Dallas Mavericks WOW, they are looking good for the present and the future.
They have drafted well this year and gotten some solid players in trades and they still got someone overseas and this years draft to get younger quality players. Butler and Beaubois are the future plus anyone else added later. Haywood should give you 5 more solid years. Dirk should give you about 4 or 5 more since his game is more about shooting than banging. Marion should give you maybe 3 good years and Kidd maybe 2 with some back up for the 3rd year Terry is solid off the bench but for how long I dont know. They are drafting well and can alway pick up people so I know in 3 years they will have a young solid crew or cheap vets in their mid 20's.
Beaubois to me could be better than Parker because he can already shoot now.
I think they're a very good team now and could challenge the Lakers this season, but I'm not sold on their future.
Caron is turning 29 this month, so I can't really say he's the future. Can't say Haywood has five solid years left since he's 30. Shawn Marion is 31 years old, a shell of his former self and they owe him A LOT of money. His contract doesn't expire until 2013/2014. Haywood is in the last year of his contract, so Cuban will probably over pay him for the next three-four years too.
I do like Beaubois though. I think he has the talent to be a top ten point guard one day.
Age is haunting them though.........in three years? Kidd will be 39-40 and only goin 30 a game at best. Marion will be 34 with 2 years left on a bad contract, Terry will be old for a guard and Dirk will be completely done with his best days. The center position will be up in the air with Dampier gone and Haywood an unrestricted FA this summer, and Butler has already played his best basketball and will only have 2-3 more years of steady production.
Discounting Beaubois, the youngest player on the roster is JJ at 25.....and considering the league average is 26 thats not a plus. The rest of the roster is the same veteran mix that changes year to year based on need and roles.
So I disagree that the future looks good (its ok at best) but I do share your enthusiasm for Beaubois, the Mavs really hit on a winner there and he will be fun to watch play now and in the coming years.
I also noticed they don't have a first round pick this year... It goes to New Jersey due to the Jason Kidd trade a few years back.
I don't think money would be an issue for the Dallas Mavs. Mark Cuban would spend whatever it takes to build a winning team, so those contracts wouldn't really be a problem to the Mavs. They are also willing to take on someone else's contract without getting completely squeezed.
The Mavs would be a good team, just not sure if they can be champion though. A lot of things need to work out for the Mavs to be champion. Mark Cuban had been very vocal in the past and made a lot of enermies in the league. I certainly think the Refs probably did them some unjustice. Mark Cuban did learn to turn low key on these stuffs though. Although I am not a Mavs fans, I do want to see them win a champ more than the Celtics and the Lakers.
Butler will play pretty well into his mid 30's look at Vince carter who relies on athleticism. Haywood is a big man and big men tend to play well into their late if 30's look at big shaq at 37 or so carrying all them pounds. Marion still has 3 good years left in him. his deal is not that bad considering he is a guy that plays his role. His contract should end around the time his value is great decreased. Terry takes care of himself and is not a guy that relies on athletism so he has a good 2 maybe 3 years and going to the bench may have given him extra years considering he does not play as many minutes as a lot of starters. Most good Euro players can play well into their late 30's so Dirk should be okay. I think people are overblowing this age thing. Age hurt Celtics because they rely on defense and to some degree defense take a lot of energy and older vet like KG can no sustain that and Wallace is too lazy at times and Pierce and Allen were never really strong defenders but they are decent now with a game plan. If you look at the style of play Mavs should be pretty good outside of Kidd. Marion is showing that he is average right now compare to his past but he plays a position that is the most easily replaced and who knows maybe like Grant Hill he can play well into his late 30's. Also Cuban knows how to sign some nice bargain guys like he did this past summer and money buys draft picks. There are a lot of team with multiple draft picks that can not afford to keep them this year so Cuban will probably wind up with at least one first rounder but if you look at their roster it is structure to keep them in good shape. Only black mark is Dampier and he is on his way out.
if they are gonna do soomething then they better do it in the next 2 years. marions game has gone down every year of late. kidd is still good but hes gonna slow down because of age which is natural. i still think the lakers beat themthough but i do think they will give them a good run. if they get to the lakers though because they would have to beat the nuggets first
Yea... Ever since Marion left Phoenix (and Steve Nash) his game has gone down every year. IF they're going to do anything, I agree that it'd better be in the next two seasons. After that, they're window will start to close significantly.
Having Dampier healthy against the Laker bigs would be a big help just Haywood would be tough.
First I can't say that the future of the oldest team in the league is bright,But I don't think it is bad
1-many players in the team will give us more in the next few years(2-3 )
Marion isn't what he was?sure that why he isn't paid 17M anymore ,look don't get me wrong but Marion will be our Stackhouse ,our defender who can put 10pt every night ,Stackhouse done it from the bench while Marion is doing that from starting spot but I think he will be our 6th man man next season
he is little overpaid for now but he could be really overpaid depending on the next CBA
Butler&Haywood contracts are friendly and a lot of things can happen in the next summer ,we may overpay them which could destroy the future,also Dirk contracts ends in 2011 with termination option next summer,he said he is ready to take pay cut to help team,well he?
for our young guys,the mavs didn't take care of the draft since 2004(Harris)until 2009 and they have even traded Harris for old Kidd(who is amazing btw)
in 2009 we got Beaubois who is our future PG and his potential is really good(could be an All star but that is not a sure thing) ,Calethas(I don't like him but I think he will have some Value from the bench or a good filler in a trade and Nivins who I see a new Bass in him
they have done that with cash and there 22nd pick ,Sure I wanted them to pay more money and get Thornton&Blair but at the end we still had a very good draft day
my point is when the mavs took care of the draft they can be good and found some steals,the Mavs are for sure aware of their age and I think they will keep caring of the Draft in the next few years
there was many reporters that they are aggressively trying to get Petteri Koponen from Portland (Blazzers wants him to stay more overseas and he wants to come to the NBA) ,there was a report about teams that scouting Wesley Johnson and the mavs are one of them
I am not saying the mavs will get one of the 2 above but It shows that they are aware of their need for youth and they will do that whether it is this year or next
i doubt that the mavs scouted him. chances are they were scouting one of the other cuse players. somepeople think that if a teamscout is there then they are scouting the best player but if its a playoff team then they are scouting the second or third best player who they can get in the late first or second round
The Mavericks have assembled a very good regular season team. They are deep enough so that they can overcome all the lulls that thinner teams take because they go 10 deep. They don't have to press Jason Kidd during the regular season. If Dampier or Haywood are dinged up, they can be rested. San Antonio takes the same approach to resting their main guys during the season, but they aren't deep enough to win at the same rate. It has little to do, however, with either team's chances at winning the title. When the playoffs come, San Antonio is still going to throw out its best seven or eight guys. Their eight man rotation is just as good as that of Dallas, but the Mavericks are significantly better from 9 to 14. So I wouldn't make too much of the current streak.
Also, the future is not as bright as some think. They have eight guys who are 30 years of age or older, and Caron Butler turns 30 this month. While everyone ages differently and career arcs vary, this isn't a healthy sign. To say Roddy Beaubois is the future is silly. Unless you think he is the next Allen Iverson, he isn't going to carry a team. Everything is going to follow the health and sustained play of Dirk and Kidd. Once Dirk declines, the Mavericks will decline. The only way this is altered is if they can package Dampier's non-guaranteed deal and come away with an up-and-comer in his 20s who will be able to take the lead role from Dirk in a couple seasons.
thats true. what really matters is youre top 8 because teams shorten there bench in the playoffs. the star players play more min so it doesnt make sense to go deep in youre bench and risk oure starters or 6,7 man getting out of sinc