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Sylven Landesberg suspended for the rest of the season

Landesberg has been suspended for the remainder of the season for failing to meet academic obligations.

What does this mean for Landesberg?  Is he finished for good at Virginia?  Would it be best if he entered the 2010 draft? 

Personally I think he should go pro now.  He really can't prove much more in college.  I don't see his stock getting higher by returning for another season or two.   


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He'll declare. I'm pretty

He'll declare. I'm pretty sure he will. And Virginia will lose miserably in there last games of the season

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declare is the best option

It's clear this guy really doesn't have what it takes to get it done in the class room and doesnt want to risk this happening in further years at UVA and further hurting his draft status. He's a second rounder right now and its a shame cuz i thought he could take virginia to the big dance in his jr or sr years.

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now why exactly would he

now why exactly would he declare?...hesonly a soph. all he has to do is go to summer school and get his grades up. i hope his friends or family isnt giving him this same dumb advice to go in the draft. he has awholelot to prove like leading his team to a ncaa tournament and helping his draft stock because he could easily go late second round. it would be different if he was a old soph or lead his teamto a deep run in the tournament but he hasnt so his stockcan get alot better then it is now

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Quincey- Have you seen him

Quincey- Have you seen him play?

It isn't dumb advice. I think Landesberg is a 1st Round pick... & his stock can't get much higher.  Simple as that. 

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umm yeah it was.. you think

umm yeah it was.. you think he is a 1st rounder. scouts ont he other hand say hes a boarderline early second round pick. how cant asoph's game not get any better?. hes not flawless he has a coupel of things he could get better at like shooting defense, leading his team. this is the advice alot of guys thinking they are firstrounders get and endup putting there name in and then going second round. i dont know why you think this guy has maxed his talent at the age of 19.20, or even 21. hell a perfect example is vasquez who ccame back and rasied his stock and he doesnt even have the raw ability that this guy has. or how about jamer nelson who went back and raised his stock or nate robinson. how is it a good idea if you are a boarderline first rounder at best and youre only a sophmore?

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There really isn't a point

There really isn't a point in him returning Quincey. It's not only about the grades with him, it's about Virginia not being good next year and him not having anything to prove in terms of production. He's improved his shot, and that was the main thing holding back his NBA potential, so I think he'd be wise to declare.

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matter of fact hes

matter of fact hes considered by sites, who talk to nba scouts, as a second rounder in the 2011 draft. he hasnt had the year of a first rounder this year. if he had then it would make sense to tell him to go in the draft

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thats when you make the team

thats when you make the team good ala j. nelson. they have more talent then maryland on that team. guys get better during the summer on top of him only being a soph. and the guy can get alot better. so yeah he can improve and his team can improve. please tell me ya'll are joking. no scout has him as a first rounder and he didnt have a first round year

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and hes only

and hes only 19......19...are you serious he cant get better????

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impretty sure he has smart

impretty sure he has smart peopel in his corner telling him to go to workout and get info on his draft status after his workouts. thats what that option is for. makes no sense to just put youre name in the draft when youre stock isnt that high and when you can get go to workout and if you didnt raise youre stock you can go back to school

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He can go in the 1st round.

He can go in the 1st round. I don't think it's impossible for him to be a 1st rounder, but I don't think it's carved in stone either. He's made some necessary improvements from last year to be a 1st rounder though. He isn't a great 3-ball shooter, but he can shoot from about 15-18 feet consistently from what I've seen this year. There is a chance he slips in the 2nd round, but he can make a roster easily for a team and be a good role player. The rookie contract isn't as important as the 2nd deal is anyway, especially for a guy that'll likely be a late 1st or early 2nd round pick. So money should be the last thing on his mind

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so let me get this straight.

so let me get this straight. it makes more since to hire a agent and go in the draft if you are boarderline over testing the draft and going to workouts and if youre stock doesnt rise go back to school?...riiiiiiiiiiight..... please tell me ya'll are kidding?..its not about where fans think you can go its about what scouts and gm's think you can go

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Landesberg can get better
Landesberg can get better but not enough to raise his stock much higher, I don't think.  Landesberg has a very polished game already.  Aran has told me personally that scouts worry about his upside.  Getting older isn't going to help his stock.
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thats why you tes the

thats why you tes the waters.you dont jump straight in. scouts said pysco t,j.nelson,vasquez,nate are all second rounders maybe end of first. each came back lead there team further then people expected and went higher the next year(vasquez still in college of course but his stock has went up from coming back). thats why i say it would be dumb which it would be. liek i said before you test the waters get feed back and if you arent a sure thing for first roudn you come back lead youre team further then what peopel thought and then youre stock rises. going from 19-20 is not gonna make that much of a difference

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No one doubts that he can

No one doubts that he can get better, but it's about just how much. I don't think he's going to get a great deal better than he is right now, so it would be wise to declare. He's not going to be more than a role player who makes open shots and creates off the dribble. He already has some solid skills, and all of his weaknesses could all be improved in the NBA just as easily as they can be in college. Plus, why return and damage your stock by playing another year?

He'll probably declare for the draft, I don't see why that's so hard for you to believe. Whether he gets an agent immediately is unknown, but I don't think there is a prospect out there that would get an agent off the ball without knowing they will be a lottery pick.

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I said he'd declare. I agree

I said he'd declare. I agree he would be wise to workout and stuff before he signs and agent, and I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he'll do. But he'll declare either way. He's too borderline to sign an agent immediately.

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ok that makes more sense.. i

ok that makes more sense.. i still dont think he declares. doesnt have to because he still has 2 years left

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i cant even find anywhere

i cant even find anywhere that has him as a first rounder. the sites that deals with scouts or the ones that dont. i cant even think of who he would replace in the first round potentially

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He would replace Vasquez LOL
He would replace Vasquez LOL
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not to mention they return

not to mention they return there top 5 players next year plus add 2 guys ranked in the top 100. i mean its not like they lose everyone on the team

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lol..riiiiiiiight because he

lol..riiiiiiiight because he has shown to be better then vasquez huh..lol. he needs to watch vasquez and see what comign back and leading youre team can do to youre draft stock. like i said if his people tells him to go and hire a agent without first testing the waters then they are dumb

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I don't think anybody really

I don't think anybody really knows who's projected to be a late 1st round pick, so I don't know who he'll replace either. But there is basically no point in him returning to Virginia next season. For what? Everything he needs to improve can be improved in the NBA, and it's not like Virginia will be a contender next year and he's been productive enough to declare. He can definitely be a 1st rounder. No one though Quincy Douby, George Hill, Aaron Brooks, Jason Thompson, Toney Douglas, Alando Tucker, Christian Eyenga etc etc would be 1st rounders either. But guess what, they all were 1st rounders

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the year they declared they

the year they declared they were projected first rounders. hes not. hes a boarder line.. and wasnt quincy a sr?..matter of fact how many of those guys were srs?..this guy is a soph and you dont knowif virgina wont be good. they return there top 5 players so youre basing them not being good next year on what? liek i said it would be DUMB to just go in the draft without testing it. we make post about guys coming out too early all the time and being dumb for not testing the water first. if you are a boarderline first rounder at best then it is dumb to not test the waters. whts the worst that can happen?..teams tell you you are a second rounder and you go back to school and work on the parts of youre game that they tell you to work on. whats thw orst that happens when you get a agent?..have a bad workout dont get drafted and dont get the breaks to make a team and end up overseas playing for alot less money. this isnt even a arguement because testing makes sense and just going doesnt

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and now imagin if all those

and now imagin if all those guys you named( pretty sure they were all sr's) went in the draft the year before?.then they might not have eeven made it int he nba. its different when you are a sr... you have no other option but to go in the draft

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Quincey Douby was a Junior

Quincey Douby was a Junior and Eyenga was from Europe, but the rest of those guys were seniors. Not that that has much to do with anything, but yes, they were seniors.

And I don't know why your saying it would be dumb to declare without testing 1st. I have said that I agree with that and that he will do that I'm sure.

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I don't pay a lot of

I don't pay a lot of attention to these mock drafts.  I just go by my own personal opinion (which can certainly be wrong) based on the games I've seen.  I'm high on Landesberg as a player & a prospect. I would take him over a lot of guys currently in the 1st round mock on this site.  A lot of the guys currently in the 2nd round are better than guys in the 1st

You are right Quincey though...he should test the waters. I won't argue with that at all.  If he gets negative reports from GMs & scouts than he has to go back to school.  I just expect him to get good news from scouts & enter the draft.   I think his stock has pretty much peaked.

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ok now ya'll make sense with

ok now ya'll make sense with the testing the waters

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I have seen a few UVA games

I have seen a few UVA games and Landesberg has a silky smooth game...George Hill is great comparison....and yes i agree there is no point in him coming back to a UVA squad that is mediocre team and lacks depth..He's young and has real upside he might aswell sharpen his game at the next level

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the team wasnt that good

the team wasnt that good this year but returns there top 5 players so how does that make sense not to return to a team like that?..howmany teams are just ok or average one year then return most of there team and are better the next year?..sometimes i wonder when people make comments like "they arent that good and cant get better" when its not a team full of sr's. i guess that florida team that won the title was just so great the year before they won the title. schyer and shingler prob should have left last year because duke was as good as they were gonna be last year.. its not liek every team in the acc is gonna get a bunch of allamericans next year. alot of teams are losing alot more then virgina as far as important players. yeah theres no way virgina can possibly be better by brining back there top players and 2 top 100 players while other teams will lose more important players then them. what was i thinking, main case of when peopel say playerslisten to the wrong people. the only people i hope he listens to is the scouts to determine what he shoulddo with his career since they are the only people that matter, not fans

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All of those teams knew they

All of those teams knew they would be good the next year though. Virginia doesn't have the pieces this year or next year to make a run for the title that Duke or Florida does/did. Florida had 4 and 5 star recruits, McDonald's All-Americans, up and down their roster and Duke does/did too. Do you really see Virginia having the pieces to contend for a title next year? Yes, they have a top 50 prospect and the number 99 prospect in the class, but do you really think that they will compete for a title next year by bringing in those 2 guys? They probably won't even get to the NCAA tourny next year if you want to be realistic about everything.

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no one knows if they have

no one knows if they have the players to do it. you dont and i dont. no one thought we had the players either and look how we finished tied for number one in the acc. no one thought unc would be this bad or the cuse would be this good. so saying they wont be better next year makes no senses. there talentisnt horrible. hell we had a time with them the last ame even without there star player. makes no sense to say a teamwont get better the next year when youre dealing with young kids who havent reached there potential yet.

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and what does having the

and what does having the 5star recruits that florida have really mean?..the cuse had no players in the top 100 and now they are fighting for a number one seed. every single year teams get further then what was projected because players get better. the only person who can say that a team wont get better is someone who can tell the future. and players who are stars can make average team better and thats what nba teams like to see. thats how you raise you draft stock. and extra practice time cant replace actual game experience

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which is another reason he

which is another reason he isnt projected first round. putting up good numbers on a bad team doesnt help. putting up those same numbers while leading youre team to wins helps a whole lot. thats something 99 percent of first round draft picks have in common. leading there teams to wins. how many players on teams with losing records go first round?

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He's still worthy of being a

He's still worthy of being a 1st round pick. All that putting up good numbers on a bad team has more to with his bad team than him being inefficient or taking a bunch of terrible shots. He's not a Monta Ellis type of good player on a bad team, Virginia just sucks. Quick, I dare you, name 1 person on Virginia's team besides him.

I'm sure NBA scouts like it when a player can make an average team better, but that's when they're looking for a superstar prospect or highly regarded prospect. Landesburg is not projected to be more than a role-player in the NBA, possibly not even a starter.

Also, Virginia is not an average team. Have you seen them play before? Because they are a below average team, and they don't have very good coaching.

Florida recruited towards being a title contender. Them getting 5-star recruits showed that. They recruited prospects with alot of upside and ability to build a title team. Joakim Noah, Corey Brewer, Al Horford and Taurean Green and Chris Richards were all players that fit in with Donovan and were talented. Hence the recruiting accolades they got at Florida with that class(es) and how highly ranked most of those guys were.

Good for Syracuse not getting any top 100 recruits. That's a great accomplishment. Happens every blue moon that a team wins a title like that though. There has only been 1 team to win a title without any McDonald's All-American on their roster since the game was brought into existence, and that was the 2002 Maryland tema

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same can be said abou

same can be said abou maryland this year ..oher then vasquez no one could name another player on the roster....i asked and only maryland fans and diehard fans culd. as far as virgina i do know about the jeff kid. i even asked my bothers old coach who has nba connections from being a scout.. this kid is a second round pick. mid second round right now and that making a bad team good looks very well in the eyes of nba teams even if the player is just gonna be a role player. asked my old coach who also said going in the draft is a very bad idea for a soph if they arent even a sure thing as a first rounder. many people including you have even said in the past that if youre not a sure first rounder then you shouldnt go in the draft. and every team builds towards winning a title. billy didnt expect to win one in florida with that team and hes said as much. just because a team isnt good one year doesnt mean they wont be good the next year. remeber george mason?..gonzaga before they went on that deep run? they werent excpected to go that far. and how many teams in a major onference return there top 5 players and end up being worst? youre looking at things as a fan and not reality. in reality he is viewed as a second rounder. through youre fan eyes you see him as a first rounder. you have to learn to seperate that. im a big fan of vasquez but i knew he was a boarderline first rounder at best and scouts told him as much as well and he came back and proved he could be a that. there are too many guys in the ncaa who do what this guy does thats why hes a second rounder. and he knows it too which is why he is still going to class. thankfully he lsitened to the right people and got the right advice

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and name me one first

and name me one first rounder who put up good numbers on a bad team

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I'll name more than 1

Quincy Douby, Stephen Curry last season, Anthony Randolph, George Hill, J.R. Giddens, Morris Almond, Wilson Chandler, Renaldo Balkman. All 1st rounders on bad teams the year they declared.

Do ytou really believe Virginia is the next 2002 Maryland team next year?? Or the next George Mason?? Are you being serious right now.

And Virginia doesn't have anyone that will get draft next year. I guarantee you that.

Don't be surprised if Landesburg is a 1st round pick. I'm not a real fan of him at all actually. I've seen him play, but he's not a guy that's out of the question of being a 1st round pick in this draft. He's not a surefire 1st rounder, but I've already said that. He's definitely got a chance to be a 1st round pick though.

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those werent bad

those werent bad teams..lol..didnt they all have winning or better records?..and stephen curry was a lock for first round as well as randolph almond chandler. lol..come on now youre really reaching. douby had a much better season as well. new mexico wasnt bad..as a matter of fact none of these teams were as bad a virgina. u have to just accept the fact that this guy is a second rounder no matter how much you wish he wasnt. ifhe has a good workout that can change but rightnow hes only a second rounder....lol..i mean reallyyou put him int he same catagory as stephen curry and randolph...2 guys who were lotto locks

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and whos comparing him to

and whos comparing him to those teams. im making a point that you cant say a team is not gonna get better because you dont know that. youre not a scout nor coach nor able to tell the future so theres no way you can know if a team will be better next year. the only thing you can do is guess just like the rest of us and youre guess is that they wont be better next year. i could say many peopel can be first rounders but that wont make it true. hes a second rounder unless he wows guys in workouts and or the predraft camp (hed be dumb not to go)

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and ill say this again..any

and ill say this again..any guy who is projected as a second or late first is DUMB to go in the draft unless its jus to test it. thats common sense and thats what the rules to test the draft was made for.

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Most of those teams weren't

Most of those teams weren't as bad as Virginia, but all of them weren't NCAA tourny teams. Rutgers (Quincey Douby), IUPUI, (George Hill) South Carolina (Balkman) and LSU (Anthony Randolph) actually had losing records. Rice (Almond) was 16-16.

Stephen Curry's Davidson team wasn't bad last year. They were an NIT team. And lost only 7 games. my bad.

I don't know why you keep saying "if you a late 1st or 2nd round prospect it would be dumb to declare without signing an agent". I have addressed that now for the 3rd time.

"i mean reallyyou put him int he same catagory as stephen curry and randolph...2 guys who were lotto locks"

You said name 1 guy who was a 1st rounder on a bad team. So I named players. I was answering what you put out there.

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one thing you must have

one thing you must have forgotten...all those guys went to camp and did work...and had great workouts. so liek i said before..unless he has a great camp or workout its a dumb move. without those things those guys wouldnt have went first round just like this guy. so if he were to go( which at this point he has smart people telling himnot to) then he would have to do exactly what i said which is have a great camp or great workout

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He's going to declare. He's

He's going to declare. He's not going to sign with an agent immediately.

No. I didn't forget. I keep saying that he's got a chance to be a 1st round pick, but it's not carved in stone. He's going to have to do all the same things everyone who declares has to do, I don't think he can walk on water, but I do think he'll do just fine and be a player that will get drafted and play in the NBA. Whether as a 1st or 2nd rounder.

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so you know hes going to

so you know hes going to declare now..and how exactly do you know this?...and yeah he couldgo first round with a good camp and workout just liek many other second rounders

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its usually kinda hard for a

its usually kinda hard for a sg with just ok ahletisim and average 3pt shot while not dominating on a bad team to get in the first round

his season has been pretty unimpressive considering there schedule is soft as charmin and the acc is down. his numbers are also unimpressive for a guy who has the green light. maybe youreright he should go in the draft since he hasnt done much and in another year teams will see how more unimpressive he is

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You don't think Landesburg

You don't think Landesburg will declare at all??

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C'mon now....Landesberg has

C'mon now....

Landesberg has been impressive.  That just shows you haven't seen him play many games if it all.  Opposing teams key on him defensively & they still can't stop him.  He can score in a variety of ways.   

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His stats haven't been

His stats haven't been unimpressive at all for a guy that is a projected role player at the next level. He's not given the green light to just do whatever he wants like Evan Turner or John Wall. He plays off the ball for Virginia and rarely ever plays PG, so lets not think that he just gets the ball and shoots shot after shot. I don't think you've watched him play much if at all, because you wouldn't say his stats are unimpressive or he's unimpressive if you had watched him play this season. He's clearly a player that needs another good player to show his real NBA value, as he's not a player that will be asked to score as much in the NBA as he does now. But you'd feel bad for him playing for Virginia if you watch him play. They have a serious lack of talent on their team.

All of his weaknesses can be improved in the NBA. So I don't think he's as "unimpresive" as your making him out to be

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yep 17 a game on a team with

yep 17 a game on a team with a losing record is unimpressive. making 23 threes out of 27 games as the star shooting guard isnt impressive to me. and being a nba role player is prob one reason why he is projected as a second rounder. you can get many role players in the second round. im not the one whomatters as far as saying hes a second rounder..scouts are and thats where they project himso hes obviously not impressing them as well as you all. qucy was on a bad team but very impressive. george hill same way, steph curry. this guy isnt doing anything any different then elijah millsap. yeah he wont ask to score in the nba so what else does he do that is on the nba level?..rebound,ast,steal,blk,defense?

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every players weakness can

every players weakness can be improved in the nba so thats not really saying much. and other teams cant stop him?...yeah 17 a game is so unstoppable. when you are on a team that bad you shouldbe putting up better numbers then that. should be putting up harangody numbers like hes done through his career when his teams were good or bad. i understand why hes listed as a second rounder. after his freshman year he was thought to be a first rounder but his game hasnt changed like they thought it wouldand his numbers didnt improve like expected so i can understand ifscouts are wondering howmuch more this guy can improve

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