I think this kid is running into the rookie mountain. Its like the rookie wall but worse.. I think all he needs is some of MJ's Secret Stuff to get him out if this funk.. I mean, it worked for Tweetie and Bugs..
ridnour is playing well as the backup. Tonight he had 9 points and 6 assists in just 13 minutes off the bench.
Jennings shot 50% from three for November, which was obviously his best month. His floater and mid-range jumper were also falling at a respectable rate. The main reason for his decrease in scoring is the fact that he doesn't go to the hoop nearly as often as he should. When he does, his lack of size and strength prevents him from being a good finisher. He should take a couple of moves from Chris Paul. Anyways, I'm sure people won't mind his sub-par shooting too much if the Bucks can hold on to their playoff spot.
lol...run into a mountain..yeah it seems liek hes run into that scoring wise. as far as running the team finding open guys playing pretty good defense hes been pretty good but his shooting has been god awful
at least he knows exactly what he needs to work on this summer. at least he can still get open for the shots just cant seem to make them
Sometimes players have good games because they're unknown, so no one knows how to properly plan to guard them right off the bat, especially in the case of rookies, and even more so one who didn't play in college and went to Europe.
Didn't Donte Greene have a 40 or 50 point game last year? Now where is he? Lol.
greenes playing pretty well from what i hear. and he had a 50point game in the nba summer leauge
I like the mountain quote. The thing is, if you listen to veteran players they all say the season is a marathon, not a sprint and you need to conserve your energy. It's possible [not saying this is the case] that Jennings pushed too hard, too fast. Or, maybe he's just a kid that needs to add 10lbs of muscle to handle the rigours of the season and stop relying so much on his jumper. He's possibly the fastest player in the league right now and his handle, first step and athleticism are off the charts, so why not use 'em? Don't know if ya'll remember, but he took a monster foul in the summer league and he seems to have been less aggressive going to the rack since. Maybe I'm connecting imaginary dots...
Curry has passed him as the 2nd best rookie this year..Even though i think Jennings will have the better career..He's going have to re-adjust his game ..Now that teams are starting to gear their defense toward stopping him....Playing over seas have matured him..I'm sure he won't get down becuz of it...He's going to have to shoot his way out of this funk
this is just findin other ways to be successful.....most players have it backwards..they know how to score but not how to run a team...this guy know how to run a team but he is struggling with his shooting..he is in a really good shape
The draft would be really weak if Jenning was the 2nd best rookie his numbers really fallen off look at his fg% every month dropping.
Rookie wall after 15 games, the rest of the league caught on it seems.
The assts are nice but he's averaging 6 a game nothing special for a PG.
The Bucks win becaz of Bogut he's having a break out year and John Salmons has been a big addition for them so far 7-1 since the trade. He's averaging 20 ppg for them and shooting around 48%.
what happend is teams didnt know how to gaurd him in the beginning due to lack of scouting reports.... now that theyve got em... they shut him down every time...
This is ridiculous. No one is "shutting him down". He's getting his shot at the same clip he was earlier in the season, the difference is they're not falling for him right now. That'll come with strength and maturity. He'll still end the year at 16 and 6 and take his team to the playoffs.
i dont see why this would be a weak rookie class if he was second considering he has lead a team considered to be a lotto team in a fight to the playoffs. yeah to fans numbers are soooo important but to players and teams leading a team to the playoffs is wayyy more important. im sure evanas and curry would give up some of there numbers to be in the running for the playoffs
did you say 6 assist is average for a pg..is it average for a rookie pg?
and i agree with you whitflash..nobody is stoppin this guy...his shot just isnt falling..he isnt gettin blocked or getting push around on d..he is holdin his own...
Exactly. There's nothing average about what he's doing. He's leading a broken team into the playoffs and putting up damn good numbers while he's at it. He's still getting anywhere he wants when he wants and still gets his shot anytime he feels like it. He just isn't hitting. Maybe it's a wall [or a mountain like someone else said], maybe he's just out of his groove, who knows. All I know is his team is winning and he's one of the major reasons why. If the NBA won't vote a player with great numbers on a bad team into the ALL-STAR game then they shouldn't award one the ROY either. If the Bucks get into the playoffs he should be rookie of the year.
He's not even close to being as good as Tyreke or Curry's so far look at the numbers.
The East is very weak even more than past years.
Rookie of the Year is for the best player its not like the MVP award.
45 games of not shootingn well compared to 15 great games doesn't make you rookie of the year.
Just look at his last game shot 2-12 with 5 asts, 6 to's, 2 stls, 5 pts in 31 mins and they win by 13 pts.
His scoring and assts are down now big as well.
His post All Star game stats are alarming shooting 29% with 5 asts the team is winning in spite of him now.
some of ya'll have to remember you cant convice numbers guy..they look at that and its all she wrote as far as they are concerned
All we heard was about the 55 pt game and the great start well the 45 games since that start are more telling based on the body of work.
and the body of work is leading a very bad team to the playoffs. only thing tht has gone down is his fg percentage( and of course point because of it) but i guess leading a team and being a leader just doesnt matter over putting up alot of points on a very bad team
He's not reason they are winning its Bogut and Salmons now.
If his stats have gotten worse drastically yet they are winning more how does that equate to his play improving based on not even 1 assist more a game. 10-4 in the month twice they beat the Knicks, Pacers and Heat.
Doubtful they continue this way during March when the competition gets a lot tougher.
We'll see how he does the rest of the way.
If you want to go by success Lawson is on a team thats title contending and he has does pretty well with just 20 mins a game.
Same goes for Collison both are having impacts and playing well.
No way Jennings is 2nd or 3rd best out of all the rookies he's been a starter and had a lot of control of the team the whole year basically. Putting up Duhon like numbers isn't leading your team.
Feb Bucks are 10-4 his asts drop 1 a game and to's down .3 his fg% is down to 30.7%.
His mins are down 4 a game maybe the team is cutting them for a reason who knows.
Jan Bucks go 8-7 his fg% drops to 32.4% his ast/to about the same
In Dec the Bucks go 3-11 and his asts/to are about the same as January
Nov Bucks go 8-6 his best month at 22ppg shooting 42%, 5.6 asts and 3.3 to's.
the bucks were winning before salmons got there remeber?..and bogut was there last year and the year before but they didnt seem to be doing as well as they are now. hes a very big reason why. hes not the only reason. hell even the team and the coach says as much reguardless how you feel about him his own teammates,coach,announcers,former nba players who are now studio guys, all say he's a big reason why they are where they are...facts dont lie man. is he the rookie or the year?..nope because its a individual stats award in which you can be on the worst team in the nba but if you have very good stats then you win it
if it went like that for mvp you would probably see ellis in the disscussion and at the allstar game.
and you say his stats have gotten drmaticlly worst...umm yea his scoring has gone down and his fg percentage has but is that the only stats you look at or is that the only way you can win?..or as a pg will getting the guys in the right spot to score and getting assist help more?..you dont just have to score to lead a team
"His talent level is good enough to get 55 points, but he can also balance points and assists on a given night and be the best player on the floor," Sampson says. "He may never have another 55-point game, but he's a better player today than he was when he shot 55."
How much were the Bucks winning before Salmons got there, rite now there 7-1 with him and just 2 over .500 overall.
So they were 24-27 w/out him not a lot of winning in a very weak conference.
Bogut is having his best year, not sure what great impact Jennings is having is he a lock down defender or something I haven't heard about that though.
The Bucks won 34 games last year not 25 they finished 5 out of the playoffs.
youre intitaled to youre opinion but im gonna go with what i see from watching plus the mass opinion of him being a big reason why they are good. if you gonna take into accoutn there reacord when salmons got there then you also have to take into accoutn how much better he has played since getting on the team with jennings and how jennings vision has helped him score more then when he was playing in chitown. same with bogut
You say only his scoring is down his asts are down as well was at 6.5 in Dec, Jan and in Feb was at 5.5 down 1 a game pretty drastic if thats his best stat. His ft% is down from 84% in Jan to 79% in Feb, his steals are the same.
The only stat that improved has been his turnovers down .3
He's definately had an impact on the team but not that much.
When a team goes 10-4 and your asts go down 1 a game I don't see the effect of his play for that month.
Till February he definately had more of an impact taking more shots and having more asts but the team wasn't winning as much.
20-25 before than.
so what was the teams record last year without him?..you seem to be the only person that thinks he hasnt had a big impact.. doesnt that tell you something
I can't see a guy impacting a team by dishing out 1 ast less a game and making John Salmons that much better.
To me when a PG makes guys better its like how Steve Nash got Shawn Marion and QRich to play better and you saw how much their play dropped off when they played for other teams.
Anyhow it would be good to see the Bucks make the playoffs a small market team.
Will be fun to see how Bogut, Jennings, Salmons and the other do in the playoffs.
34-48 last year,
I think you forgot Bogut only played 36 games last year big difference.
and thats why i can understand why you cant understand. its not just about stats or one or two assist or points. 2 players can average around the same stats but have different impacts because of when they give a assits or when they hit a shot or when they make a defensive stop. which is why if someone doesnt watch a certain game and look at numbers they can be wrong on how well or how bad a player really played. i can look at bruce bowns stats and say.."man he didnt really impact the game" but if i watch the game i can see how much he really impacted it. there are players with better overall numbers then stocken but they didnt impact the game the way he did. which is why these former nba guys plus his teammates and coach say he's a big reason why they are doing as well as he's doing. which is why his coach and players say his 55pt game wasnt even his best game of the year. coach's will tell you all the time that stats only tell half of the game and a player can have a very big impact without putting up great stats. this is a big reason why anderson varajoe is important to the cavs. he doesnt put up the best numbers but his impact on the game is pretty damn big in alot of cases
i think evans is probably the rookie of the year but someone could easily have a arguement of why he isnt because of his impact on the team isnt very high. the kings arent much better this year then last year if they are even better at all. but he is putting up very nice numbers. but the team is still pretty bad so in the grade scheme of things it doesnt really matter if you putting up great numbers but youre team is still bad which is why he didnt make the allstar team as well as lopez from the nets and ellis . yeah they are very good individual players and put up great numbers and should get individual awards but what kinda impact do they have. tin duncan's numbers arent the best but his impact is very big. at one poitn kg and webbers numbers were pretty close but kgs impact was bigger
Maybe so but I don't see Brandon Jennings as a defensive stopper, I know he's a totally diff. player than Bowen.
To me Jennings is a good player he's had some impact yes but not nearly as much as ppl are giving him credit for.
For the most part I think you win with bigs, for ex. take away Gasol, Bynum put Kwame Brown and whoever they had at PF even Odom and you have the Lakers of 2005-2006 a playoff team that can't make it to the 2nd round. That was with Kobe at 27 in his prime and easily the best player in the league back than.
oh im not saying hes a defense of stopper i was just giving an example of how aplayer has a impact on the game. and im not saying hes the best rookie or even the best playe ron his team on alot of nights but his impact is pretty big on that team. either by passing or teams having to focus on him even though he's not shooting that great they still know he has the ability to get hot fo how he still gets in that lane and teams have to colapse and he kicks it out to salmons or dish off to bogut. salmons went from a 6th-7th man on chi to a 20ppg scorer with jennings. boguy went from a so so center to a possible allstar selection
Lets say Bogut plays the whole year last year instead of 36 games and they win 39 games instead of 34
This year they have 31 already lets say they go .500 rest of the reg. season, which might be pushing it based on a very tough schedule.
So they'll be at 42-40 I'd like to see how many wins they actually end up with.
They have to play the Nuggets, Jazz also the Cavs, Hawks twice and Celtics times.
Basically half their schedule remianing is against title contenders.
NYK, I don't know why you're hating on Jennings like you are. The kid is THE REASON the Bucks are in the playoff hunt. Outside of Slamons playing a handful of games, they have basically the same roster as last years lottery team, and they have no Michael Redd. So if it's not him, what is it? His fg% has obviously dropped but he's still getting 16, 6 and 4 with about a steal and a half a game. The kid's made his team winners while your two other rooks are doing nothing but putting up good numbers. Also, aside from Curry shooting a better percentage Jennings has him beat pretty much across the board.
Bogut being halthy is key to the Bucks. Yeah Jennings helps and hes a good passer besides his shooting slump, but the real reason their winning was he got hot early which helped, but they added three good players in Warrick, Illyesola, and Stackhouse which is really helping them and then got Salmons, If you give him Golden State, or Evans supporting cast he wouldnt do any better.
The Bucks have a very diff. roster this year.
Bogut is the best player on the team last year he didn't even play half the year.
Whiteflash I'm not hating I just think he deserves as much credit as ppl are given him for the Bucks improving.
Like I said their schedule gets tough if he keeps it up or improves the asts and they win the shooting won't mean much.
I'll definately have to eat my words but some of ya'll acting like he's dominating or something.
no oneknows if you give one rookies another roster so we need to stop acting liek we know what the out come would be. and bogut wasnt injuried his whole career. bogut even gives credit to jennings as to a big reason hes doing what hes doing. im pretty sure he wouldknow alotmore then any of us