share

Toney Douglas

knicksfreak
knicksfreak's picture
Registered User
Joined: 05/09/2009
Posts: 1409
Points: 244
Offline
Toney Douglas

He has been playing well over his last 2 starts. I tried to hold off and not mention him until he has done this for a longer stretch but I think he should get some mention.

20.5 points, 7.5 assists, 2 steals, 1.5 rebounds, 1.5 turnovers, 0.5 blocks per game while starting.

He is showing that he isnt a turnover machine and has a knack for getting into the paint. Also has played solid D. He flustered Jamal Crawford who has been on a tear lately and who is 4 inches taller.

Interesting matchup with Rondo tonight. Lets see what he can do against a good defender and if he can limit Rondo's production. Hopefully he can keep this streak alive.


Blazermann
Registered User
Joined: 08/27/2009
Posts: 656
Points: 1084
Offline
i love

knicks fans

knicksfreak
knicksfreak's picture
Registered User
Joined: 05/09/2009
Posts: 1409
Points: 244
Offline
haha yeah I know this isnt

haha yeah I know this isnt earth shattering but I just got home from work and cant sleep so I figured I'd show some love to one of the Knicks very few bright spots. Being out of the playoff race does have one benefit.

knicks82
knicks82's picture
Registered User
Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 318
Points: 254
Offline
Im hoping he can keep it up

The thing I really like about Toney is he is a true student of the game. He watches tapes of who hes gonna be going up against before every game, always looking for advice from the vets, I mean he has busted his ass to finally get a chance to play big minutes, and hes showing he has the ability to get it done. Maybe the Knicks pg of the future? Funny he went to FSU like Charlie Ward...the last truely good pg the Knicks had. And yea, Ive cleared my mind of Marbury.

American_Baller
Registered User
Joined: 12/02/2009
Posts: 30
Points: 69
Offline
Toney Douglas, Bill Walker

Toney Douglas, Bill Walker and Tracy McGrady walk into a bar...

All kidding aside, I don't think he is the answer to any long term questions, but he was a great pick in last years' draft. He addressed team needs, while was probably the best player available at his position. Thornton has made a bigger impact as has Budinger, but neither one have as much skill or experience at running the point either, and as somewhat of a combo guard in college, Douglas has made a nice adjustment to playing point lately. Douglas along with Bill Walker and McGrady as far as returning the Knicks to their former glory...not a chance, but a great pick at 29 for last year's draft.

Mr.Knick 32
Mr.Knick 32's picture
Registered User
Joined: 02/17/2010
Posts: 4648
Points: -72
Offline
I believe he can be that

I believe he can be that combo guard off the bench next season. I still believe we need a starting PG.

I think the Sergio Rodriguez experiment is over, we should target someone like Raymond Felton

sheltwon3
sheltwon3's picture
Registered User
Joined: 03/30/2009
Posts: 6364
Points: 2606
Offline
I think Douglas and Bill

I think Douglas and Bill Walker will be solid back up for the Knicks and allow them to go 9 deep this coming season with a solid starting unit.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
Nice to know Knicks will

Nice to know Knicks will have a solid bench next year with players like Walker and Douglas playing well.

Slim
Registered User
Joined: 09/25/2009
Posts: 1053
Points: 347
Offline
Toney Douglas is 6'2, 5 to 1

Toney Douglas is 6'2 with 6'6 wingspan that's decent size
Crawford is 6'5.5 with shoes

5 to 1 assist to turnovers is impressive

he's a nice compact guard with good leadership qualities, he plays with a chip on his shoulder

JNixon
JNixon's picture
Registered User
Joined: 04/14/2009
Posts: 12962
Points: 11539
Offline
Douglas is a guard that's OK

Douglas is a guard that's OK at everything. He's a backup PG who plays strong D and doesn't try to do too much other than shoot open shots and drive the lane when helpside isn't paying attention or is a step slow to help. Solid, yet unspectacular PG.

This is the part of the season where the rookies get a big increase in PT, thus get a high level of production. He's not the PG of the future though.

MagikKnick
MagikKnick's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/07/2009
Posts: 3514
Points: 5917
Offline
-_-

-_-

Slim
Registered User
Joined: 09/25/2009
Posts: 1053
Points: 347
Offline
...

PG of the future?

they need a SF, PF, and a center, forget about point guard of the future

Derek Fisher has how many championship rings? I'm sorry but there are more important positions to fill if you want to seriously contend

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
He is actually the perfect

He is actually the perfect PG if we get a ball dominating superstar (wade, lebron etc), he plays very solid defense, can hit an open shot, doesn't turn the ball over. He will never be a star but if this summer goes well for this Knicks he is exactly what they need in a starting PG. Someone mentioned Derek Fisher is on the money, Douglas can easily be a better defensive fisher if you surround him with championship caliber talent.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
the knicks also do not need

the knicks also do not need a SF their two best young talents (Gallo and Chandler) are SF, as for PF if David Lee stays and they get someone taller than him that can crack the starting line up )maybe camby?) they are set there too. If Lee is let go you can assume that they have already signed Bosh or Amare because that's the only way they are going to let him go. Therefore after this summer the biggest concern for the Knicks is the PG position, which is why Toney Douglas' recent play is so encouraging.

BothTeamsPlayedHard
BothTeamsPlayedHard's picture
Registered User
Joined: 06/13/2008
Posts: 3437
Points: 4699
Offline
What is the old saying about

What is the old saying about there being two kinds of dynasties. One is where a Chinese family passes command of the country generation-to-generation. The other is when a New York team wins two games in a row.

Some people talk about Gallinari, Chandler, and Lee like they aren't on a 24-43 team.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
Gallo, Chandler and Lee are

Gallo, Chandler and Lee are not the problem they are all great role players, none of them are stars, at least not yet. However the rest of the team is pathetic and they cannot succeed without a star. Too often they do not have someone to close out close games. I promise you those 3 would make better sidekicks for Lebron than anything hes had yet.

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4422
Points: 5913
Offline
Hmm.. The Lebron teammate

Hmm.. The Lebron teammate comment makes he shake my head <--- (that way) --->(then this way).

He has played with Mo Williams, 1 All-Star appearance.
He has played with Antwan Jamison, 2 All-Star appearances.
He has played with Big Z, 2 All-Star appearances.
He has played with Shaquille O'Neal, 15 All-Star appearances.

Gallo, Chandler, and Lee, combined, have as many All-Star appearances as Mo. One....

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
Shaq and Big Z are both

Shaq and Big Z are both pushing 40, considering that shaq was a beast before he became a Cav means absolutely nothing.. David Lee is better than a 32 year old Jamison and Mo Williams one of the most overrated players in the league. Gallo and Chandler combined are Shaq's age. If Gallo had a player like Lebron to command double teams and find him open with nice passes you can bet he would average 20 ppg. Chandler and Gallo put together have played about 3 full seasons so you cannot compare them to the 15 All star votes shaq got in the 90s and early 2000s as a Laker. In fact this year out of all those players there was one All star and his name was David Lee. There was also one in the Rookie Sophmore Challenge, Im pretty sure all the Cavs not named Lebron had to pay for their seats at Cowboys stadium.

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4422
Points: 5913
Offline
Lol.. I mean I guess but

Lol.. I mean I guess but wasnt Lee a reserve guy?? He didnt even make it outright. He got picked up because someone had an injury..

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
you mean the way mo williams

you mean the way mo williams was an all star?
Knicks whole roster is a supporting cast, which is why they blow, however if you put a real star around them they are going to be a very good team.

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4422
Points: 5913
Offline
No.. Mo was picked as the

No.. Mo was picked as the first replacement. Lee was like the 3rd.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
Lee was first replacement as

Lee was first replacement as well sorry buddy, he filled in for iverson and when he originally didn't make it he was considered the biggest snub.

OrangeJuiceJones
OrangeJuiceJones's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/24/2009
Posts: 2601
Points: 5606
Offline
bkballer

You are one passionate Knick fan. Sheesh.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
Lee also did it off a team

Lee also did it off a team that wasn't close to a playoff spot while Mo benefited a lot from the fact that Lebron carried them to a nice record.

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4422
Points: 5913
Offline
Are you sure?? I need a

Are you sure?? I need a second opinion. Regardless, Lebron has a better cast than NY can offer him.

Mkadoza
Mkadoza's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/15/2009
Posts: 1394
Points: 1421
Offline
Hey BothTeamsPlayedHard,

Hey BothTeamsPlayedHard, some people talk about Tyreke Evans like he isnt on a a 23-45 team, like Curry, Ellis, and Randolph arent on a 18-48 team, like Al Jefferson isnt on a 14-54 team, like Brook Lopez isnt on a 7-60 team. The fact is this team has show enough toalent to win more games than any of these "future superstar" led teams. No ones saying any of the Knicks player will be top 10 players. But why is it when a Knicks fan shouts out a young rookie playing well and gets slayed, but when people talk about Nick Young who's done nothing with his opportunity, or Blatche who's getting how many wins? People defend players on worse teams, but Knicks players must be terrible. I dont understand why some people dont like the Knicks fans. Enlighten me please.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
absolutely no way Lebron has

absolutely no way Lebron has a better cast right now. Half those players on their way to retirement. He literally MADE careers for Varejao, Moon, Gibson they would either be on the end of a bench or out of the league otherwise, they owe him half their paycheck. Shaq and Big Z are on their last leg. Please name the good players they have that are under 25....JJ Hickson?? Knicks have Chandler, Toney, Gallo, Walker, Giddens (all under 24 and eanr like 8 million dollars put together), the expiring contract of Curry which will fetch them a nice player with a bad contract AND another 20 million IF he signs.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
you forget the Cavs won 17

you forget the Cavs won 17 games before Lebron got there and they had a similar cast to what they have now.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
yes orange I'm pretty

yes orange I'm pretty passionate lol, but I like to think I know what I'm talking about because I am a big basketball fan in general and I am also hard on a lot of Knick players - I hate half that team too, just glad they are either trading those players or letting their contracts expire (Harrington, Duhon, Jeffries, Hill, House, Bender)

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4422
Points: 5913
Offline
Wait... The Cavs are built

Wait... The Cavs are built for Lebron. Moon played alot before he was a Cav. Gibson has only played for the Cavs so you dont know. Verajao would thrive on any team because of how he works. I dont like that argument. Umm.. what else.. Yep, Shaq and Z are old. Why do the players have to be under 25?? Next....

Chandler has not proved anything to me. He is the product of a system. So is the emergence of Walker. Giddens hasnt seen much floor time ever. Toney has had a few good games so everyone is going to blow him right now. And Gallo is a Dirk wanna be.

Parker, Jamison, Williams, West, Moon, Gibson, Anderson, Hickson and Big Z are excellent players off Lebron. Now, they are great off of him because they dont need the ball to be productive but are good with it too. Lets look at the potential Knicks lineup with Lebron vs Cavs with Lebron.

Kincks:

Mo Williams vs. Toney Douglas - Douglas is a rookie that just recently started getting time. He has had a few good games but that means nothing. He can shoot and get to the rim a little bit. Mo Williams is an All-Star that can flat stroke from down town and is more of a short SG than a PG. Personally, I would much rather have Mo then Toney any day of the week.

Wilson Chandler vs. Anthony Parker - Chandler is an athletic guy. He isnt a great shooter and cant find a position. He is a SG/SF/PF whatever. Parker is an old shooter who plays smart ball. Now, on any team without Lebron, I want Chandler but since he struggles knocking down shots, I want Parker. Chandler is better but Parker fits with Lebron better.

Danilo Gallinari vs Antwan Jamison - Gallo is a stroker who is cocky. He is slow, weak and unimpressive on D. He is a young guy but will get destroyed as a PF. He wont cut it in the paint. He wont rebound. He wont defend. Jamison wont defend great but will get it done. He is good with or without the ball. He rebounds and creates for others. He is old. I dont know if anyone, excluding Knick fans, would take Gallo over Jamison. Now you can say its to start a franchise or whatever but for the next 2 years, Jamison is on top.

David Lee vs Shaq - Hands down i would take Lee. However, he isnt a C. That still leaves Lebron without a C. Lee is the same size as Lebron and doesnt exactly "protect the house." I would take Lee over Shaq any day but he is not a C. I dont see James going anywhere that starts a short and skinny C.

So if you took a lineup of the winners of that you have:
Mo
Parker
James
Jamison
And a PF at C

No...

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
No way 34 year old Parker

No way 34 year old Parker with a career average of 9ppg even comes close to Chandler. Just because you are conflicted on which one you take you lose all credibility. Chandler is not a product of the system because there is NO SYSTEM, knicks do not run they are 9th in the league in pace. Also turns out he has been playing hurt most of this season. No GM takes Jamison over Gallo that's just crazy. Just ask yourself if he would be traded for an expiring contract. This is basically his rookie year and in a year or two when he bulks up a bit and adjusts to the American game he will be a very good player.

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4422
Points: 5913
Offline
Maybe you dont understand.

Maybe you dont understand. Lebron doesnt play for a team. He doenst play for the Cavs. Okay? It wont change if he goes to the Kincks. He wont play for the Knicks. Lebron doesnt play for the Cavs. The Cavs play for Lebron. That is just the kind of player he is. He is a great player, a triple-double threat, and franchise carrier but a bad teammate. He turns players into standers.

That is why Parter FITS better than Chandler. Im not torn at all. Chandler is not a 2. He cant play the 2 without Lebron so he cant play it with Lebron. If Lebron comes to NY, you will see what I am saying. And you are a tard if you think Gallo is better than Jamison. He reminds me of Mehemt Okur with spiky hair. He will never be a Dirk player. He will be more like a good Steve Novak. Tall shooter and thats it.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
and why do players have to

and why do players have to be under 25? How about young talent with the potential to get better, all these players on the Cavs have maxed out and are on the decline and in a year or two will be shells of the players they used to be.

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4422
Points: 5913
Offline
Lebron doesnt want to get

Lebron doesnt want to get better. He wants to be good now. Trust me, he wont go where he has to build a franchise. He wants to go where he will play in the finals that year.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
Gallo definitely has more

Gallo definitely has more value than Jamison right now. You are the tard if you think hes just a shooter I guess you don't watch Knick games, he is actually one of our best man to man defender (doesn't say much our defense blows) but still its gotta mean for something.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
Just curious where you from

Just curious where you from and whats your favorite team?

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4422
Points: 5913
Offline
I watch the Knicks whenever

I watch the Knicks whenever I can and Chandler is actually the best defender on the team. Gallo cant defend. He gets beat off the dribble all the time. He is just a shooter. If you are going to tell me that outside of shooting, defense is his next best quality, im going to say over and over again that he is just a shooter.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
So you are saying that if

So you are saying that if Joe Johnson comes along with Lebron (rumored) and the knicks trade Curry at the trade deadline for lets say Okafor that he will still have a better chance of winning in cleveland? How many years does he have this chance in cleveland, if he doesnt win it this year does he win it with a shaq, big z and jamison that average 37 years old put together?

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
And Chandler, Gallo,

And Chandler, Gallo, Douglas, Walker will all improve next year since they are very young, noone except for Hickson will improve on the Cavs

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
Possible 2010 NYK

Possible 2010 NYK roster:
Douglas
Johnson
James
Gallo
Okafor

Bench:
Chandler
Walker
Sergio
Tmac

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4422
Points: 5913
Offline
WOW!!.. Lets say that Phill

WOW!!.. Lets say that Phill Jackson quits coaching the Lakers and takes the Knicks job from Mike. Then, he brings Kobe, he can opt out, then signs Lebron. Then, he trades Curry for Amare Stoudamire and Steve Nash and then they resign Lee

Their lineup would be
Nash
Kobe
Lebron
Lee
Stat.
Phill

You are counting on alot of stuff to happen. Alot of things that arent going to happen. Yea, if he gets 2 allstars to play for him, he might make the second round of the playoffs. Get real man.

Also, what does where Im from have to do with anything?? Or, my favorite team?

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
just curious and that is a

just curious
and that is a very possible scenario, if not that then something else will happen. Knicks WILL sign someone this summer.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
just curious and that is a

just curious
and that is a very possible scenario, if not that then something else will happen. Knicks WILL sign someone this summer. It was actually rumored that Johnson was a done deal.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
The Knicks wouldn't trade

The Knicks wouldn't trade Jordan Hill (who i didn't like btw) along with a 2012 first round pick if they weren't going to make major moves this summer. I'm sure there is some deal under the table already that convinced Walsh to pull the trigger on a trade like that.

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4422
Points: 5913
Offline
Yea, the will sign someone.

Yea, the will sign someone. It will be Joe Johnson and David Lee. Thats it. Those are the only 2 players that are worth a damn that they will get.

Nobody wants to play for D'Antoni. He will never win a championship. He just wont do it. Just like Van Guny. Good coach but doesnt have what it takes to win. Everyone in the NBA knows that Size and Defense win championships and those are 2 things that Mike has never had. Look at the past few champs. Lakers, Spurs, Celtics. All have/had 2 guys right at 7feet or taller starting and playing very well.

Im from WV and I dont have a favorite NBA team.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
Ye except he had a crazy

Ye except he had a crazy competitive team in one of the toughest conferences we have seen in a while, and if not for those suspensions against the spurs they would have won the west and easily beaten whoever was out east. and everyone says they love playing for him.

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
and we are talkin if Lebron

and we are talkin if Lebron should come to new york, you said they will get Johnson possibly so before they sign Lee is the Knicks team with Johnson not an attractive place to play?

MagikKnick
MagikKnick's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/07/2009
Posts: 3514
Points: 5917
Offline
Knick Fans Making Knick Fans

Knick Fans Making Knick Fans Look Bad

All this March Madness & NBA Playoff talk, yet the Knicks remain relevant...sigh

bkballer
Registered User
Joined: 07/12/2009
Posts: 922
Points: 390
Offline
isn't Dantoni from WV that

isn't Dantoni from WV that should be your boy lol

The8thDeadlySin
The8thDeadlySin's picture
Registered User
Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 4422
Points: 5913
Offline
He is a great guy. I know

He is a great guy. I know him personally but he will never win it all. He will compete but never win. Do you not get it? Players want to win championships not make the playoffs. His system will produce numbers and All-Stars but not banners in the ceilings...

BothTeamsPlayedHard
BothTeamsPlayedHard's picture
Registered User
Joined: 06/13/2008
Posts: 3437
Points: 4699
Offline
Mkadoza, what a load of

Mkadoza, what a load of garbage. That Knicks team hasn't showed any potential to win anything. They guard nobody and are a lousy rebounding team. If you want to be delusional, feel free. This board gets an oddball Knick thread every day. How many Sergio Rodriguez threads are there? Remember the hope train after the one good Tracy McGrady game? I'm sure you can go back and find the D'Antoni will make it work with Darko threads from when they dealt for him last summer. The only other fan base that comes remotely close to overrating mediocre to average players is Laker fans with the Kobettes (Walton, Farmar, Brown, Vujacic, etc).

RSS: Syndicate content