, What were the Knicks & D'Antoni thinking!??!
This Kid can flat out Play! He rebounds Great for a Rookie. He has some Post Moves and he tries to challenge any shot coming his way. Dude can hit the Jumper too, but it isn't consistent yet. He's explosive and always goes up strong. The Deal for my Rockets is looking better every game. He's getting the minutes and producing. He showed the Knicks what they are missing today and so did Jefferies with his Defense! Aka. Taking Charges.
Seriously though, Jordan Hill is Filled with A lot of Potential! I'm excited to have him for the Long Term.
If you want, Go look up some stories on why Mike D didn't play J. Hill. ..
yeah, i knew he could play. 5 blocks the other night, getting double digit points on the regular. KNicks gave up on him to clear space this summer, let's see if it works out.
As great as Hill potential is the Knicks have a chance at a ready to play player in this coming draft that is packed with quality power forwards. Also everyone knew Jeffries was talented but his contract needed to come off the books. anyway if you look at how Knicks have been playing and the solid play of Douglas, Walker, and to some degree Giddens added to what they already have, the Knicks should be good. Houston will have to figure out what they will do with their picks. They may even trade Hill again. Think about this if they keep Lowry then they are almost two deep at every position but Scola is a free agent. Hill is not ready to start next year and Houston has a first round pick to get a power forward who is. I guess you can play Hill at Center though.
Draft pick unless they take a Center--Whiteside, they will more than likely take an athletic power forward or someone like Monroe who can come right in and play who is an average athlete.
If Lowry does not resign there are not many points worst signing in the lottery cept Wall unless Bledsoe comes out.
Hill is really nothing special for everyone who has watched him he looks extremely clumsy out there, has rock hands, no basketball IQ and often looks like he doesnt belong on the basketball court. He is 6-10 and his best attribute is a 15 foot jump shot, when he gets the ball in the paint he always has his back to the basket and once he actually gets close he misses lay ups and doesn't go up strong.
He also already has a reputation for being lazy and not motivated and showed up to to training camp his ROOKIE season out of shape, how many people would honestly be so lazy to come out of shape to their first day in the NBA? He might be an ok player but nothing you cannot find using your MLE, im definitely not sweating that loss. Watching him out there made me cringe because he seems so uncoordinated. Plus why all the hype? The guy's career high is 13pts and that was against the Knicks who are so small they played bill walker at power forward at points in the game.
Did well scoring 13 pts, he's definately improved especially his rebounding since the trade.
He didn't really block any shots with the Knicks, he was foul prone and had problems in the paint.
I think it was an organization plan to move Jeffries and get under the cap enough to offer 2 close to max contracts to free agents.
He'll probably be a decent player in the league but better suited coming off the bench.
The key to Jordan Hill's success is not whether he'll be a star, because he won't be. The real issue is whether he can fill in as a sixth man, helping to make up for the loss of Carl Landry.
As I mentioned before, I think Donnie Walsh gave up far too much in the trade. If he gets lucky with a major Free Agent signing it might work out. Giving up draft choices is big time gamble that puts your team in the position of spending a fortune on one or more free agents. If it doesn't work out, you've mortgaged away your future.
Let's remember what the Knicks gave up in this trade.
2009 first round draft choice number 8 in Jordan Hill.
2011: Houston has the right to switch number one draft choices with NY if their record is worse. Obviously things can change, but right now that looks like an excellent move for Houston.
2012: Houston receives New York's number one draft choice.
One positive for Donnie Walsh are those teams who have so many number one draft choices stored in their bank, they're probably eager to give them up in a trade. But that raises the issue of who you give up to get a number one choice.
The Knicks did give up a decent amount, however it HAD to be done. Before this trade the Knicks didn't have money to sign one max and keep David Lee. So regardless who wanted to sign with the Knicks this summer they would essentially just have to choose one player. After this trade they have endless options this summer where they can sign 2 maxes possibly, or sign one max resign david lee and still have money left over for a nice piece. Jordan Hill is really nothing special the Knicks made a mistake drafting him in the first place.
Somebody will definitely sign on with the Knicks this summer and the worst case scenario will be Johnson with Lee and Tmac coming back, maybe a center like Camby too. That might not be a powerhouse but it is a playoff team in the East. As far as the Rockets go the west looks like it will continue to be extremely tough and they are not going to be good enough to guarantee themselves a playoff spot. So odds are that the swap of picks will never happen because even if the Rockets will remain a better team, they will still have a smaller chance of making it out of the lottery. So in this scenario Knicks gave up 17-21 pick in 2012 and Jordan Hill and will be fairly competitive for the next 5 years.
However the best case scenario has them becoming perennial championship contenders for the next decade, and a bench player and a draft pick should not stand in their way of trying to make that happen.
bkballer, with one exception, I agree with just about everything you stated above. Correct me if I'm wrong, but other than the top 3 lottery selections, isn't draft position determined by your overall win-loss record in the entire league, as opposed to your conference?
If my assumption is true, and going by their records today, we would be looking at the following win-loss records
New York: 25-45
Therefore, if it was the year 2011, switching draft choices with NY would be a major advantage in favor of Houston. I'm not predicting that will happen because the NBA changes so fast. I'm simply pointing out that it's very possible. In conclusion, that 2011 draft switch could possibly be far more valuable than you assumed.
And going even further, if the Knicks don't improve dramatically during the next two seasons, the 2012 draft choice NY gave up could prove to be extremely valuable.
I realize it can also go the opposite way. NY might sign a couple of big time free agents, build a winning record, and the draft choices they gave up might not be that big of a deal.
In sum, it's a calculated gamble.
Yes you are correct, by my assumption though the Knicks will use that cap space to somehow improve this summer. Since the east is so weak even if it is not as a major improvement as they are hoping for you really dont need much to make it in the east. So say they win 40 games and sneak into the 8th seed while houston wins 45 and finishes 9th, they would not want to swap picks with the Knicks.
I have to assume the Knicks know something we don;t because this has to be a calculated gamble because that was a decent amount to give up for a team to take a player whose contract expires in 2011.
Basically if the Knicks did not pull this trade they would have gotten nowhere with the cap clearing because one good signing and having to let Lee go would not help them become a winnign team. Plus who wants to come to a team that is so barren. Now they have enough money to offer players a much fuller roster. I just feel like the Knicks were already pot committed and at this point paying a fairly small price for what could be a huge reward. After sacrificing the last 2 years (they could have been a playoff team if they didnt start dumping contracts) letting a probable role player liek Jordan Hill be the road block would be really silly. If they get who they want this summer this might be discussed as one of the best trades ever.
Rubio you read my mind homie. My guess is that Brandon Jennings' early sucess w/ Bucks had the Knicks brass like" we made a mistake". I can recall Donnie Walsh saying something to that effect early on. And honestly the should ve picked BJ, but the still had a good player on their hands. That whole "our front court was loaded" argument is a bunch of b.s. The way Hill runs the floor and rebounds fit D'antoni's system to a T. Its something more to that. The Rockets are vastly better than the Knicks and his getting 20+ mins a nite. Im sure Lee would hv appreciated the help. Id like to thank T-Mac's agent, Arn Telleum, for getting Donnie Walsh to bite on this, the deal was supposed to be str8 up with the Kings. Picks those drafts picks were like white gravy on fluffy biscuits.Hmmm Delicious. You can use that type of juice to sign and trade a for someone like a Bosh???? Scola for nothing, Lowry for nothing and now Martin and Hill for Landry and nothing. Morey for exec of the year anyone ( Im well aware that is Danny Ferry's this year Im just saying) Morey is the best GM in the league. Oh yeah thanks Knicks preciate the love and good luck signing Lebron.
prolly not go happen