ADRIAN OLIVER Calling out whoever owns this site..WOW
I have to say, I emailed that Aran gentleman 5 years ago when Brandon Roy was heading into his Sr. year at Washington and told him he was nuts not to have the kid in the first round. I went on to say "he will be a lottery pick". Well, the only response I got was that he felt he was a second round talent.
Subsequently, he has once again done the same exact thing with Quincy Pondexter. Pondexter is a legit top-20 talent and will go in the top-20 - i will put money on that. This site has had Q undrafted his entire college career and just recently finally got wind of his talents and has moved him into the second round in the past year lol. Second round??? Are you freaking kidding me. He will go late lottery to mid first. His shot has completely been revamped and his handle is much improved. Legit athleticism and a great long 6'7 frame for an nba wing.
Now, to the biggest mockery. How the heck does Aran and his staff not have the nations best overall guard in Adrian Oliver not in ANY FREAKIN mock draft. The kid is a legit lottery pick, and these clowns don't even have him listed in a single mock draft, let alone 2nd round mock. He is a 6'4 combo guard, has a 6'9 wingspan, is the 3rd leading scorer in America this year as jr. in college, was the #1 point guard on the West Coast coming out of high school when he chose Washington over Kentucky and Kansas. Spent a year at UDUB and then transferred to San Jose State. The dude is getting triple teamed all year long and teams are geared around trying to stop him, yet he continues to torch teames. He shoots 45% from the field, 90 % from the line, 43% from downtown and averages 23.3 points per game, 5.5 rebounds and 3 assists per game. LEGIT. A Rodney Stuckey type guard and he is a very solid overall athlete. Extremely gifted. 12 NBA scouts were at his game last night watching him torch Luke Babbit and Armon Johnson for 35 points and he guarded Babbit the entire game!!
How the heck this crummy site has Armon Johnson in the 1st round and Oliver not on any mock drafts is besides me. It is insane. Please, get a clue Aran. Take care.
heresy! ban him!
Not to lump those two players together.
Pondexter has legit NBA talent and has impressed this year with an improved shot. He COULD possibly land in the first round, but more likely ends up in the 30-45 range.
When are people going to learn, there's a reason players like Adrian Oliver can't cut it in the Pac-Ten. When they transfer to a small conference like the WAC and start lighting it up, it would take a "clown" to think they are "the nations best overall guard" and a "legit lottery pick".
Oliver has no chance of making it in the NBA. He has no athleticism. Limited foot speed. He's a good, not a great shooter. And for a 6-4 guard with no position that is insurmountable. He MIGHT have a career in Europe. but that's not a slam dunk.
Speaking of which, can someone confirm that he can actually dunk? Has he dunked in a game this year? Just saying...
pondexter should be able to help a team in the nba as a role player. He defends is a good athlete and finishes well around the rim. This year the biggest improvement has been him consistently knocking down shots. But he really does have no handle. If he doesn't get by his man after one or two bounces, he has to pick it up because he doesnt have that change direction and shake you type handle. I've seen him get ripped trying to go one on one a few times. Plus he seems to have limited upside. He is one of the more prepared to contribute right away guys, but i don't see him getting much better. I like him to sneak in late first round though.
First of all, Adrian Oliver is no where near a lottery pick or the best all around guard in the country. Evan Turner is Mr. versatility and he actually does it against good competition... Just say you think this kid is good... there is no reason to log on here just to basically insult the entire site!
So you're telling us that he's better than...
Damn you had me thinking Oliver was super athletic just off the intro...
Next time post some videos!
"How the heck does Aran and his staff not have the nations best overall guard in Adrian Oliver not in ANY FREAKIN mock draft"
Maybe.......because he isn't the nation's best overall guard?
There's no dictionary book for you, Aran. Your combination of basketball knowledge and passion is unmatched in the civilized world.
if thats the case aubrey coleman should be the first pick in the draft because he leads the country in scoring plays in a better conference and is like second in the country in steals so hes a lock down defender. but he wont be the first pick he probably wont be first round. there isnt room in the nba for 6 3 combo guards with no athleticism and limited playmaking skills. pondexter could go first round and should be able to help a good team become a little better. and can we get some proof of this brandon roy email? because a genius call like that followed by these comments is interesting.
Here's proof of an email about Joakim Noah from the middle of his Soph year before he blew up and this site wound up having him ranked as the 1st pick in the draft of THAT year 06 at the end of the season not 07......
Re: NBADraft.net CONTACT US: joakim noah
From: Aran Smith ([email protected])
You may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as junk
Sent: Sun 2/05/06 10:25 PM
To: [email protected] ([email protected])
noah was very impressive yesterday. he's a nice prospect. but his body type (can he add weight?) limits him. he will get pushed around in the nba...
On 2/5/06, [email protected] wrote:
How can you not have this guy in your positional rankings at all!!!!!!!! If you are ranking on potential, like it says about Sasha Kaun, then this guy is definite lottery in 2007. He's athletic and runs the floor harder and better than any 6"11 player I have ever seen. By the way he has much more upside and is already a better player than his teammate Al Horford who you have had rated high all season. Please let me know when you are going to put this kid in the top 10 of the 2007 draft
Does anyone remember a guy named Lester Hudson?? He was freaking amazing in a small conference and people complained about him not being ranked higher and now everyone is hush hush about it.. Just because a guy gets it done in college doesnt mean it translates to the pro game.. So he can score.. Who is he doing it against?? Can he put up 23 on Kobe, Roy, Melo, Lebron, CP3, DWill, ect ect?? No.. 6'3, slow, with a decent shot?? Dont think so...
People wanted to make Joakim Noah a #1 overall pick!!!! Without us pumping the brakes on him, he would have been the unanimous #1 pick EVERYWHERE! We did not miss on Noah!! He was a catalyst for Florida's back to back titles but didn't project as nearly the dominant talent he was in college.
We NEVER ranked Noah the #1 pick!! I think you have us confused!
You all have to understand that Aran's job is more than just his own evaluations of talent, too. A mock draft, particularly those made in the last month or so, is more about figuring out what teams think about players than what the analyst thinks about the player.
Also, Adrian Oliver? Are you kidding me? Pretty sure the best guard in the country is not playing for a below average WAC team.
ok Aran I could be wrong you may have had Barnagni as the 1st pick and him 2nd and never moved him up to #1, I am not 100% sure anymore. But the one thing I am positive of is that in the middle of his soph year you didn't have him on any mocks and he was not even honorable mention in your positional rankings.