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Another Whiteside Topic....

Everyone is looking for some of his game, so here it is.. This clip is from 2 games this season.. ECU and WVU..

Not very good quality but you can tell who he is...


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Thanks for the highlight

Thanks for the highlight reel. I'm seriously beginning to think that this guy needs his own forum section.

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No kidding.. Its gotten

No kidding.. Its gotten pretty bad and its all about how nobody has seen him play... Damn.. You all come to WV and we will watch him. I can get you to Marshall, its like 20 bucks for general admission..

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BTW

BTW where in the world does this "but he plays at Marshall" argument come from? Anyone who knows basketball at all knows there has been, is, and always will be a ton of NBA talent from outside the billion dollar teams/conferences. And for that matter, what about the players in the past that succeeded immediately out of high school in the NBA? It's a false argument. Other negative points about Whiteside are vaild (although wrong imo) but the "competition" argument is kinda weak.

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he can shoot? even 3's?

he can shoot?
even 3's?

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Notice the difference

Honestly, Whiteside's on-ball blocks aren't that impressive in this reel. His opponents are about 3-4 inches shorter and have far inferior athleticism.

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hanks for the clip but its

hanks for the clip but its doesnt help me because its a highlight video.. everyone looks pretty good in a highlight video. hell favors looked like he would own college in a highlight video. do you have a full game video of the unc and wvu games?. or games he didnt play that well, sometimes thats the best way to see how good a player is, is to see why or what made the guy have a bad game. i liek judging a player like a judge hears a case in a court room. i wanna see the goiod and the bad ( hear the prosecutor and the defense)

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I think you can watch full

I think you can watch full games on ESPN360.com of him...just go to Marshall's schedule and it should have replays dating back to the very beginning of the season.

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i would like to see him

i would like to see him against another 7 footer who has talent but you can tell he has a good touch and has a nice jumper. A bit thin but he is very long and adding weight is easy.

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Im a Whiteside fan so maybe

Im a Whiteside fan so maybe I am wrong but you cant judge a player based on a bad game...

When DHoward plays bad, he looks like he souldnt be in the NBA and he is the best C in the game...

This kid has some skills that most Cs dont even work on.. He is good and will be in the NBA. I think he is more of a PF than a C in the NBA simply because he is mobile and isnt scared to be on the perimeter... IDK.. I guess only time will tell. In the mean time, give the guy some credit.. 3 triple doubles in one season is impressive.. I dont care where you play..

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i watch bad and good games.

i watch bad and good games. you cant just go by good games, if you did everyone would be a lotto pick. you see bad games to see what weakness a guy has if i watch a guy playing 6'7 nonpro guys or 6'10 slow guys i might never know that the guy cant bang with guys his hight or isnt as good when the level of competition is near the pro level. in other words if i just watch one or the other i can get a false reading

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You just asked for a video

You just asked for a video of games where he played bad.. You didnt see the UNC game but you know that he didnt play well. He lost against WVU and thats a game you want to see. You say you want to watch good and bad games but all you want to see is games he did bad in.. Why didnt you ask for a game where he got a Trip-Doub?? You say you want to see the good and the bad.. Im not saying you are but, you sound like a hater... Again, Im not saying that you are but thats how you are coming off.

If its that big of a deal, tivo some Marshall games..

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actually i heard he played

actually i heard he played well against wvu and i wanted those 2 games because those are good teams. did he get a triple double against a real good team?..if so id like to see that too but if its just against central so and so then why would i want to see that?..that would be like me wanting to see a a prospect play against some ymca guys instead of oak hill

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you sure seem to be taking

you sure seem to be taking this kinda personal.. im guessing youre a real big fan of his huh. does it really matter to you what games i wanna see though?

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I mean you know Im a WVU fan

I mean you know Im a WVU fan so I dont like Marshall.. I have seen him play about 8 games.. I feel like everyone is judging this kid because of where he plays even though nobody has seen him play..

Everyone is judging this kid without knowing what is going on. Everyone brags on his stats but turn around and bashes him because of his conference. People say you cant judge a guy based on stats but everyone on here is doing that.. They brag on his stats but then say it doesnt matter because of who he plays.. I think the kid is special and is going to be a good player but I have seen him play alot.. Everyone says he cant do anything against good competition based on his stats against UNC... Again, judging him based on stats.. So he had a bad game against guys he isnt used to playing against.. He doesnt play against guys that are taller so what do you expect from one game trying to do it?? Its just frustrating to see people, who havent seen this guy play, judge him.. Do you understand what im saying.. I feel like its hard for me to get my point across on this topic..

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I didn't get to watch the game, but I had it highlighted because he was matched up against late 1st/early 2nd round prospect Jerome Jordan of Tulsa. Here were both of their lines

Whiteside 4-9 fg 2-2 ft 10 points 1 rebound, 1 steal, 5 blocks 2 TO, 5 fouls
Jordan 7-16 fg 10-13 ft 24 points 12 rebounds 0 steals, 3 blocks, 6 TO 4 fouls

Like I said, i don't know how the flow of the game went, but that is how the stat line read against a legit 7 footer. He posted a pretty good game against West Virginia who is talented, but lacks a low post presense and had 3-8 fg 7pt,4 rb and 3 blk performance in a loss to North Carolina (with Ed Davis) early in the season.

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of course i wont get a full

of course i wont get a full grasp of who he is with just 2 games. those are the 2 best teams so those are the game si wanna see first then see whats the defference between good big men he plays against and bad big men. i expect alot from a guy who some consider a top 3 pick. just looking at his stats against the people he plays against doesnt show me top 3 pick but i have to see him play to see if maybe the stats dont tell me the true story. i see other top picks who were in small conferences like the kandi man,stucky,curry and they all have the same thing in common. they all dominated there conference.

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forgot to add bogut

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When

When I scout players, I want to see games where he plays big minutes. But I don't judge from one game alone, good or bad.

I hear 8 on the stats subject. Some people say, "Stats don't lie." but other people say that "There are lies, there are bigger lies, and then there are stats."

Funny how both sayings get thrown around a lot.

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Well, Whiteside is

Well, Whiteside is dominating his conference.. So he doesnt score alot but he does it on the defensive end. A defensive C can turn a team around. He is a top 3 pick because of potential not production. You should know that Q. It happens all the time. Every year, there is a 19 year old that is a top 5 pick simply because of potential.

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has there ever been a player

has there ever been a player in a midmajor conference projected to be a high lotto pick but didnt dominate there conference?

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so he does dominate on the

so he does dominate on the defense of end?...thats a good thing

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I just said he is dominating

I just said he is dominating his conference.... Its on the defensive end... He also rebounds well..... IDK what to say man.

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so he leads the conference

so he leads the conference in rebounding and blks.. thats pretty good. is it dominating or just playing pretty well on the defense of end. i hear what youre saying but giving up those numbers to jordan doesnt sound like a dominating defender. has he shut down any other big guy thats near his height or that has offensive skills?

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Whiteside is very similar to
Whiteside is very similar to Varnado defensively in my opinion.  They are both great shot blockers, are pretty agile, & can step out & guard the perimeter well for a big men.  They both can get abused by heavier physical post players underneath the basket though.
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Look.. Im not trying to make

Look.. Im not trying to make excused for this guy but Jordan is a Senior (22 years old) and is 245.. Whitside is 19 years old and 235.. I mean the guy is thin and weak but he has good timing on ball and crashes the boards.. It seems like you refuse to say anything good about this guy.. Im done trying to plea someone's case that I dont really care about.. If you look around the internet at other mocks, you are going to see his name around.. You can disagree with everyone if you want, I dont care.. This kid is good and he is going to be drafted high. Sry Q..

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Based on potential and

Based on potential and upside, he'll be drafted in the lottery. That's guaranteed. Unless he just does something stupid like DeAndre Jordan... Jordan was showing up to meet teams in sweat clothes and not prepared for workouts.

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i cant say anythign good or

i cant say anythign good or bad about him..i havent watched him play..right now all i can do is ask questions about what he has done against teams and players. you cant expect someone to just share youre opinion on the guy just because you know

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Thats not what Im asking..

Thats not what Im asking.. You are getting ridiculous though.. I have given you a clip, some insight, and other people have chimed in. He is a big time prospect everywhere.. Currently, you are bashing the guy based on negative facts but not praising him for the positive.. Go watch him play then make you own assumption..

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tyou cant really expect me

tyou cant really expect me to share youre opinion on a clip?...id be dumb to just go by a high;ight clip because highlight clips are just what they sound liek. they arent game clips. and i wanna see him play because ive talked to peopel on here and 2 other websites and everyone doesnt have the same opinion.. its actually pretty even. a coupel of people on hoopsworld dont like him and say hes wayyy overrated. and how am i bashing by asking questions. i think its pretty normal to ask why a guy considered so good by some, doesnt put up better numbers or gets out played by another big guy whos not as highly ranked. you may not think it but youre coming across as a homer who doesnt understand why a person doesnt share youre opinion about hij. i made it clear from jump ive never seen him play and ask why about certain things about his game. i cant praise a guy for putting up good numbers against below average teams..would that make sense? i didnt prase cousins when he dominated against those cupcakes in the beginning of the year but after watching him dominate against better teams i started giving him his praise. im pretty sure if i said i wanna see the 2 games he had the triple double you wouldnt be asking why i wanna see those games and not the unc game or wv game. its not different then when curry was dominating his conference but all the announcers and fans wanted to see how he did once he played the good teams like duke

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my take on him right now is

my take on him right now is ..nothing.. im not for or against him yet and if people were saying he's a late first rounder i wouldnt even look him up. but since some say hes a lotto talent and others say hes overrated i need to check him out because chances are he's somewhere in the middle of those two opinions

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still looking up stuff on

still looking up stuff on him ,..heres a article im reading right now from a westvirgina paper

C-USA awards, Herd tickets and Signing Day analysis
THE ANNOYANCES of February are quickly fading away - Groundhog Day, National Signing Day, bad Super Bowl commercials and Valentine's Day are in the books, thankfully.
By Doug Smock
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THE ANNOYANCES of February are quickly fading away - Groundhog Day, National Signing Day, bad Super Bowl commercials and Valentine's Day are in the books, thankfully.

The Daytona 500 is over, so we can ditch the restrictor plates and get back to racin' next week. Right, NASCAR fans?

Today marks one of my time-honored rituals, in which I make a rare visit the post office, only to discover it's President's Day and I'm simply out of luck for stamps.

Get through that, and we're starting to get close to the blessed advent of March - and with it, postseason basketball and maybe, just maybe, the first signs of spring.

(Hey, French Creek Freddie: Nice call on winter ending early, eh?)

Today, there's no theme. I'm just trying to get you a few minutes closer to March, with items such as:

Item No. 1: Conference USA basketball hits the two-thirds pole, roughly, and a team not named Memphis owns a game-and-a-half lead.

I guess Texas-El Paso's Tony Barbee will win coach of the year honors, and why not? Beating Memphis at FedEx Forum, even if the Tigers are down, is a valid criterion.

But I'm not sure Barbee is the absolute best pick. Mike Davis of UAB, privately derided for his lack of coaching ability, blended in a lot of transfers and jucos with iffy returning talent and may get the Blazers an NCAA tournament bid no matter what they do in the C-USA tournament.

And Matt Doherty is finally making people (except maybe those in Dallas) care about SMU. That's my pick, at the moment, though this Jones guy at Marshall suddenly looks like a contender all over again.

Houston's Aubrey Coleman is liable to be the player of the year because he's leading the scoring race by 61/2 points per game. He keeps this up and he could go blank for the last two or three weeks and still win the scoring title.

I voted Coleman over Central Florida's Jermaine Taylor last year, and I'm not sure Memphis' Elliot Williams doesn't deserve it over Coleman. Take Williams away from the Tigers and how would they look?

But Williams will get the Newcomer of the Year award, given to a non-freshman rookie. He'll have to earn it, though, over UAB's Elijah Millsap.

As for the Freshman of the Year, that is the stone-cold lock of the year. You just can't look past Rice's Arsalan Kazemi for this one.

And I'm just seeing if you're awake. The only question surrounding Marshall's Hassan Whiteside is what all-conference team he'll make. I think he's a second-teamer, at least, which would be a first for MU in its five seasons in C-USA. And the way Tyler Wilkerson is playing lately, it's getting tough to keep him off the all-conference sheet.

Item No. 2: Marshall football season-ticket renewals, not to mention new sales, began Friday. Those wanting to renew their seat locations from last year have until April 9 to do so.

If you're thinking that's the earliest ever, you are not hallucinating.

THE ANNOYANCES of February are quickly fading away - Groundhog Day, National Signing Day, bad Super Bowl commercials and Valentine's Day are in the books, thankfully.
The Daytona 500 is over, so we can ditch the restrictor plates and get back to racin' next week. Right, NASCAR fans?

Today marks one of my time-honored rituals, in which I make a rare visit the post office, only to discover it's President's Day and I'm simply out of luck for stamps.

Get through that, and we're starting to get close to the blessed advent of March - and with it, postseason basketball and maybe, just maybe, the first signs of spring.

(Hey, French Creek Freddie: Nice call on winter ending early, eh?)

Today, there's no theme. I'm just trying to get you a few minutes closer to March, with items such as:

Item No. 1: Conference USA basketball hits the two-thirds pole, roughly, and a team not named Memphis owns a game-and-a-half lead.

I guess Texas-El Paso's Tony Barbee will win coach of the year honors, and why not? Beating Memphis at FedEx Forum, even if the Tigers are down, is a valid criterion.

But I'm not sure Barbee is the absolute best pick. Mike Davis of UAB, privately derided for his lack of coaching ability, blended in a lot of transfers and jucos with iffy returning talent and may get the Blazers an NCAA tournament bid no matter what they do in the C-USA tournament.

And Matt Doherty is finally making people (except maybe those in Dallas) care about SMU. That's my pick, at the moment, though this Jones guy at Marshall suddenly looks like a contender all over again.

Houston's Aubrey Coleman is liable to be the player of the year because he's leading the scoring race by 61/2 points per game. He keeps this up and he could go blank for the last two or three weeks and still win the scoring title.

I voted Coleman over Central Florida's Jermaine Taylor last year, and I'm not sure Memphis' Elliot Williams doesn't deserve it over Coleman. Take Williams away from the Tigers and how would they look?

But Williams will get the Newcomer of the Year award, given to a non-freshman rookie. He'll have to earn it, though, over UAB's Elijah Millsap.

As for the Freshman of the Year, that is the stone-cold lock of the year. You just can't look past Rice's Arsalan Kazemi for this one.

And I'm just seeing if you're awake. The only question surrounding Marshall's Hassan Whiteside is what all-conference team he'll make. I think he's a second-teamer, at least, which would be a first for MU in its five seasons in C-USA. And the way Tyler Wilkerson is playing lately, it's getting tough to keep him off the all-conference sheet.

Item No. 2: Marshall football season-ticket renewals, not to mention new sales, began Friday. Those wanting to renew their seat locations from last year have until April 9 to do so.

If you're thinking that's the earliest ever, you are not hallucinating.

Back in 2003, an announcement for renewals came out on May 5, with the deadline to keep seat locations set on June 13. In 2009, renewal forms were mailed out well after the schedule was set March 11.

Even in 2007, when MU officials were preparing to welcome West Virginia to Joan C. Edwards Stadium, the renewals didn't start this early, and lasted a little longer into April.

I offer that up without a strong opinion, but it does appear MU officials are going to take advantage of a perfect storm - Doc Holliday has taken over the program, WVU accounts for the lion's share of his football resume and the Herd will be a better team.

Certainly better than the painful-to-watch '07 edition, don't you think?

Item No. 3: There are only 352 days until college football's Signing Day 2011.

If you're reading this in the print edition, I truly hope you wadded the paper up and flung it across the room. Or at least thought about it.

This only gets brought up because I did a quick survey of Marshall's recruits that were given three or more stars by at least one of the recruiting services. For the 2002-09 period, here they are:

2009 - Wayne Bonner, C.J Crawford, Troy Evans, Quanthony Fletcher, A.J. Graham, Jake Laudenslayer, Press Taylor, Rashad Jackson. Verdict: Too early to tell, but Evans suffered an injury and Laudenslayer already has bailed.

2008 - Maurice Graham, O.J. Murdock, Jimmy Rogers, Ahmed Shakoor, Charles Walker, Martin Ward, Jamal Wilson, John Youboty, Josh Miller, Brandon Burns, Andre Portis. Verdict: Murdock never even made it to campus, Graham was an injury waiting to happen and Walker has had his bad luck. Ward and Youboty could be the real deal and Burns could be pretty good, so this could work out.

2007 - DeQuan Bembry, Mark Cann, Jo Jo Cox, Branden Curry, Terrell Edwards, Darius Marshall, Chris Smith, C.J. Wood. Verdict: Cox, Smith and perhaps Curry were overrated, and all have bailed. Cann's delivery went south and needed a better position coach. Marshall was very good, but the NFL will decide if he's a pro. Bembry can still be very, very good.

2006 - Brian Anderson, Mario Harvey, Josh Johnson, Cody Slate, Darius Passmore, Ashton Hall, Anthony Binswanger. Verdict: Throw out Johnson, who got thrown out, and this bunch is spot-on - especially if Anderson can retain the starting QB spot. Slate and Harvey may be best recruits of Mark Snyder era.

2005 - Charles Gamble, Paul O'Hara, Marcus Roberson, Chubb Small. Verdict: Without dissing Small, a good player and a better person, this bunch is frightening.

2004 - Jermaine Filer, James Houston, Deondrea Lindsey. Verdict: This bunch is even more frightening. Filer had bad injury luck, but I don't think it mattered.

2003 - Earl Charles, Marcus Fitzgerald, Tremel Guillory, Geremy Rodamer. Verdict: All played but only Charles stood out. Rodamer's exit was unfortunate, whatever the circumstances.

2002 - Tank Tunstalle. Verdict: Remember, the banks are closed today, as well.

Reach Doug Smock at 304-348-5130 or dougsm...@wvgazette.com.

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Look man.. Im not trying to

Look man.. Im not trying to get you to share my opinion.. I dont care.. You say I am a homer and Im not.. You said something about praising Cousisn but that has nothing to do with Whiteside.. You simply dont think he is good because he plays for Marshall. Thats crap man.. If Whiteside was at UNC, everyone would love this kid... You not only ask questions but you say he cant be good because of this or that.. Im done with this man because you ask questions and when I try to answer them, I am wrong.. He is a skinny, tall, athlete who can rebound and defend.. A 19 year old kid.. You want to know why he is projected as a top 5, that is why... You want to know his strengths and weaknesses.. He defends and rebounds and he is weak... You keep asking what people think but no matter what, you dont believe anything positive because you havnt seen him play.. Just stop wining about him and watch him play..

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lol..thats the thing youre

lol..thats the thing youre the one whinning trying to convince me about the kid when all im doing is asking?..since when is asking whinning. im not the one trying to defend him. when did i say he cant be good because of something?..everything i have said has been a question has it not? youre right i do need ot watch him but untill then im gonna continue reading some wv articles and chat sites frompeopel in wv who watch all of marshalls games and reporters from wv opinions on him

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anyone know who this Arsalan

anyone know who this Arsalan Kazemi kid is?. aparently he might be the freshman of the year.

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"If Whiteside was at UNC,

"If Whiteside was at UNC, everyone would love this kid"

Ed Davis, Deon Thompson, John Henson, Tyler Zeller, David Wear, and Travis Wear. Hassan Whiteside would be so buried in that mix, nobody would know his name. That is part of the problem. Now, if he was producing as he is now at North Carolina, everyone would love him. He would not have doubters. It would be because he would have been producing against the likes of DeMarcus Cousins, Patrick Patterson, the Plumlee brothers, Zoubek, Singler, Favors, Lawal, Aminu, McFarland, Collins, Alabi, Gibson, Wes Johnson, Onuaku, Rick Jackson, Oriakhi, Pittman, James, Ndiaye, Jordan Williams, and Tracy Smith. Basically in that scenario, he would be dominating guys who will receive paychecks for playing basketball in their lives. That is what happens when guys play at the big schools, they play the best competition in games and in practice.

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I don't know if this has

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but why exactly is Whiteside at Marshall???

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I have heard this mentioned a bunch of times. I heard he is at Marshall because he gave a verbal there either his jr or sr year of HS and liked the people there so he decided to stick with it. I can find the article.

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http://investing.businessweek

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/news/article.asp?docKey=600-201002172037KRTRIB__BUSNEWS_48724-1&params=timestamp||02/17/2010%208:37%20PM%20ET||headline||Big%20man%20on%20campus%3A%20Just%20a%20freshman%2C%20Marshall%27s%207-foot%20center%2C%20Hassan%20Whiteside%2C%20may%20still%20be%20growing%20[Charleston%20Daily%20Mail%2C%20W.Va.]||docSource||The%20McClatchy%20Company||provider||ACQUIREMEDIA||realtedsyms|||US%3BGOOG&ticker=GOOG:US this is all I can find.

Well idk how good Whiteside is, but C-USA is one of the best Mid-Majors in the country with plenty of NBA prospects each year, so I don't think who he plays against is a problem.

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I heard that Whiteside was

I heard that Whiteside was an average guard until his senior year when he grew.. Huggins was pissed at his scouts because he hadnt seen this guy play.. His scouts told him that he had watched Whiteside as a sophomore and a junior.. As a sophomore, he was a 6'3 SG and as a junior he was a 6'5 forward.. They quit scouting the guy.. By the time he was a senior, most colleges didnt care about the guy.. He really didnt dominate as a senior either.. I think thats why he is at Marshall.

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Wow, interesting to find out

Wow, interesting to find out what you wrote above there. I think thats a legit reason as to why he's at Marshall. But honestly there's just so many kids across the country that can play. So its hard for the top schools to get all the players. But damn, talk about a growth spurt. And it would be nice to know where you got that lil anecdote from.

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