I noticed that he's been in the lottery all year on this site's mock draft...Can someone please explain to me why? He's underacheived all year and hasn't gotten better at all IMO compared to his freshmen year. He is a nice defender, but he is an overrated athlete and is very weak physically. I remember when I was arging with some guy that Al-Farouq Aminu was a better prospect when they were freshmen. Was obviously right on that one lol.
Side note: Why is his jumper rated a 9/10? He has no jumper no speak of and no range at all. Just another reason why he shouldn't be a lottery pick. More like a mid-late first rounder.
WHY are u surprise? this is the same site that said adam morrison was the next larry bird..and deshawn stephenson was the next jordan
to be fair every site had morrison as being a very good player. ..half of the peopel on here cant really talk because they have alot of peopel in this years draft comparable to hall of famers and superstars.
as far as ebanks i can understand why they have him int he lotto. potential. just like why favors is in the lotto. potential
But Favors has much more potential.
Ebanks is in the lotto because he seems to have upside. He's a great defender, has the potential to play all the perimeter spots, and he's got nice size.He's not all that skilled offensively, but he does have good passing ability and he can make plays in transition. I'd take him in the late lotto or top 20 at worst.
which is why favors is projected higher and ebanks lower because he is said to have less potential
All I know is this...Whoever drafts the guy in the lottery will be extremely dissapointed. I see nothing more than a long somewhat athletic defender...I kind of see Corey Brewer in him, but heck...Corey Brewer is a way better athlete and was a better player in college. He's not very good in the NBA either LOL.
Derek Fisher may have something to say to that
DeShawn Stevenson was supposed to be the next MJ?? Seriously? Wow.
what does he do exactly better then favors other then rebound(which isnt a shock because of his size)..skill wise favors is below him. favors looks like a long athletic rebounder
We are comparing different position players. And to be honest, Favors upside is considerably higher than Ebanks. 2 years younger, already has an NBA ready body and is very athletic.
my thoughts on Favors. He's pretty raw. and He needs to stay another year.
i think its pretty logical to mention both.. neither have awholelot of skills at this point and both are talked about as far as potential because of there athletic ability. you take away that and neither would be talked about as lotto picks
and they are both in college. both being drafted becauseof there potentialand not what they can do in the nba from day one
But I think Favors can have a very good impact his rookie year (depending on where he does).
Ugh.. Okay.. Listen up.. I am an avid WVU fan and I am unbiased so this is the truth..
Devin Ebanks is a lottery pick based on potential and versatility.. When a scout looks at a player, and Adi can back me on this, they dont always look at how the player is playing on his current team.. They often look at how a player's skills would transfer to the next level. Devin would be showcased in the pro game where there is alot of transition play.. At WVU, I would say that around 75-80 percent of their offense comes on half court sets.. That, IMO, shows alot of Ebanks' weaknesses.. Such as creating his shot from outside the 3point line and making jumpers outside of 10 feet.. When Devin has had some of his better games, he has been playing against an up-tempo team that has forced WVU to run. When he is in the open floor, with or without the ball, this kid looks special. As mentioned before, he is a good defender, good rebounder, ball handler, and when he is playing good, he brings an intensity that is irreplaceable..
Now, on potential, Ebanks has a wide range of what he could be. He could be anything from the bum on the street to Cory Brewer, Nicholas Batum, Ronnie Brewer, who area all good role players. He could be a borderline all star like Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, and Rudy Gay. OR, he could be a superstar like Carmelo Anthony or Kevin Durant.
Dont kill me because of what I said he could be. I dont think he will ever be a superstar because most superstars can score the ball like crazy.. Those area all things he could be. He could develop a very nice stroke because he has good form and a quick release. He has a quick first step and creates well for others. The range of what could be is what makes GMs lick there chops when watching Ebanks.. Because in all honestly, he could be a player that can change a franchise, he can be your defensive stopper, he can be your Gerald Wallace. Or, if you waste a top pick on him, he could be what gets you fired because a superstar was drafted 23 spots behind him..
Just like alot of players, he is there simply because of potential. That is the bottom line..
Nice post man..However, as a Blazer fan...I think Batum will be much more than a role player. He's not a bum on the street. If Devin Ended up being Batum, than he should be a top-5-10 pick lol. I get what your saying though.
And Quincey, I'm not saying Favors is gonna dominate the league or anything. But he will contribute to a good extent his rookie year.
youre oneof the few who do think he will have a impact. althought scouts say he will go high each one seem to be in agree ment that its gonna take him at least a year or 2 before he contributes much. he has problems scoring in coollege and gets in alot of foul trouble. so imagin going against much better comp
I never said anything about what I kind of impact I thought he would have other than saying "I dont think he will ever be a superstar"... Why do you say that?
He is a lottery prospect for the same reason julian wright was a lottery prospect. But the sad part is, I doubt he'll be any better than julian wright, who's been a huge disappointment thus far. Ebanks is a guy who's just not ready to contribute. I always say this, I rather guys stay in school and work on your game while you are the #1 option and your constantly getting touches as opposed to being the 9th-12th man on an nba roster getting little to no minutes to improve your game. But like everyone else said, potential potential. Honestly I just don't see nothing overly crazy about this guy. If we didn't know who anyone's name was and where they were projected on mock drafts, we wouldn't think anything of Ebanks. He's a good solid contributor on a good college team, nothing else. He just doesn't come off as someone who's highly skilled. Midrange game is ok, which is prolly why he got a 9 on the shooting thing. He should stay till he's a senior. Hopefully Huggins could use Joe Alexander as a reason as to why he should stay. This guy Alexander didn't even get his option picked up for his 3rd yr, which is horrible for a #8 pick. This guy was an even better athlete, but he lacked skills and an NBA position. I see similar traits in Ebanks...
Right now though, Batum is a role player.. I am not talking about what he could be also, I wasnt trying to say that Batum is a bum because he is far from it..
Got ya...Taking all WVU bias aside, do you think Ebanks will be a good pro? Or is he another Julian Wright/Brewer?
I have said it before and I have thrown all kinds of numbers at people to support this, even though Im not a numbers guy, I think he is Ronnie Brewer made over.. Ronnie has the skill to play every position on the wing.. He can handle and distribute the ball like a PG, slash and run the floor like a 2 guard, and play on the block and defend the post like a 3 guard.. The only thing he doesnt do well is shoot.. I think Ebanks is Ronnie Brewer + rebounds. Maybe a watered down Gerald Wallace..
That is what I think. Depending on the team, you could use a lottery pick on that type of guy.. If you are looking for a superstar, pass on Ebanks. If you need a guy who is going to rebound, defend, and pass the ball to your star, grab Ebanks and hope he reaches his potential.. The thing that is going to bite people in their butts is they are going to expect alot out of Ebanks when he is more of a "get what you see" type of guy.
What about Butler? He is a great college player, but do you think he can play in the NBA? He is a great shooter and is a legit 6,6 and has a good, muscular frame. He seems like a defensive liability in the NBA though and I'm not sure he's tall enough to play SF or quick enough to play SG.
What are your thoughts?
He is actually the best defender we have outside of Ebanks.. Umm. He is not an athlete but he can get it done somehow.. I think he can play but he has to play off of a good scorer.. He would thrive beside Kobe (who wouldnt), Melo, Durant, ect.. He cant create his own shot much but he is a good shooter and a good scorer. He is the type of player who can do a little bit of everything.. That may be what hurts him thought.. Ya know, like "A Jack of all trades, a Master of none."
I compare him to Paul Pierce.. He will never be the player that Pierce is but he is that type of player. Can get a quiet 20, 5, and 5.. Could be a good player off the bench but never anything spectacular.. Just for the people that dont know this about Butler, he is top 5 all time in WVU scoring history. As a Freshman, he was a SF, sophomore, he was a PF, Junior, he was a SG, and this year, he has started at the PG for a few games.. He is versatile..
I really like his game. He can be a good 6th/7th man. Wouldn't be suprised if the Cavs/Lakers took interest into this guy.
Lastly (lol I turned this into a WVU prospect thread) what do you think of Kevin Jones?
Umm.. Jones Jones Jones.. He needs to improve on alot of things.. He is a terrible ball handler.. Not a great athlete but has good timing for rebounds and blocks.. Super super aggressive.. Nice sigma move, which translates well and good range..
He reminds me of a slim Paul Milsap.. Short, aggressive and has some range.. As an NBA player, if he is your starting PF, if he stays the same player he is now, your hurting as a team.. He could be a good role player if he keeps adding weight and develops more.. I think he is a Kris Humprhies type player as of now. He wont come out until he is a senior so he has alot of time to develop. If Patrick Patterson has a productive 2 years, his stock will rise.
BTW, I meant Humphries like he is playing right now, with the Nets.
I think the Jones could be a Cliff Robinson type of player if he can get some game off the dribble. He may be more physical than Robinson. Will he play in the NBA?? Yes, barring some injury. Will he be a star, probably not.
Have the same last name. He will be the next Tim Duncan...lol joking. I really like his game. Kind of a mismatch threat.
Yea.. The only thing is that he is only like 6'7 or 6'8.. He cant be your SF because he cant dribble. I do like is sigma move though. It is quick, subtle, and effective.. I hope he does well and I hope he excels as, potentially, the number one option next year.