Mocking a draft for the last decade 00-this year based on the players coming out of their final year in college or hs. I didn't start paying as much attention until the great 03 draft so I don't have a great idea of how well hyped guys like Kwame Brown or K-Mart were coming out. I'm interested in seeing what some of you guys with more experience think.
1. LeBron James
2. Greg Oden
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Yao Ming
5. Kevin Durant
6. John Wall
7. Derrick Rose
8. Dwight Howard
9. Chris Bosh
10. Michael Beasley
Could you have Emeka over Dwight?
Greg Oden should be #2 on that list... He probably would've been drafted over every player except LeBron James.
Aight guys, your right, IDK what I was thinking so I edited it up. I keep letting reality sink in as far as what they became. And in regards to me having Okafor above Dwight, alot of people were surprised with Emeka went 2. He was a dominant shot blocker with a NBA ready body.
interesting topic. Here is how i would rank the biggest prospects coming out last decade:
just missing are guys like Kenyon Martin, Stromile Swift, Darius MIles, Michael Beasly and Blake Griffin
This is not easy after #1.
1. Lebron James
2. Yao Ming (This guy had so much hype being from China it was crazy)
3. Derrick Rose
4. Greg Oden (I think he got big hype because the 1 year removed of high school rule was installed and people were like oden good enough to jump striaght and were against the rule)
5. Kevin Durant
6. Dwight Howard
7. Carmelo Anthony
8. Jason Williams
9. Darius Miles
10. John Wall
1. LeBron James - The most hyped up prospect in NBA history.
2. Greg Oden - Many said he would've been the #1 pick if he could've entered the NBA draft after his junior year of high school.
3. Yao Ming - HUGE coming out of China.
4. Carmelo Anthony - Had one of the greatest freshman seasons in NCAA history and led his team to the championship
5. Kevin Durant - Had the greatest freshman season in NCAA history.
Livingston was another highly touted guy. Dajaun Wagner and Telfair had ridiculous hype surrounding them as well.
i have to put Williams one spot ahead of Yao. Most people thought houston was making a mistake going with the big man over the gaurd who was considered a can't miss all-star. Williams would have gone number one had he come out a year earlier. Yao was viewed as a huge risk, but because he was a big man and he would draw a lot of asian fans the rockets took him over the guy who was considered the better pick by most.
you really cant go wrong with any of the list its obvious lebron is number 1 and Greg Oden following him..he was suppose to be the next Bill Russell remember that..after that all those guys had tons of hype..but i dont remember Chris Bosh really being hyped so that the only place where i dont really agree...good list MyDimes
i remeber tyson chandler being a huge prospect in highschool. ABC did a 60 minutes episode on him his freshman year before he ever played a highschool game. His games were televised throughout southern california. I played against him his junior year and scouts and media were all over the place covering him. I'll never forget SLAM magazine made a comment that Tyson Chandler was better then Kevin Garnett. He was considered a can't miss franchise player and it came down to him or Kwame for the number one pick that year.
1. LeBron James--no question
2. Yao Ming--Do you guys really remember this? Way more hype than Oden, it was crazy.
3. Greg Oden--LeBrons dad was being compared to Russell.
4. Kevin Durant--had more hype than Melo did after freshman year.
5. Melo--didn't have to go to college, did and won a championship.
6. Rose-point guards don't get taken number 1 in the draft, he changed that.
7. Beasley--arguably the best freshman year, statistically, in the last decade.
8. Wagner-dropped 100 points in a high school game and was on espn almost everyday.
9. Telfair- The next Starbury was also on espn ad nauseum.
10. John Wall- The last most hyped player of the decade.
My 11 would have been Howard.
daneboy-how you figure telfair was one of the top 10 prospects of the last decade when he went 13th in his own draft? No one felt with any confidence that he would be a star. i think you are confusing hype with being what was considered a legit can't miss prospect.
what about darko...i mean now he is the biggest bust but then he was the number two pick in a draft with all those stars...there had to be a lot of hype on him
People are forgetting how much hype, Jason Williams had out of college. Dude was a stud.
He said either hs or college. Telfair was being hyped every day by the media. At the time no one was drafting 6' guards in the lottery out of high school.
I even changed my avatar to the SI magazine I have with him on the cover just for you.
And who can distinguish hype from a legitimate prospect? Curry went #1, was he legitimate? The Bulls thought so.
Kwame went #1, people thought he was legitimate. At the time Telfair was a legitimate prospect.
Telfair was the first point guard ever to be drafted out of high school.
well, curry went #4
anyways, the thread is based on when they were drafted, who was the biggest prospects of the last decade. Imagine all the drafts from 2000 to 2009 were put together, how would the top 10 look? If telfair went 13th in his own draft, what makes you think he was one of the 10 best prospects of the entire decade? That doesn't even make sense. If telfair came out at the same time as darko or kwame or okafor, i can promise you he wouldn't have gone before any of those guys. So again, how can you say he was one of the 10 best?
The post said nothing about draft position, read it again. My bad, Curry went 4th, brain fart. Again, no one was taking 6' PGs in the lottery at the time. Darko, Kwame, and Okafor are all bigs. People are willing to gamble on bigs because you can't teach size and if you find a dominate big man, you struck gold. Telfair was the first to test the waters and enter the draft. The fact that he got drafted 13th as an 18 year old who played the toughest position in the NBA was impressive and showed his talent.
That is my arguement for Telfair being one of the 10 best prospects of the last decade. I follow hs hoops religiously and he was supposed to be great, just never happened.
pretty good list...so far oden has to be the biggest bust out of all the other picks as far as expectations
7. j williams
8. dwight howard
10. blake griffin
blake wasnt getting as much hype as wall but he was getting more then rose. he wasnt getting as much as beasley either
daneboy, telfair lasted until the 13th pick because teams worked him out and didn't think he was that great a pro prospect. I don't care what position you play, if the scouts and GM's think you are gonna be a star, they will draft you higher then 13th. If you think one of the best prospects of the last 10 years was sebastian telfair, a guy who was not even top 10 in his own draft, then you should never ever be allowed to run a franchise. In my humble opinion.
"if the scouts and GM's think you are gonna be a star, they will draft you higher then 13th"
Kobe Bryant- Naismith POY, Gatorade POY, USA Today POY, McD's AA----drafted 13th
I remember back in 2004, you may have been in middle school, I don't know, Telfair was getting more pub than Howard. All of the magazines had LeBron and Telfair on the cover. The kid was a major prospect who was rated #1 by several scouts. NBA teams are reluctant to take a gamble on a 6' PG out of high school, how many have even declared for the draft?
Am I the only one on here who remembers how good Telfair was supposed to be?
If Telfair had turned into an elite player like Kobe did we wouldn't even be having this debate. The fact that he didn't doesn't mean he wasn't a prospect.
You also said in a previous post that I am confusing hype with a legit can't miss prospect but you have Kwame on your list, with Stromile and Miles just missing the cut. Seems to me that those guys were all hype so you failed right there in your arguement.
The fact is Telfair had just as much talent as those guys but he was riskier because of his size and the position he played. NBA GMs will always take the guy with height just like MLB GMs will always take the pitcher who can throw 99mph. That is why Livingston went 4th, because he had the height. He was all hype too.
The complete failure of Wagner, another highly touted prospect, probably didn't help Telfair when it came to the draft. Juanny went 6th in 2002 and busted. That was probably in the back of a lot of GMs minds.
And your humble opinion means zilch to me buddy.
Well, i'm 28 so, no i was not in middle school. Secondly, if you think telfair is one of the 10 greatest prospects of the decade, your opinion about basketball means zilch to me. The kobe situation was different because he was the second hs to the pros player in the last like 20 years and it wasn't popular at that time so people weren't really recruiting hs guys. But by the time telfair came around, hs to the pros was done constantly so he has no excuse for slipping simply becasue he played highschool ball. Totally different situations. And guess what, GM's have a funny thing about drafting guys who they think are good prospects high. You are the only one on here who has even considered telfair on this list. I don't care if he was on the cover of magazines and was a highschool all-american, that does not equal being a top notch pro prospect, which he wasn't, except in your mind apparently. Everyone is entitled to opinions, but in this case, you are just wrong.
so how is my opinion biased? This thread is about when the guy finished highschool and entered the draft, so you are basically agreeing with me jayk21.
well, the original post by the guy who started this topic specifically states "after they left school" Meaning during the draft, not at any random point in their highschool career. And when Telfair entered the draft, he was not thought of as a franchise player, somehthing any top 10 player of the decade would probably be considered.
I have nothing against telfair and trust me, i've been watching and playing long enough to remember his hype. BUt to say he was one of the 10 best pro prospects of the entire decade when he wasn't even top 10 of his own draft is laughable.
That was a terrible arguement.
By the time Telfair came around the only hs players being drafted were big men. All of the great Pgs were advised to go to college because NBA teams weren't going to take a gamble on an 18yo PG. It wasn't a 'popular' thing to do as you say.
And if GMs have a funny thing about drafting guys who they think are good prospects high, why did Kwame, Swift, and Miles, who again, were top notch prospects in your opinion, have a terrible career. Was it because they were all 6'9 and over? You are only looking at guys who were drafted 3 or higher.
You clearly weren't following the HS hoops scene during that time.
Guys slip in drafts for all kinds of reasons. Were you there? The kid had a history of trouble so that could have had something to do with it. Who knows.
No one seems to be agreeing with me but I don't see anyone backing you up either pal.
Kobe was the first guard to enter the draft, he went 13th.
Dirk was the first hyped euro to enter the draft, he went 9th
Telfair was the first undersized Pg to enter the draft, he went 13th.
History shows that Gm's are reluctant to take a risk on something unproven.
guys like swift, kwame and tyson were drafted higher because they were considered a better pro prospect then guys drafted below them even though they turned out to be bust How good your career is and how much of a pro prospect you are considered to be coming out of school are two different things.
Telfair was scouted. He was worked out. They analyzed everything about him and they determined that he was big risk and was more then likely not someone worth using a high pick on. They didn't just say, "man this guy is one of the best i've ever seen, he's gona be a star. But let's not draft him because he is a hs pg." That's not the way it works. Kwame was thought to be a franchise player. Chandler was thought to be a franchise player. Dwight, Jwill...well just see my list above of the top 10. All of those guys were thought to be franchise players. Telfair wasn't, end of story.
That was the way it worked at the time. People weren't drafting hs point guards. Name one. I looked at your list. Yao Ming was much more hyped and thought to be a bigger franchise player than Rose. Chandler in no way was thought of as a franchise player. Scouts new that he was lacking an offensive game and HOPED that he could put on enough weight to be a defensive force. He was a project pick.
Critique my list and I will critique yours. I don't agree with your list in some ways but I am not going to say you are wrong, it's your opinion. But you can keep telling me that I am wrong and you are right if that is what makes you feel good buddy. Again, I couldn't care less if you think I am wrong. I just don't give up on my opinions.
I just woke up so I can debate this all day.
chandler was considered a franchise player. People were comparing him to KG and he and kwame were fighting for number 1 the whole way. Yao had many question marks and the majority of analysts thought houston was making a mistake by picking him over williams.
One last thing about telfair and then i'm done. WHen scouts say things like "i'm not sure about picking a highschool pg because he hasn't proved himself at a high level at a position that usually requires experience." And they hold that against him and have questions about how he will play in the pro's, guess what that means? It means he was being doubted as a prospect. That is exactly what this topic is about, the best prospects were considered the guys that should be can't miss all-star caliber building pieces. If they doubted telfair for whatever reason (him being a hs pg as you are saying) then guess what, that means he wasn't as big a prospect as other guys. He had doubts. He had question marks. He went 13th for a reason. I don't care what those reasons were, but they existed.
Top 10 for the entire decade is a very lofty list for anybody who was not even top 5 in their own draft let alone 13th. I'm done.
Are you kidding me? Who was comparing Chandler to KG? You sound like Quincey now, show me proof of that. The scouting reports on Chandler were that his offense was lacking and he was a developmental project. When the Bulls got Chandler no one was invisioning him as the next franchise player rather a good defensive presence.
And if Yao had many question marks and many analysts said Houston was making a mistake that means that he was doubted as a prospect too. And if that is what this topic is about, why is he on your list?
I think everybody not named LeBron was doubted as a prospect in some ways. The only reason why they had more doubts about Telfair was because of his size and the fact that he was coming out of high school to play the point. Again, it hadn't been done before. Just like a guard coming out of high school was unheard of when 12 teams passed on Kobe with all the accolades he had gotten as a high schooler.
Another thing I want to say is that you keep saying that I am confusing hype with prospect. Everyone is hype until they hit the NBA floor, especially high schoolers. No one knows for sure if a player is going to work out. If they did, guys like Kwame, Miles, The Kandi Man, Swift, Livingston, ( I could go on and on), etc. would not have been drafted where they were.
The question in this topic was: prospect after hs or college, not at the draft workouts. Coming out of high school Telfair was a huge prospect. He was I think the first to have his games on ESPN. I remember he had a game against Howard on ESPN and he dropped almost 40 and had the winning basket. Everyone was talking about him and the scouts were all raving about his potential. When you get an ESPN game and every scout is there to see you, you are a prospect. We just have different opinions on the word prospect, that's all.
The post didn't say top franchise players of the decade, it said prospect. ( I am going to keep reiterating that word.)
Being ranked at the top of your class and being an all-american qualifies you as a prospect and I haven't seen too many other guys that were as hyped as he was regardless of what happened at the draft. That is why he made my list.
And I still want to know who was comparing Chandler to KG. I am from Chicago and KG had one of the best seasons by a high school basketball player ever. KG was the total package. He could score, pass, block shots, run the floor, shoot, post up, he was incredible. The only thing Chandler could do was rebound and block shots. His ball handling was non existent and he was a terrible post player. KG averaged 25.2pts 17.9reb 6.7ast 6.5blks his senior season ( I looked it up ).
Nobody was comparing Chandler to that.
If the topic was: top 10 franchise players of the decade then Telfair wouldn't have made my list, but it wasn't.
well, since you are specifically asking for my response instead of just getting in your last words, sure i'll continue. Tyson was called the next KG by slam magazine which i already pointed out. He was 7 feet tall and was dribbling and shooting 3's in every game in highschool. I know this because i played aginst him. The KG comparison was thrown around quite a bit by a number of people in the media actually. In fact, even in his first rookie summer league, he wwould play some out on the perimiter and shot some 3's. He was considered a versatile 7 foot forward and not just a defensive presence when he entered the draft and went #2.
Also, you should work on your reading comprehension. I never said anything about this topic being best "franchise players" I said this topic was about the 10 best prospects(i have been using that word as well you know) and the 10 best prospects that i listed were all considered to be franchise players when they entered the draft. A guy who is considered a potential franchise player (see my list) is usually a better prospect then a guy who was not considered a franchise player (telfair).
You are really all over the place on this one saying that you are reffering to prospects and i'm not. Telfair went 13th. He was never considered at any pooint after highschool to be a top 5 pick. That means he was not considered as great a prospect as the other guys that i mentioned who were all top 3 picks. I really can't explain it any more clear then that, but i'm sure you'll get that confused as well.
You say you never used the term 'franchise player' but all you talked about was basing your list on if the player was going to be a 'franchise player'. You are the one who sounds confused my man.
I know now that Chandler is your boy, but any scout who watched both of those guys play and compared the two were clearly nuts. Are you sure SLAM wasn't just comparing the two because they were both skinny, tall, athletic guys. I find it absurd that they would compare their games as similar. I never saw Chandler hit anything outside of 10ft when he was with the Bulls. Surely if he could drain threes they would have noticed that.
Again, for the 10th time, I am not basing my list on where the player got drafted. I don't care what the 12 GM's that passed on him were thinking at the time. They get it wrong all the time as I have stated in previous posts. I also don't care what happened between his last day of school and the draft workouts. When he graduated from Lincoln High School the kid had been a big time prospect since the 6th grade and was talked about as being a 'franchise player'. He just didn't show up and deliver at the workouts much like Kwame, Stromile, and Miles didn't show up in the NBA.
And I will have you know that my reading comprehension is phenomenal!
And c'mon man you put Stromile Swift on your almost list. He averaged 16-8 in college. He went 2nd based on potential and a very weak draft. Do you really think that he was supposed to be a franchise player?
WOW i'm really suprised how no one mentioned O.J. Mayo..he was so so hyped