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NBA players were more skilled back in the day, and knick fans are funny

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Knick fans are

Knick fans are funny.....what happened to this post...haha

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im guessing you just guessed

im guessing you just guessed on the wade and kobe shoot them at a much higher rate when wade actually shoots less. wade only had 2 years where he shot over 80 threes..clyde has 12

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Guys, can we just agree that

Guys, can we just agree that the game is more skiilled than it was in the 70s and 80s>

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lol..i know right dan..it

lol..i know right dan..it started with ll saying players were better now then back then and it went into something else. liek i said before people say that untill they look at ho good players were back then. and this is without looking at stats.. when you look at stats it becomes a blow out. theres like 2 guys shooting over 60percent in the nba..back then it was more then triple that and some shooting high 60's

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well i doubt most people

well i doubt most people remember back then...as far as the jordan era up to 95 the players were much better..not even close in any catagory stats or non stats

lol wade three point shooter....thats classic

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I agree that players are

I agree that players are more versatile but not more skilled as far as fundamentals go. Like I said earlier, defense and shot selection were better then.

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i wonder how many of the

i wonder how many of the stars of today will be hall of famers

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One of the All-Time Greats

And this season, Paul is even better. To see how much better we turn to Table One.

Table One: The New Orleans Hornets in 2008-09 after 41 games

From Table One we see that Paul – after 41 games in 2008-08 – has already produced 15.9 wins. In 2007-08, only ten players produced more wins for the entire season (and one of these was Paul). If Paul continues at this pace in 2008-09 he will finish with 31.8 Wins Produced. And if he eclipses the 30 win mark he will be first player to do this since Kevin Garnett (30.7 wins) did this in 2002-03.

Here is some more perspective on the greatness that is Chris Paul.

Back in the 1980s there was a point guard named Magic Johnson (you might have heard of him). Here is what Magic did in his career:

1979-80: 20.6 Wins Produced, 0.353 WP48
1980-81: 14.6 Wins Produced, 0.512 WP48
1981-82: 29.6 Wins Produced, 0.475 WP48
1982-83: 29.3 Wins Produced, 0.484 WP48
1983-84: 24.5 Wins Produced, 0.459 WP48
1984-85: 24.3 Wins Produced, 0.420 WP48
1985-86: 22.8 Wins Produced, 0.425 WP48
1986-87: 26.9 Wins Produced, 0.444 WP48
1987-88: 18.9 Wins Produced, 0.345 WP48
1988-89: 28.4 Wins Produced, 0.472 WP48
1989-90: 26.1 Wins Produced, 0.426 WP48
1990-91: 26.7 Wins Produced, 0.436 WP48
1995-96: 4.6 Wins Produced, 0.231 WP48
CAREER: 297.3 Wins Produced, 0.429 WP48
As one can see, Chris Paul in 2008-09 compares favorably to Magic Johnson. And that is a point I would emphasize. Chris Paul is developing into one of the all-time great players in NBA history. It’s not a stretch to start thinking of him in terms of players like Magic, MJ, and Bird. Yes, Paul is that good.

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/magic-johnson-and-chris-paul/

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not comparable untill paul

not comparable untill paul wins a title ..all the greates of the greats win titles..bird,magic,jordan,jabbar,wilt russell

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I only see Kobe, Nash, Dirk,

I only see Kobe, Nash, Dirk, Garnett, Duncan, LeBron, Shaq, Iverson, Pierce, Ray Allen and Wade as sure bets.

Melo most likely

Vince maybe

Marbury and T-Mac nope

Billups nope

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You can't compare Paul to

You can't compare Paul to Magic!! Magic has 5 rings. Stats are so ridiculously overrated sometimes. Paul is a great player but he has a ton to do before being mentioned with Magic.

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If Chris Paul had some Hall of Fame Teammates...

James Worthy, Jamaal Wilkes, kareem Abdul Jabaar

Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett

Chris Paul has 1 All-Star David West
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Of course, there's one huge difference between Magic and Paul, and it's something that may be tough to rectify as long as he's in New Orleans. Johnson won five championships, while Paul's team hasn't gone beyond the second round of the playoffs.

There are good reasons for this -- Johnson was a teammate of not only Scott but also Hall of Famers Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy and Bob McAdoo. Although Paul has two teammates who have made the All-Star team (David West and Peja Stojakovic), his cohorts pale by comparison.
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But with this season's performance, we're left to consider even loftier heights -- such as whether Paul can rival Magic in the pantheon of great point guards.

And despite their obvious differences -- Magic was 6-9 yet the most dangerous open-court player in league history, while Paul is barely 6 feet yet may be the best half-court pick-and-roll player in eons -- Scott says he sees more than a few similarities between his current point guard and his former Showtime backcourt mate.

"The obvious difference is the height, but they are so much alike in so many ways," Scott said.

"Number one, both of them were extremely competitive; neither one could stand to lose. Both of them were the most giving guys I've ever seen on the basketball court. That was their whole thing, was being a true point guard. They look for their teammates first, [especially] the first two quarters.

"Chris has taken a page out of Magic's book, as far as most of the time in the second half I tell him, 'You have to be more aggressive.' Earvin was great at that, getting everybody involved in the first half and then being a little more aggressive in the second half and trying to take over, and Chris is starting to do that."

Of course, there's one huge difference between Magic and Paul, and it's something that may be tough to rectify as long as he's in New Orleans. Johnson won five championships, while Paul's team hasn't gone beyond the second round of the playoffs.

There are good reasons for this -- Johnson was a teammate of not only Scott but also Hall of Famers Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy and Bob McAdoo. Although Paul has two teammates who have made the All-Star team (David West and Peja Stojakovic), his cohorts pale by comparison.

As a result, Paul may stay a cult hero for a while longer. Yes, he gets a few scraps of national TV exposure and the occasional endorsement, but he remains mostly a League Pass legend known best to TiVo junkies and his small band of admirers on the Bayou.

Thus, I must implore you again: Watch this guy, and appreciate him while he's in his prime. Those in the know are seeing the best point guard since Magic Johnson and arguably the best little man of all time. The lack of attention to his exploits continues to bewilder me.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&pag...

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MAgic Johnson has 5 rings

MAgic Johnson has 5 rings but John Stockton has 0 rings. Magic Johnson has 5 rings
James Worthy has 5 rings
Kareem Abdul Jabaar has 6 rings

it takes a team to win not a HOF PG

PG is probably the least winningest position historically.

you need dominant scorers moreso than a point guard to get them open shots

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Magic Johnson needed dominant scorers around him as do all passing guards

you cant hold that against Paul that he doesnt have HOFers around him.

Paul is great but I doubt any PG gets a ring without HoFers around him.

Isiah Thomas had Dumars Rodman and others

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sorry but it doesnt go that

sorry but it doesnt go that way...real men dont make excuses..no one says malone or barkley would have more rings if they had better players around them. youre not judged by "wellif he had more guys around him blah blah blah"

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pg is one of the least

pg is one of the least winningest position in history???...lol there is no least winningest position because you always have a starting 5. theres a pg in every title game. same with sg sf pf and center

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real men dont make

real men dont make excuses..

"Rondo is a lucky guy, to play with guys like Pierce, (Ray) Allen and (Kevin) Garnett,'' Paul, who scored 22 points with eight assists, said with a sly smile."

no one says malone or barkley would have more rings if they had better players around them.

Michael Jordan has said that he never won a ring without Scottie Pippen, that should tell you how important a supporting cast is.

"I remember in the 80's the press kept saying that Jordan would never win a single NBA championship, because all he did was score. It's so silly to think about that now, considering the guy has 6 NBA championships from the 90's. But back in the 80's most of his scoring was made off of dunks, so the press came down on him for lacking outside shooting skills.

AND, back in the 80's, Jordan was accused of being a ball hog like Dominique Wilkins. Like Wilkins Jordan just didn't have enough help around him in the 80's so there was no one to pass to. Jordan was always under the shadow of Magic Johnson and Larry Bird back then and to a lesser extent even Isiah Thomas. How times have changed for his Airness. "

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all star pgs who are expected to carry their team without any all star support will never work.

you need other dominant players to win in the finals versus say a lebron in the east

or a kobe in the west

and michael jordan has said himself that the main difference between him and Charles was

a) their supporting cast
b) defense

2:10-2:16

bonus: jordan called him a guard-small forward, and "agile"

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you take HOF Pippen off that

you take HOF Pippen off that team and Bulls dont get past Magic in the 1991 Finals its as simple as that.

You need versatile players to defend and score the basketball.

Chris Paul is hall of fame material in terms of wins produced he is an all time great

winning a title never hurts though and I know he wants the title as bad as anybody rught now

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lets see

Just off the top of my head Bird, Erving, Wilkens, Worthy, English, Mullin, Pippen, Bradley, King, Dandridge, clearly better than than Carmelo is to date.... And I only going with guys I say play. If you think that now Anthony is top 5 sf of all time we watching different league.

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zero titles

Anthony a top 5 sf of all time - dude has won zero titles -

zero titles

Pippen, 6 titles
james Worthy, 5 titles

bird 3 titles
erving 2 NBA titles,

Bernard King, zero titles
dominique Wilkinsins, zero titles
alex English, zero titles
Chris Mullin, zero titles
Bernard King, zero titles

Rick Barry
Dandridge
great player but he had KAreem, Unseld, Oscar, and Elvin Hayes; 2 titles
http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=DandrBo01

I think the numbers tell how much they contribute to wins but I dont go off that here's my list

here's my top 5 currently: no particular order
Julius Erving/Pippen/Worthy/
I hear that Connie Hawkins guy was pretty good

top 5 may be a bit extreme, but I believe when its all said and done Carmelo will have set a lot of records

"Without Julius Erving, David Thompson, Walter Davis, and Elgin Baylor, there would never have been a Michael Jordan. I evolved from them."

Carmelo and Lebron will be in a class of their own, having evolved their games from the great guards and small forwards of the league in the past.

right now I would put Melo in that Nique, Erving, Worthy class with their ability to get to the line(pure scorer).

Bird was a different breed he had Melo's sweet shooting from the post, but he passed more and scored less per game on average. More of a passer and a better rebounder 10rpg.

I think they're all great, however you want to put it Carmelo ANthony is a once-in a lifetime offensive talent and his defense is improving.

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