Jrue Holiday
there is a difference between 19 years old and 21 or 22 years old. its called physical and mental maturity. i am 21 years old and i can tell u right now i am alot bigger and stronger than i was at 19 and i dont work out with weights. just naturally i gained about 15 to 20 pounds of muscle with everyday activities. oh i worked at lowes in the lumber yard but jrue is on an nba team where he gets paid to work out. that 2 years is a big difference. and i know i can talk about jrue and greg oden realistically because i never said either would be great. jrue at worst in my opinion is going to be a 8ppg 3rpg 4apg with a steal off the bench in about 22mpg. and that is with solid defense too. i dont think he is going to be an all star i dont think he will ever average more than 13ppg in a season but dont tell me he cant be a long term effective nba player. and greg oden when healthy can be a better version of brendan haywood. thats not an all star but its a good piece for a good team. why do we always want to bash guys who had alot of hype and come into the nba as hard working role players? fact is 98% of players drafted are never allstars most become role players or dont make it. i mean drew gooden was a top 5 pick and has been nothing but a role player but almost any team in the league could use him. jrue was a great hs player but so was everyone that plays in the nba give the kid a chance before we write him off.
It's only hating if what I'm saying isn't true.
I said he has a game like this every one in a while. I also gave him credit for his on-ball defense, which is realistically the only thing he does at more than a mediocre level on a consistent basis.
Yes, he had a good game today. I didn't deny that at all. I'm not going to jerk myself off about this one game like y'all are trying to do though, because I've seen these kinds of games way less than I've seen him get like 5 or 6 points and 2 or 3 assists.
there is a difference between 19 years old and 21 or 22 years old. its called physical and mental maturity. i am 21 years old and i can tell u right now i am alot bigger and stronger than i was at 19 and i dont work out with weights. just naturally i gained about 15 to 20 pounds of muscle with everyday activities. oh i worked at lowes in the lumber yard but jrue is on an nba team where he gets paid to work out. that 2 years is a big difference. and i know i can talk about jrue and greg oden realistically because i never said either would be great. jrue at worst in my opinion is going to be a 8ppg 3rpg 4apg with a steal off the bench in about 22mpg. and that is with solid defense too. i dont think he is going to be an all star i dont think he will ever average more than 13ppg in a season but dont tell me he cant be a long term effective nba player. and greg oden when healthy can be a better version of brendan haywood. thats not an all star but its a good piece for a good team. why do we always want to bash guys who had alot of hype and come into the nba as hard working role players? fact is 98% of players drafted are never allstars most become role players or dont make it. i mean drew gooden was a top 5 pick and has been nothing but a role player but almost any team in the league could use him. jrue was a great hs player but so was everyone that plays in the nba give the kid a chance before we write him off.
trinajoe, the issue is when your dubbed as the next Bill Russell b4 you stepped on an nba court, and you have a round table discussions with the great big men to ever play in the league, a lot is expected of you. Oh yea, being the #1 pick certainly doesn't lower the bar in any aspect also. We understand not everyone is an all star, and most work out to be role players, but that doesn't mean we should lower expectations on highly thought of and highly drafted guys for that reason alone. Jrue Holiday was more of a disappointment to me in college. He really did nothing for that university to just bolt like that after one year. And the few rumors I heard from his camp that the system was holding him back was garbage. DC proved to be an all american guard outta that system and kevin love was the 5th pick, westbrook 4th. But in regards to him in the nba, he'll be a solid role player, nothing crazy. He'll be able to contribute and should be an nba caliber guard as his career progresses and may start consistently at some point, who knows...
scoutguru, in regards to your comments on the ucla system not holding him back, i have to disagree.
Westbrook didn't even play his freshman year and a lot of people thought him going top 5 was a mistake.
Everyone ripped on the wolves trading mayo for love and said love was not worth the top 5 pick.
Ryan hollins was a second rounder who was never supposed to see an nba pay check
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute was another second rounder who was never supposed to see the court.
Jordan Farmar and Aran Afllalo were both late 1st rounders who were not expected to do much in the nba and numerous scouts called both those guys euro league players.
Darren Collison has been as impressive as any rookie in the league this year when given minutes.
jrue holiday was expected to ride the bench but instead he has earned a starting job and shown great promise for the sixers.
I think the UCLA Bruins under Ben Howland prove they are more nba ready then any other college program
Is a great program man...I am a pac-10 guy (even though my team is UNC) and UCLA is a powerhouse. Ben Howland is a great coach. UCLA will be ranked next year and could be dangerous next year in the tournament.
The Pac-10 will be back next year...Hopefully LOL.
yeah, im not gonna predict anything crazy for the pac 10 next year, but you have to be crazy if you don't think it will bounce back.
UCLA and Stanford both have top 15 recruiting classes as well as solid returining players. Washington State returns their top 4 players including Klay Thompson who is a potential nba player. Arizona returns 9 of their top 10 players minus only Nic Wise and Freshman Derrick Willimas should be good for 20-10 next year. The confernce is gonna be fine.
actually jru was expected to be very very good from the jump... dont you remember all the articles before his workouts before the draft?..top 5 pick this and that. there were many arguements about that.then he had so so workouts and dropped and hes been playing just like a player picked where he was pick usually plays. not horrible but not special
The thing is a lot of people looked at potential and hes players like hes worthy of the spot, with a lot more potential. Plus Iggy seems to think he was a garbage pick im not necessarily saying hes the next Steve Nash or something but hes playing pretty well, especially lately.
man i wish i would have watched more of him this season so i could get in on this debate..all i can do is go by stats and the lil bit of what ive seen of him. not enough to really debate:(..lol