Houston and Their GM Are The Big Winners
I cannot believe how much Houston received in return for the little they gave up yesterday. Houston GM Morey was able to convert a huge contract for a player on his last legs [Tracy McGrady], an excellent 6th man [Carl Landry], and Joey Dorsey into:
A. Exchanging number 1 Draft choices with NY in 2011
B. Receiving the Knick's Number 1 Draft Choice in 2012
C. Obtaining the Knicks 2009 number one draft choice, Jordan Hill
D. Acquiring an outstanding offensive talent in Kevin Martin
E. Getting an extra big man in Hilton Armstrong
I don't think there's any doubt that Houston was the big winner at the end of the NBA Trade Deadline. If you're counting, that comes to three number one draft choices from NY, which could prove to be extremely valuable if Jordan Hill develops and the Knicks don't sign a big time free agent.
The competition wasn't close, so let's give credit where it's deserved, to GM Darryl Morey.
I don't know...it sounds ok on paper at first but you are looking best case scenario. Let's look at worst case. Armstrong doesn't provide anything Dorsey didn't, which is nothing. You went the opposite route of about ten other teams in the league and decided to add on salary instead of take it away, I think that was a very good decision based on Yao coming back. If Yao comes back as a shell of himself or gets hurt again this will all blow up in their face. He will be a 7'6" 30 year old coming off an injury and not playing for a year. Regardless of the Yao situation the Rockets have the ability to exchange picks in 2011, which they may not even do if the Knicks sign two FA's this offseason. If they don't exchange the 2011 pick that means the 2012 pick won't be a great pick either. Jordan Hill hasn't shown much this year but I think he will play better on the Rockets than he did the Knicks.
I think the Knicks and Bulls did the best job. They got rid of a lot of payroll which was their goal. I like what the Blazers and Cavs did. As a Kings fan I love what the Kings did as well but that only means something if they can sign a FA. I think everyone accomplished what they wanted to, which is shocking, since someone (Memphis) always seems to get robbed.
I like what the Rockets did, they made a decision to go a direction and they went that way full force, have to respect that. You're right the rockets didn't give up a lot of talent, but will this get them a championship?
and that's NEXT year. Does the current starting 5 look like it's going to beat out Portland, Phoenix, OKC, SA for the playoffs this year?
Lastly I'm not really a fan of "dynamic scoring backcourts." It's tough to have a high scoring pg and sg starting on the same team and I think that's why nelson/carter have struggled in Orlando and Jrich in Phoenix. Boston may have the best backcourt of the top teams and Rondo only scores 14 a game, and Allen isn't a guy that needs the ball in his hands too much. Martin and Brooks score a lot and in order for most guards to score they need the ball in their hands a lot.
Two dominant bigs work better than two dominant guards.
Look at every high scoring pg and look who is in the backcourt with him. Same for all high scoring sgs. Think Ellis and Curry will work out? Jennings/Redd? Hinrich has gotten worse since Rose started scoring. Davis and Gordon may be highest scoring backcourt and look where the Clips are. Also don't you think Gordon would be better with Andre Miller than Davis?
Faction, interesting points, especially the one about high scoring PGs because I always prefer pass first PGs.
Anyway, I think you have to balance what Houston lost versus what they gained.
1. They got far more for T. McGrady than I expected and they can take his salary off the books.
2. As of today, we don't know who they will get for those 2011 and 2012 number one draft choices. Therefore it's hard to place any value on those selections, but at this point in time it certainly looks like an excellent move. It's obviously much better than not having extra draft options.
3. They lost a gem in Carl Landry but giving up someone good is part of the trade process.
4. I like Kevin Martin more than T. Ariza because I think he's more consistent.
5. Jordan Hill, the Knicks number one draft choice in 2009, still has lots of potential. I look at this as the first of 3 number one draft choices the Knicks will probably give to Houston for McGrady and Serigo Rodriguez. Wow!
6. Hilton Armstrong is just another big body and you can always use big guys to give extra fouls.
As for the return of Yao next season and how it will impact the team, obviously that's a big unknown, but it certainly appears to be a major plus.
I think the Knicks gave up too much because they lost yet another number one draft choice and might move down in the 2011 draft. Let's not forget they also gave up their 2009 number one choice.
In addition, NY is factoring in a big unknown, the signing of one or more unknown free agents. That may or may not happen. If it doesn't, then losing those number one draft choices becomes even more significant.
the rockets basicall turned carl landry into a first round pick, a chance to swap picks next year with a team that may or may not get superstars, hilton armstrong who atleast has played in over 100 games unlike dorsey, and a great scorer in martin(when healthy). oh yea and a top 10 pick from this years draft, Jordan hill.
There is some risk involved with martin but the way the trade is looked at from Houston(I live here and listen to the local sports shows) is they gave up carl landry for martin, hill, a possible better pick next year(they can trade picks with NY unless NY has the 1st pick), and a top 5 protected pick in 2012. Giving up Landry is worth the risk. And the talk around town was that they werent going to get a Lebron, Wade, Bosh, or joe johnson(which lets face it, its going to be hard for any team to get those guys). They have to have somebody to compliment Yao, and taking on Martin for 3 more years is a risk they are willing to take.
if they could tolerate tmac and his injuries for 6 years they can play martin for another 3 years,i dont think that thats bad move,you have 20 ppg at will player who is in his prime.... I LOVE Landry but jordan Hill has potential to be 20 10 player if he get chance which hes going to get there he can replace him very easy... and those first round picks thats the best part if knicks dont sign any SUPERSTAR summer,that means that houston practically has top 10 picks next year,and year after which they can use to get rookie bigman that can play behind yao, and develop well
Arman, that was a great point. If the Knicks fail to attract a major free agent[s], they will continue to have a horrible team, which means great draft choices for Houston in both 2011 and 2012.
And if Jordan Hill, the New York 2009 number one selection lives up to his potential, he could make up for the loss of Carl Landry. Once again, that comes to a total of three number one draft choices for McGrady and Sergio Rodriguez, who at least has a chance to become New York's starting PG.
That's one reason why I think trading number one draft choices is often a path to destroying the future of your franchise. Just look at Phoenix which gave away multiple number one draft choices since Robert Sarver became the owner in 2004.
Haha...Rockets fans I see. He just said consider something other than the best-case scenario before you say the rockets did the best job. Personally I think the Cavs did the best job because they gave up nothing for a guy who should fit well into their gameplan. Jamison should help put them into the finals. They should have traded Shaq and his expiring IMO. I don't know what they could have gotten but if Iggy's contract gets you Jamison...Of course, just like the draft, you can't judge these trades until later.
If I'm a rockets fan I hope the rumors aren't true that the Rockets wouldn't waive the physicals or they'd have Amar'e. Didn't sound like they'd have to give much up...
i didnt say they did the best job, i just cant realize why the people are saying that they did bad job,they practically gave up Landry for excelent scorer,young bigman,and potential 10 picks.... and for the record im not rockets fan :)
SportsNinja, there's no doubt that getting Jamison was a great move, one that might garner them a championship this year.
It makes me wonder what Ernie Grunfield is doing in Washington. I hope he has a plan and a strategy, because I certainly don't see anything positive on the horizon for the Wizards. On the plus side, I don't think there are too many players left that Grunfield can give away for virtually nothing.
As for Houston, as I pointed out several times above, they are in great position for the next two seasons.
Yea, I posted something saying I thought Morey got the most out of the deadline too... I think someone was trying to say that he shouldn't be considered the best because the lineup doesn't seem like it will win a championship.
first of all, it's not about whether the GM made the team into a contender (there aren't a lot of teams that can legitimately clam that- those are the teams w the rare stars: LBJ, Melo, Kobe, Dwight- and possibly the Celtics, Hawks and Mavs) Shouldn't it be more about- the GM gave up ______ and got back ______. and then judging based on the fact that what the GM got is way better than what the GM gave up?
Ferry did an amazing job. He gave up Z and a 1st rounder and got Jamison and telfair. Jamison is a huge improvement and should fit in well. But, at the same time, it doesn't change the fact that the starting 4 and 5 positions in Cleveland have their best days behind them... Even if they win this year, how many more 'ships can they win with Shaq and Jamison starting? (I think Jamison has already come out and said he's done once his contract ends)
Walsh also did a pretty amazing job. He gave up 2 first round picks to get a chance at 2 MAX free agents. The players they "gave up" were irrelevant, since they weren't going to resign them anyways.
But, for all that, I agree, Morey wins. He gave up Landry and got Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, Jared Jeffries, and 2 1st rounders!!!!! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he didn't give up something in TMac, but the fact remains that he wasn't playing and wasn't going to be back in Houston. He was clearly the most valuable asset they gave up, with his expiring deal, but they didn't really give him up since he wasnt playing.
They now have 2 of the best defensive forwards in the league with Battier and Jeffries (and arguably a 3rd with chuck hayes) a very good guard defender in ariza. PLUS they added needed offensive fire power with kevin martin. Oh, and top 10 pick Jordan Hill.
xbadgerhustler, that was a great post but let offer a minor correction. In my opinion, Houston received three number one draft choices from the Knicks because Jordan Hill was the 8th choice in the 2009 draft. Jordan Hill was never given an opportunity to play in NY but he showed flashes of the talent that made him a top ten choice last summer.
The 2011 and 2012 draft choices could prove to be extremely valuable if the Knicks fail to sign major free agents and have another losing season next year.
Hill was the 8th but who's counting
He's once again the 8th selection in the 2009 NBA Draft [LOL].