Shaq vs. Hakeem part II...Thabeet vs. Bryant
Ok, first of all, I just want to say I like Thabeet, but being a poster on this site for quite some time I couldn't pass up this opportunity to give him a little crap.
In the Bayhawks vs Wizards matchup in the NBDL tonight #2 pick Hasheem Thabeet was matched up against the legendary Jon Bryant and here is their stat lines
Thabeet, 17 minutes 8 points 2 rebounds 1 block
Bryant, 18 minutes 14 points 7 rebounds 4 fouls
I think we know who should have been the #2 pick now. lol
i was yelling thabeet was a bad pick like many others were as well. I know that he is a long term project, but here are a few things that should worry grizz fans:
1-Hamed Habbadi is getting pt down the stretch run of the season while Thabeet is in the D-League
2-They tried to trade him away to GState at the trade deadline as pratically a throw in to land monta ellis
3-he is getting out played by JOhn Bryant(yes i meant to capitalize the "O")
Everyone knows Thabeet won't be ready to be a contributer.
If you saw how he got outplayed by 6-6 DeJuan Blair, you could tell he's far from ready.
However, big man usually takes at least 3 years to develop because center is the hardest position to learn and develop.
He still got a lot of potential and the size will certainly keep him in the NBA (as long as he works hard). He may not be the hardest worker, but I haven't heard of anyone saying he's lazy. Going to D-league can give him playtime, and it was just his first game (as long as Memphis actually care to send someone to babysit him as I don't think D-league has the people to really develop him).
Habbadi got the play time but he had more experiences than Thabeet.
I think Thabeet should be able to develop into at least a solid center maybe in 5 years. If he puts in some hardwork, he should be better the Diop.
I would argue that point guard is the hardest position to learn at the NBA level. In any event, I think everyone knew Thabbet would struggle, but I doubt anyone could've predicted it would be this badly. He's got a long road ahead of him, but he seems like a good kid and a hard worker so hopefully he doesn't get too down on himself.
yeah he should be decent, but saying give him 5 years and he should be better then Diop is probably not what you want to hear about the number 2 pick in the draft.
yeah point guard is the hard position to learn because you have to not only play but be extention of the coach on the court, manage guys, know when to score or pass...
but still you rather have a great center then a point guard if you had to choose..
Maybe 15 years ago, but in todays NBA I'm taking a game breaking pg every time. If any of the "dominant" centers of today [Howard, Yao, Bynum, etc...] played 15 years ago they'd be power forwards or back ups. For some reason most 6'11" centers have turned into small forwards. History repeats itself though, and the dominant big man will come back in the next decade or two.
I was absolutely shocked to see him being touted as a top 5 pick, let alone to go #2 overall. I understand big men are highly valued in the NBA, but Thabeet was a skinny rod who could block shots and was tall but had no offensive game what so ever. When my boy DeJuan (LETS GO PITT) took him down in the UCONN PITT match up, I figured Blair is good but if you can't bang with him at 6'8", good luck with a 90% of the centers in the NBA. Grizzlies needed a big man but that was a huge reach but PG would have been an option too. He's still got time, but I don't see him being anything special in the NBA. At best I see him being a defensive stopping role player.
whiteflash, im fine with you taking a pg in todays game over a center, but you are crazy if you think yao, howard or bynum would be pf's or backups 15 years ago. Sure hakeem, rrobinson, ewing and shaq would all be better. But that still leaves like 25 teams with worse centers then those 3 guys. I mean look at who the bulls played in those 6 titles: Duckworth, divac, west, McIlvaine, and ostertag. There were tons of crappy centers who were nothing but big guys with the ability to run and not fall over.
Kevin Duckworth was an All-Star who ate himself out of the league. My point is, those guys are putting up pretty good numbers against sh!tty comp, as opposed to the top guys of yesteryear who were putting up monster numbers against HOF comp. If the 3 guys I mentioned played 15 years ago they'd be pf's or backups, for the most part. Dwight Howard is Kevin Willis with longer arms, Ming is Rik Smits with less passing ability and Andrew Bynum is what you'd call a big guy with the ability to run and not fall over. These guys look better than they really are due to the era they're in, and that's a fact.
the ability to run and not fall over now thats funny
whiteflash you might be right pg is ythe hardest to learn but it isnt the position that takes longest for a guy to produce from. thats usually center
thats what thabeet should hope to be in two years (+ .5-1 blk)
btw shaq vs hakeem i'm taking dream all day long
Was watching "The Herd" this morning and Robert Horry was a guest. The host brought up that Horry played with Olajuwon, Shaq and Duncan and asked who the best of the three was and Horry said "Dream" before he could even finish. I'm from Houston man and while I'm probably a little biased I'll say 'til the day I die that Olajuwon is the best center of all-time. I still have every playoff game from the '95 season on tape, though I don't have a vcr haha.
nah, your crazy on that one. when vlade divac, rony seikley, kevin willis and sam perkins are considered top 10 centers, your gonna tell me that howard/yao/bynum would have been backups? When ervin johnson, mark west, luc longley, jon koncak, shawn bradley, greg ostertag, benoit benjamin, and olden polynice can all hold down starting jobs for numerous seasons, im pretty sure todays big 3 could start back then. And bynum had 20-15 tonight, that's a little more then just not falling over. Yao and howard would destroy smits and willis.
Ronny Seikaly was a pretty athletic big with a mid range game, Willis was a power forward, Sam Perkins was what Rashhed Wallace is, etc.... Most of the guys you mentioned weren't top 10 centers. Also, Dwight Howard can't get 20 a game with the refs letting him walk all over the place against todays competition and you think "he'd destroy Willis"? You're out of your mind. Howard would be a power forward 15 years ago, and just a pretty good one at that. And Yao and Smits would play eachother to a standstill. Yao's not getting all those all-star votes based on his game homey.
not crazy about the olajuwon part, i think he and prime shaq are the two best centers to have played this game.
im a thabeet fan
but this is a funny post hahaha