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PG Controversy In New Orleans' Future?

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PG Controversy In New Orleans' Future?

I know this is obvious to most but it's a topic that hasn't been discussed, at least not enough. Darren Collison is ridiculous. He should be a starting point guard considering he is just a rookie. Instead he's a backup to the best point guard in the NBA. At some point Darren is going to demand to be put on the floor instead of the bench. He is NOT going to start over Paul. He is NOT going to play primarily as a two-guard (too small, better options at the two). What are the Hornets gonna do then? It will almost be like they wasted a draft pick, since trading him wouldn't land an all-star (except from an idiotic GM).
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not necessarily

This is a good problem. They could trade Collison to a team in dire need for a PG and either get a draft pick in return or a player they could really use, that is if they don't just decide to keep them both

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How is it a wasted pick? It

How is it a wasted pick? It was a hell of a pick. They can trade him for a solid player, or IMO (as much as everyone lashes out at me for this and probably should) trade Chris Paul.

If you trade Chris Paul, you could def. get all-star caliber players out of that deal, possibly even first round picks too. Collison looks like he is gonna be a stud in the NBA, and at least for now he is a hell of a bargin. NO is in a bad financial position as is with those huge contracts. Trading CP3 could clear up some space, bring in solid players to fit other needs (along with picks probably) all while managing a drop off of talent at PG. Collison is not CP3, but he is very very good and has great potential.

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trade collison to the

trade collison to the clippers for a top ten pick this year. saves money for the clippers in the offseason and helps the clippers in the frontcourt. helps the hornets by giving them two lottery picks to fill out their starting lineup with guys like Aminu and Aldrich. helps the clippers get rid of baron. collison comes home. gives the hornets more options.

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Collinson to NY for Chandler

Collinson to NY for Chandler and a Future 1st

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didn't the knicks trade all

didn't the knicks trade all of their 1st rounders this decade to get mcgrady?

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Lol...just the 1st 2. Once

Lol...just the 1st 2.

Once we get a couple good players this FA......It won't matter.

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I'm going to draw a huge disagreement here probably....

I don't think this is a PG controversy at all realistically...Chris Paul is ALOT better than Collison and will always be.

I think Collison is very similar to Ramon Sessions. He plays a similar game, he has had a good run while Chris Paul is out putting up a high number of assists (and turnovers) and is getting a bunch of attention. I still maintain that Collison is better suited as a backup PG who plays about 25-30 mins a game. No slight to him, because a backup playing minutes like that puts him in elite company. He's passing the ball well and driving very well and he's a good on-ball defender, but relatively nothing all that special if you trade him to a team hoping he can be a top level starter...He can be a mediocre/decent starting PG in terms of wins and losses if he gets traded and plays as big a role as he has played in New Orleans. He's better suited as a 3rd or 4th option offensively and a steady player. Sounds like a 2nd team player to me.

Will he be traded to be another teams starter? Probably. But will he more than a mediocre starter? No. Especially if he goes to a team where he has to be a 2nd or even 3rd option scorer on his team like he does in New Orleans..

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knicks dont have a 2010,

knicks dont have a 2010, 2011, or 2012 1st rounder. I kinda doubt the hornets will give up collison for a pick 3 years away when no one has any idea of how high that pick might be.

I'm curious as to what teams around the league ofer the hornets for darren because he is looking like a top 10 pg for about 2 months now. And i don't see anyway he and paul play togethr on the court, they're too much alike.

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well based on what he has

well based on what he has done for about 2 months, he has in no way looked like a mediocre starter. He looks like a starter and a very good one in my book. He is running the offensive playing defense and putting up about 18-9-4 without Paul and keeping the team competitive. I never thought Ramon was gonna be a very good starting pg. Ramon doesn't get into the lane and keep defenses off balance like DC is doing.

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The Knicks swapped protected

The Knicks swapped protected picks with Rockets in 2011. You arent allowed to have no 1st round picks in consecutive years.

And theres is no controversy about PG if Chris Paul is your starter. Thats like saying theres an issue if you have a top 1st base prospects and Albert Pujols on your team. You can get assets for the player while having the best at their position. And if something were to happen to the premium player, like this year, you have a player capable of helping you win.

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"Ramon doesn't get into the

"Ramon doesn't get into the lane and keep defenses off balance like DC is doing. "

That's all Sessions did last year. It's not like he was/is a jump shooter at all..He's pretty much the exact same type of player Sessions was last season.

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DC can get into the lane and

DC can get into the lane and change directions and doesnt have to go all the way to the hoop. He can keep guys off balance and still read the court while hes in that mid range area and in the paint. Session had to get all the way to the rim or back it back out. He wasn't shaking guys and disecting defenses and getting 9 assists a game and running the show like DC has been doing on any consistent basis.

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I think they play about the

I think they play about the same..Any difference is minimal. Collison will produce like he's doing as long as he's the 2nd option. He's not going to be a 18 ppg and 9 assists player if he's on a good team, where he's the 4th option on the team where he's ideal. Maybe 11 points and 5 or 6 assists and 1 or 2 steals.

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yeah please ramon is no

yeah please ramon is no where near Collison...remember if collison started in beggining and he had the same stats he is having now....he would probably be the rookie of the year...especially if he is really averaging 18 9 4 like llperez said...which is better then tryekes 20 5 and 5....honestly i think they should make a trade with the Pacers...yall might think im crazy but i think it makes sense for both teams...
and trade surrounding Collison getting trading for Granger....thats if pacers dont get the number one draft pick....and of course new orleans has to trade some contracts to make it work
Pacers finally get a point guard that they would probably never get through Free agency...and they can draft Turner if they can get him or other scoring bigs or small fowards since this draft is loaded with them...
New Orleans would get a scoring option on the wing that they need so despartly...they probably have to get rid of a draft pick if they didnt already trade it away...

wat yall think?

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iggy, i disagree. Collison

iggy, i disagree. Collison doesnt need to be the best player to put up his stats. He thrives off of having guys around him who can finish plays. David west, Marcus Thornton and Emeka have all continued to produce at a high level with collison running the show. He doesn't want to be the guy to take the shots, he is a natural pass first pg and those stats will be pretty darn close as long as he is given the ball and allowed to run the show and use his weapons around him just like CP3 is allowed to do. The last 3 games, collison is shooting 50% and getting 11.5 assists with 16 points. He is very efficient.

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llperez22, the knicks have a

llperez22, the knicks have a pick in the 2012 draft. Houston does however have the option to swap picks with them.

Because of the 1970's cavaliers you can't go two years without drafting a player in the first round, but you can draft and then trade the player you picked.

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At first i thought Collison

At first i thought Collison was doing good because no one knew who to game plan him but now he is just beating people even when they prepare for him. His team is still losing but he is getting his.

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yeah, i knew they had the

yeah, i knew they had the pick. I just meant they gave up their rights to use it in a trade since the rockets can swap with it. So that pick is off limits in any trade scenarios like the other guy brought up.

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If the Pacers don't pick-up

If the Pacers don't pick-up John Wall or Evan Turner i can see them parting with there pick in order to get Darren Collison. Other players may need to be involved but it isn't completely out of the question.

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kurtu17

Just read your comment, no way are the Pacers dumb enough to trade Danny Granger (All-Star when healthy) for a rookie/sophomore PG who despite playing very well it has not yet started to translate to wins. Like i said above i can seem parting with there pick this year if can't get Turner or Wall or maybe 2011 1st round pick for Collison.

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i dont think New Orleans

i dont think New Orleans would do just a deal that centered around Turner and collison...even maybe a better player..i dont think you take that risk especially since knowin he could potentionally have a bad back...i think they would have to include Granger....with pacers keeping their draft pick and maybe New Orleans draft pick..and of course Hornets would have to deal some players to make the trade work....i think Pacers would def make that deal espically if they cant get Turner or Wall...because just with Granger eventually they will have to blow it up...

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I don't think you understand

I don't think you understand how key Granger is to the Pacers plans. Maybe if the Hornets would give up Collison, their 1st round pick, David West and maybe even Thornton there might be a discussion. If the Pacers aren't willing to let Granger go for Al Jefferson why would they let him go for Collison?

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first because Collison is a

first because Collison is a better player...and a better leader....he deminstrated that in college and in the absence of chris paul...second Pacers need a point guard more then a power foward...Kevin love and Al isnt workin why would Troy and Al be any better....and pacers can have whoever they want besides Paul....
Collison will be a 20 10 4 and he can stay healthy and play defense...why wouldnt Pacers want him

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and ford and watson wouldnt

and ford and watson wouldnt be their starting point guard...

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im not ready to say collison

im not ready to say collison is worth granger. I like collison a lot, but lets wait a little longer before we start trading him for all-stars. But to festar, you really are smoking something if you tihnk the horrnets would have to give up collison, david west, marcus thornton and their lottery pick just to pry granger away. DO you realize how lopsided that trr\ade would be?

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I was overstating i know, i

I was overstating i know, i was just trying to make my point clear.

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yeah i meant to write they

yeah i meant to write they can have anyone not everyone....maybe if the hornets keep thorton....they can have David west since we already have Okafor...
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Chris, thorton, Granger, whoever, and Okafor

Collison, turner or watever draft pick, Dunlevey, West and Murphy.

i understand if they get turner they wouldnt have to get collison..but if they didnt that would be a trade they would def have to consider

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I said this back at the

I said this back at the start of the season.That the Hornets got a player that slipped in the draft..And by mid-season teams will be making requests about Collison's availabilty..No Way is this a wasted pick!!! This is a great problem to have..There are so many scenerios they have now to better their team..Keeping him won't hurt..Some say Collison & Paul are too small to play together..That might be true on the defensive side of the ball..But with them playing together...They can take advantage of the hand checking rule and could create hectic..The idea of them running in transition will be scary to some teams..Maybe use him & West or Stokojavic's expiring contract to bring in Amare or Bosh..Or they can use him to get a top 5 pick, or they can move up in the draft..Or trade him and another player to the Knicks for Douglas & Chandler..I bet the Knicks,Raptors,76'ers & Pacers wish they had taken Collison..

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oh yeah i forgot NO would

oh yeah i forgot NO would have to give away their lottery pick...i know its giving alot but sometimes you have to in order to get a great player like Granger...but the another reason why im sayin this is Pacers are goin to have to blow this up anyways...why not get a young talent like collison who is top 10 point guard in the league...which he will be next year...

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Definitely a good problem to have

I think Chris Paul is hands down the better option between the two. Collison is playing great, but the Hornets are not winning. Chris Paul is more of a leader and would have the Hornets in a better position to make the playoffs. I believe Collison will be a full-time starter in this league, he is very quick, a solid defender, and gets in the lane with ease. His only problem has been turnovers, which is something he will cut down on with more experience.

I had my doubts on Collison when he was drafted in the first round. Apparently those final four experiences have toughen him up mentally and he knows that he can play with any point guard in this league.

As far as what the Hornets should do. We all know the Hornets would get more in return by trading Paul away than they would trading Collison. If I'm the Hornets I'm holding onto Collison until some other team comes knocking. I would not be the instigator of any trade talks involving Collison.

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In 30 starts DC has

In 30 starts DC has averaged:

18.3 pts, 9 ast, 3.4 rbs on 47.7/40.6/84.9 shooting while the Hornets are 12-18, which leaves them at 21-17 with CP3 starting...Take into consideration it was also CP3 with a solid backup in DC, vs DC playing 40 minutes with no other player who can really play the pg position on the team. Yeah, Collison isn't as good as Paul right now, or probably ever, but he's more then a medicore pg, with those numbers he'd be a shoe in for rookie of the year if he started all 82 games.

But the stat that people should be looking at the most is over the next 3 years Paul is averaging over 16mil a year in salary, while DC is taking in less then 2mil...Is CP3 really eight times better then Collison? I don't think so...Also, after those 3 years Paul can walk, while Collison can easily be locked up for another 3,4,5 years after his rookie contract is up, probably for much cheaper because of the what the new CBA might bring.

End of the day, their team would probably be better with collison running the point with an all star calibur wing (Granger, Iggy or what have you) as opposed to Paul playing with with peja/mo pete/posey/wright.

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dang, 48% fg, 41% 3fg, and

dang, 48% fg, 41% 3fg, and 85%fts... that's pretty good. I know he gets a lot of turnovers, but he has to create the offense and has the ball in his hands a ton. RIght now he is ranked third on most rookie rankings behind Evans and curry, and rightfully so. But my question is if he had started from day one, could have beat out those two?

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The turnover column is the

The turnover column is the most important column when differentiating the two. At the beginning of the season, CP3 averaged over 20 points and 10 assists while barely turning the ball over; Collison is a turnover machine. Sure, Collison's only a rookie, but that doesn't automatically mean that his turnover problem will be resolved soon (as in next year). The Hornets should go with Paul, who in my opinion is the best point guard in the league when healthy (D-Will is a close second), and trade Collison for a high draft pick or one of the marquee free agents in this year's class in a sign-and-trade. I'd love to see Rudy Gay or Nick Young on the Hornets, but I doubt either one of those guys will don a Hornets uniform anytime soon.

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In reality what hasnt

In reality what hasnt collison done that paul usually does?? collisons numbers since being a starter are absolutley ridiculous!! take away the hype and popularity of paul and collison is essentailly doing the exact same thing for about 14 million less and plus he is a rookie yet!! folks its his rookie year!! he is only gonna get better. collison has earned my respect

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In reality what hasnt

In reality what hasnt collison done that paul usually does?? collisons numbers since being a starter are absolutley ridiculous!! take away the hype and popularity of paul and collison is essentailly doing the exact same thing for about 14 million less and plus he is a rookie yet!! folks its his rookie year!! he is only gonna get better. collison has earned my respect
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Lol, y'all are starting to jump on the Collison bandwagon a little too hard. What hasn't Collison done that Paul usually does? How about keep the Hornets in the playoff race in a loaded western conference. How about having an assist to turnover ratio of 4.42 more than twice as good as Collison's 2.13!

Let's see Collison keep up with his numbers from the last month over the next few seasons before we annoint him CP3s replacement. I remember half way through his rookie year ppl were already proclaiming TJ Ford the next Isaiah Thomas. Look how that truned out.

C'mon man I like Collison but he is NOT on Pauls caliber right now.

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most def i think so...i mean

most def i think so...i mean he is almost avarging a double double, he boards well for his size, and high percentages, he has the whole package and he is in his first year....

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collison

you cannot tell that collison is better then cp3 cause he doesnt have any pressure on his back.... when paul is playing with hornets everybody excpects big things from him.... i think that is why is collison looking like allstar right now... i think that they should keep him another season and see what he can or cant do.... maybe they can even play 2 pg cause collison is more of a scorer than paul... something that philly use to do with snow and iverson.... my prediction if he plays on this level next year and event better they could trade him for a good player and a draft pick i dont think thay would trade paul....

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