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Jennings vs. Evans

Jennings is having a great game and Evans has a quiet night. Game is in OT right now.


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Great game.

Great game.

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What happened to Evans? He

What happened to Evans? He hasn't played either OT periods.

Jennings is 8-13 from 3 and 3-13 from 2. If his 3 isn't falling he is in trouble. He needs to put on some weight so he can attack the rim better.

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He got a concussion.

He got a concussion.

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you know who is better than

you know who is better than both?

TONEY DOUGLAS

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Im still peeved about the no

Im still peeved about the no call when Jennings traveled late in the fourth and then passed to Salmons who hit a three...

Evans really struggled tonight to get into his offense with Salmons guarding him and Bogut guarding the rim, powerful one two punch.

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Another Toney Douglas lover

Another Toney Douglas lover trying to get love for him.. Toney Douglas is good but he's not even near the level of Brandon Jennings and Tyreke Evans.

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i was obviously kidding

i was obviously kidding tyreke evans is 438735 times better than toney. But I still don't really like Jennings even though he had a monster game.

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Jennings is the most

Jennings is the most overrated player in the NBA right now. Poor man's Iverson, got crazy hype for a hot start because people didn't have scouting reports on him and the past two months has been shooting 30 percent. Sort of reminds me of a point guard version of Al Harrington.
As for Tyreke I was really hoping he would fall to the Knicks on draft night because he can easily be a franchise player one day.

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Yeah, he takes difficult

Yeah, he takes difficult shots but hey, taking difficult shots early in your career just means that you're going to do one of 2 things..

1: Take better shots later in your career... (E.X.) Chauncey Billups shot about 37% for his first 2 seasons before he started taking better shots..

OR

2: You get better at taking difficult shots... (E.X.) Allen Iverson.. in his prime, he could take ANY shot he wanted and make it drop..

So as you can see, Brandon can do one of the 2.. That's what your rookie year is for... Getting prepared for the rest of your career.

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he's actually shooting 41%

he's actually shooting 41% for the month of March.. Not 30%

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and a poor man's Allen

and a poor man's Allen Iverson is still DAMN good.. AI averaged about 30-7 in him prime.. So a poor man's A.I. is about 23-5.. and that's still DAMN good.

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To shoot 32 percent one

To shoot 32 percent one month and then 30 the next month is unheard of in the NBA I don't care if you are a rookie or not.
Billups only had one month like that and that was the first month of his career and he only took 76 shots so that doesn't really count.
Iverson also never shot so atrociously. Plus Iverson averaged 23.5 and 7.5 his rookie year so I wouldn't really compare the two.
If you remove Jenning's first month his numbers are VERY unimpressive. How come he gets that rookie excuse while there are 30 other rookies shooting better than him right now.

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'Cause 30 other rookies

'Cause 30 other rookies haven't turned their teams from lottery dwellers to playoff contenders and turned guys once questioned as busts into possible top 5 players at their position. Yes, he's been shooting the ball poorly as of late. He's getting the same shots he got at the start of the year, he's just not making 'em. With a little more muscle and maturity, those shots drop at a much higher clip. Calling him the most overrated player in the league is ridiculous. He's getting a lot of hype, but considering what he's done for the Bucks as a team I'd say he's damn near underrated. I'll keep on saying that when it's all said and done, Jennings will be the best player from this draft.

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I don't know just my opinion

I don't know just my opinion i'm not very impressed and really think Bogut and the addition of Salmons are the reason the Bucks are playing so well right now.

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Ok lets get down to Chauncey

Ok lets get down to Chauncey Billups facts here..

Here we go.. write them down..

1st year: 34% Shooting.. Shot over 10 shots a game.
2nd year: 39%, shot over 10 shots a game
3rd year: 38%, shot over 10shots a game
4th year: !!!!33%!!!! shot over 10 shots a game..

That's 4 years!! We're not talking about a month with a bad stretch. or a season with bad shooting.. That's 4 years.. an entire Presidential term.. your entire high school life... Check mate.

to shoot 38% one year and shoot 33% the other is unprecedented in the NBA and you know what? Billups is an NBA Champion, Finals MVP, and a mulitple time all-star

Pff... billups had 1 month in his first year where he shot badly.. pff... more like 4 years..

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And how is it a coincidence

And how is it a coincidence that Bogut is having the best year of his career now that Brandon Jennings is on that team? Maybe it is a coincidence.. But Salmons is having one of the best month of his career now that's he's playing with Brandon aswell.. That's not coincidence anymore.

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you messed up so no check

you messed up so no check mate budddd
see his first year he was traded and shot 35% with a new team for 29 games
the next year he shot 39%
and his THIRD year was actually 13 games where he started 5 and took 7 shots per game. so thats really like 90-100 shots, something jennings shoots in about 2 weeks.
plus chauncey was a CRAZY under achiever and a journeyman for man years, no hype around him what so ever. He is just a rare case of an unappreciated guy who stepped it up. You are acting like its some kind of formula for bad shooting PGs because you found one case. It took Chauncey 5-6 years to find a team where he fit and was given the kind of control Jennings already has, and just because he did it doesn't mean you assume Jennings will, thats just silly on your part.

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No hype who stepped it up?

No hype who stepped it up? Billups was drafted THIRD overall and was traded halfway through his rookie year 'cause the Celtics thought he'd be a bust. He was having trouble getting his shot, let alone making it, couldn't do anything right, and generally looked lost out there. Jennings clearly belongs from the very beginning. He's leading his team to the playoffs while the face of the franchise is injured, has made everyone around him better and has proven capable of some HUGE games. He gets wherever he wants on floor, whenever he wants to, distributes the ball, and gets his shot whenever he wants. His lack of strength and maturity are leading to his recent shooting woes, but I bet you dollars to donuts he works his a$$ off during the off season [and every off season for that matter] and next year we'll talk about his improved consistency.

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you notice how when

you notice how when Jenning's production went down is when they started winning?
or that they have been on a tear since they got John Salmons?

or that he averaged 10 and 5, shooting 30 percent when they went 10-4 in February?

You sure hes the one carrying this team to the playoffs because I highly doubt it. Are you saying had the bucks gotten Evans or Curry or even Collison they would not be a playoff team in the East? Really?!!

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part of the reason jennings

part of the reason jennings percentages are so low is because he has to take shots. The team doesn't have a first option but is looking for jennings to be that guy. when they shot clock runs down to about 6 they give it to jennings and he tries to get a shot up.

since they traded for salmons, he doesn't have to take all these shots but he still has to take a few.

also someone made the point above that bogut has had his best year and salmons has been amazing since playing with jennings. sure he was good when he first got to chicago but that was when nobody thought he was good.

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Salmons did the same exact

Salmons did the same exact thing for the Bulls last year.
As for Bogut he didn't make a CRAZY leap from a scrub he was already on his way to being a decent big man. Big men take some time to reach their full potential.
Im not saying Jennings has nothing to do with it, of course he does. He is a true point who feeds him the ball something Bogut never had. He played with a back up before that and shooting guard pg in mo williams in the early stage of his career. Not saying hes not a decent point guard, he is most definitely a starter in this league, just VERY overrated.

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please look up Salmons

please look up Salmons numbers last year and compare them to him on the Bucks, he was actually better last year.

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i think Paul Pierce is more

i think Paul Pierce is more overrated, actually the big three are overrated. Rondo is the best on the team.

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Yeah it took Jennings 1 year

Yeah it took Jennings 1 year to find a team.. He didn't just find a team that needed a PG becaues they didn't need a PG, they had Session and Ridnour and they pushed them both out of the way for him.. And just like white said, he turned Bogut from a draft bust to maybe the 3 or 4 best center in the league.. He turned a lottery team into a complete playoff contender that can win a series.

Billups shot less than 40% 6 times in his career and is still a 5x allstar

By the way, have you heard of some guy named Jerry Stackhouse?? He shot 40% for his CAREER.. That's 3% more than Jennings' rookie year.. Yeah J.S. was the same guy who shot 40% in the 2000-01 season and averaged a shade under 30ppg...

By the way, there's another legendary player... what was his name again.. Umm... Maybe Jason Kidd? He shot 38% his first 2 seasons.. Look at him now.

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numbers don't tell the whole

numbers don't tell the whole story.

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What about stats from

What about stats from March... You bring up Feb which was his worst month and they went 10-4..

They did better in march...
8-1 in March and Jennings: 16.8ppg, 6.4apg, 48%3pt shooting

he doesn't ALOT that doesn't show up on the stat sheet, his passing vision is ridiculous, best in the draft.

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Since when are the Bucks his

Since when are the Bucks his team? Even tonight when he played so well, it was not him who showed up in the overtimes and the fourth quarter, it was Bogut and Salmons.

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you clearly didn't read my

you clearly didn't read my billups thing. I said he was UNDERACHIEVING hence there was no hype his rookie season with people saying he is the next best thing which is why he got traded. Sorry I just don't really like Jenning's game. Those flashy PGs with bad shot selection are a dime a dozen and their story always ends the same way. All that when he matures nonsense is old people are still waiting for marbury, francis etc to mature.

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Dude, I had this arguement

Dude, I had this arguement with someone else here. Stephon Marbury averaged 19 and 7 for his career. If he wasn't such a punk a$$ he'd wind up in the HOF. Steve Francis career got cut short by injuries. You cannot compare these people with Jennings.

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I know numbers don't tell

I know numbers don't tell the whole story.. Have you seen Jennings play more than those 2 games they showed on ESPN??? I doubt it.. His passing ability is so great, I mean his court vision is Nash/Paul-esque

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Yeah I watched the game

Yeah I watched the game tonight but since when is it Salmons team? Since when was it Bogut's team?

They gave Bogut the team a couple of years ago and what did he do with it? Nothing, so now that they are winning he's taking the team back? Doesn't work that way.. This team was in the playoffs as a solid 7 seed before Salmons, all they did was jump into a 5 spot.. Jennings got them into the playoffs.

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I think what bothers me the

I think what bothers me the most about Jennings is that he sometimes lets his confidence overcome common sense, you saw a bit of that in tonights game near the end of the fourth quarter when he jacked up a three point attempt from way way beyond the arc with still time left on the shot clock. I think it seemed that beause his shots were falling from downtown his vision of his teamates closed a little and he simply started looking for his shot, which is a shame when you consider what he is capable of.

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I seen 5-6 games this year

I seen 5-6 games this year with Jennings he is just flashy. Again he is a good pg who will be a starter. However there at least 3-4 pgs from this years draft that are better than him and that I would rather have.

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Uhh.hmm... Always end the

Uhh.hmm... Always end the same way??

Hmm what about....
Pistol Pete, flashy PG..
What about Steve Nash, flashy PG..

What about one of the greatest flashy PG's of all time.... Allen Iverson.. He CARRIED that philly team into the Finals... too bad the Philly Franchise is just like the Minnesota Timberwolves franchise, they completely waste a great player's prime.. (Kevin Garnett)

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umm...its Boguts and Salmons

umm...its Boguts and Salmons team since they have been the ones stepping it up latley... it has nothing to do with what has happened in the past, simply what is happening now.

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Jennings shoots 38% from the

Jennings shoots 38% from the 3... And when he put that shot up, he was shooting about 7-11 from 3.. When you're that hot, the coach wants you to take a 3.

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They were actually 9th

They were actually 9th before the trade. Not the point before that it was actually Redds team, followed by Jeffersons team, followed by mo williams team. It was never Boguts team.

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So this is what you're

So this is what you're telling me... NBA Finals... Game 1, first Qtr... LeBron James gets injured and Antawn Jamison steps up and averages 30ppg in the Finals.. It's officially Antawn's team because he stepped it up at that time and LeBron is from the past so he had NOTHING to do with it?

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steve nash and pistol pete

steve nash and pistol pete are some of the best shooters the game has ever had. plus steve nash is flashy but he never gets carried away or play too quick.
As for AI Jennings is and never will be nowhere near the caliber player he was.

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If that's the case, maybe

If that's the case, maybe they should burn all the NBA Championship Trophies and rings except the ones from 2009 because those are the current ones and the past doesn't matter according to you.

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I hope that you really are

I hope that you really are saying that Iverson is one of the greatest "flashy" PG's of all time and not that he is one of the greatest PG's of all time.

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Nash doesn't play too

Nash doesn't play too quick?? I can't believe I'm hearing this!! Do you know what kind of system the Phoenix Suns play under Alvin Gentry? The same playing style that Don Nelson has and the same Mike D'Antoni has.. It just so happens they have 2 all-stars and better players.. Nash THRIVES in the fast game.. Nobody in Dallas, 2 time MVP with a quick playing style.

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I wasnt aware that Jennings

I wasnt aware that Jennings was ever really playing at the level this year for him to be compared to a great player, let alone Lebron. Jennings was never in the position of leading his team to greatness, infact the Bucks were doing better when Jennings was splitting more minutes with other players.

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Iverson is one of the

Iverson is one of the greatest shooting PG's of all time.. Not one of the greatest PGs, maybe if he had a better team throughout his career, he'd be one of the greatest PGs of all time because he sure had the court vision for it.

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Jennings last 7 games:

Jennings last 7 games: (6-1) 21ppg, 6apg, 49% shooting.

Don't look now but his shot is starting to drop again.

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ightt im going to stop this

ightt im going to stop this argument really quick.
You are starting a team, you have a choice of a PG from"
Evans
Curry
Jennings
Colllison
Holiday (just started getting the opportunity playing great)
Rubio (unknown)
Beaubois

rank them in order
I bet Jennings will always fall 3-4

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ightt im going to stop this

ightt im going to stop this argument really quick.
You are starting a team, you have a choice of a PG from"
Evans
Curry
Jennings
Colllison
Holiday (just started getting the opportunity playing great)
Rubio (unknown)
Beaubois

rank them in order
I bet Jennings will always fall 3-4

thats only this years draft - other young PGs id rather have - paul, deron, rose, westbrook, rondo
that puts him as maybe the 10th pg in the league if i had to pick one to start a franchise which is slightly above average. thats not considering the older pgs id rather have liek billups, nash etc.

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Are you kidding me? I like

Are you kidding me? I like Curry, but he's the definition of "product of his system". He would not be getting those numbers in a more traditional offense. Evans is clearly doing well, but his game won't expand much due to his predictibilty and limited athleticism. No offense to Darren Collison, but he caught everybody sleeping for a bit 'cause no one thought he'd get time with CP there. He's made the best of his situation, but he's looked damned tired the least few games. The wall's catching up to him fast. I'm not even gonna mention the other guys who get limited minutes or pu$$ied out by staying in Europe.

I'd take Jennings over any of these dudes in a heart beat.

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IMO Evans Jennings Collison C

IMO

Evans
Jennings
Collison
Curry
Holiday
Beaubois
Rubio

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Look, you're on one side of

Look, you're on one side of the discussion and I'm on the other.. But we both have good points and that's the great thing about basketball, it's like a never ending soap opera, maybe in 3-5 years we'll find out who was the best PG in the league..

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