trade monta ellis
yep thats what i think. gs isnt going anywhere anytime soon right and with a young back court of morrow and curry with maggatte at sf randolph and b.wright at pf and andreis at center , it looks like a good deal. yeah they will continue to lose but while they are losing they are getting older more experienced and drafting good players and ideally getting a very good free agent. ellis is good dont get me wrong but i see him along the lines of ben gordan, undersized sg who can score alot but wouldnt build my team around him as a pg. and he takes way too many shots but they still lose. this goes against me saying give back courts time but with him and curry being the same height and the fact he doesnt bring alot to the table other then scoring , has me changing my mind
They would trade Monta if there was a market for him. NBA GMs don't believe that his numbers are inflated due to playing in Nelson's system. No defense to play and no shot is a bad shot. Couple that with the fact that he has a huge contract and he is not attractive for another team to take a chance on. I do agree with you that the best option would be to trade him. However it would have to be an addition by subtraction deal and probably would involve taking on some of his contract which always leaves a bitter taste in your mouth.
With Curry stepping up I don't see this as a bad move at. They could use anything besides a SF and PG if they were to trade him.
I wish they trade him to NY.
If Monta was a Knick that would be Marbury 2.0 all over again.
As for Monta getting traded, think Cleveland has the ability to get him???
yeah i can see that if he was in ny. i think if he changed his game he could fit with cleveland but the guy loves to shoot. and i mean love and that works if you have the ability of wade,lebron,kobe or youre a super star but not if youre undersized and not the type to build a team around.
I think Cleveland needs a SG more than a PF, JJ Hickson is starting to develop and they have Anderson Varejao off the bench. The Cavs starting guard play is weak Mo Williams and Anthony Parker (who is a role player off the bench, not a starter). If the Cavs can find a way to get Monta or Rip Hamilton I think they're a championship team. They can have the starting 5 as Mo-Monta/Rip-Lebron-Hickson-Shaq with Varejao, Gibson, Parker, Jawad Williams, Moon, and Powe off the bench. I would think they would have to trade away Big Z and Delonte West for any chance of landing one of those 2 guys.
its true there guard play isnt the best but it isnt the worst either. mo has all star talent and parker is pretty good. most top teams where there number one option isnt the pg or shooting guard , arent that great. i like rip alot better then i like monta since rip can play in a system and doesnt need to shoot alot or have the ball in his hands alot to be effective, monta does
Ellis' main issue right now is he's playing on the ball due to dictator Nelson's craziness. When he was more efficient he was playing off the ball. Him and Curry have worked really well this year for it just being there first year together. Curry just needs to play on the ball and Ellis off it, it cuts down turnovers and makes the offense run slightly smoother. All this trade Ellis talk amongst fans is a knee jerk reaction to Curry's triple double. I only see him going for a high tier guy like Bosh and that's not going to happen seeing how we value him. He doesnt need to change his game as much as Nellie needs to try to coach for once. He is actually quoted in saying he doesn't tell the vets what to do. He even called Corey Maggette "the boss". He just lets them do what ever they want and has double standards towards young guys (especially bigs). Also to the original post - Your foolish to think AR is a 3. If you have actually watched him he is obviously a 4. Not evven close to a 3, not quick enough, handles aren't good enough, not a good enough outside shot and Morrow as a starter isn't good. Maggette as a starter? That's just. Wow. Also Monta's defense is a lot better this year, don't make judgments about guys you only get to see once or twice a year. Also he brings a ball hawk mentality on defense, a go to scorer (seeing as though the other option is Maggs)And where are you getting he needs the ball to be effective? What about when he was playing off the ball on a playoff team and a 48 win team and was still scoring 20+ a game and had a month of 60% shooting and 26 points per game, he needs to play off the ball. Its that simple. Quick question, why do people think he is a point guard? Not once in his career he's been a point
Mo Williams and Monta Ellis would be one of the absolute worst defensive backcourts in the NBA. I don't think Cleveland should even consider Ellis.
i didnt even see the tiple double..and reguardless of nellie ellis has to dominate tyhe ball to really be effective. i dont know about gs fans but im not a fan i just go by what i see. i dont think nellie is telling monta to shoot as many shots as he does. maybe he can change his game and learn not to shoot so much. from what i see its not nellie who tells him to be so ball dominate its what monta decides to do
Cause Nellie tells him to make his own choices out there and a scorer will try to score. And if you thinkhe needs the ball to be effective than what do you think about him getting MIP and scoring 20.9 a game playing off the ball. He needs the ball to score 35 a night but to be a very good player? Off the ball for him works just as well. He doesnt need to change his game, Nellie needs to change his thinking of Curry can't handle as much as Ellis. He's forcing Ellis to do things he's not suited to do. And how can you see what Nellie tells him to do. Did you not seem him be very very good when he's not dominating the ball? 2006-2008. I guess he dominated the ball back then to and Baron was just a by standard
Golden State has gone with a million different combinations this year, none of them are remotely close to being any good. There isn't a lot of promise. Biedrins has been hurt, but more importantly has lost complete confidence in himself. He might not ever be a good offensive player, but 3-23 from the free throw line is a sure sign of straight-jacket head problems. Randolph flashed promise as a rookie, but didn't build on anything. The only change between last year and this year is that he spent more time clanking 17-footers. The numbers in Nellie's system mean nothing. They have had ten guys go for more than 20 points in a game, and two of the guys who haven't have started half the season at center (Biedrins and Turiaf). It doesn't mean anything that Corey Maggette will average 27-6-4 for a month. It doesn't mean anything when Anthony Morrow goes off for 26-10-6 and 33-11-4 in back-to-back games. It doesn't mean anything when Stephen Curry goes for a triple double. Does anyone think Anthony Tolliver is going to make a career for himself off the fact that Nellie is making a commitment to getting him shots? This is a bad team with no hope. It is sad, but so is a 14-37 record. I would have no problem seeing them blow the whole thing up and take out Nellie in the process. If someone thinks that Stephen Curry and Anthony Randolph are building blocks, I need to get them to watch the Cavs and Lakers. Those teams have building blocks, at best the two Golden State has are guys. Monta Ellis is better than either, obviously isn't as good as his numbers, but a major difference maker. If he was put on Atlanta, Toronto, Miami, Portland, or OKC they become really interesting. Atlanta would be really scary in the playoffs. Toronto, Portland, and Miami would have a realistic shot of being more than a first round tomato can. Imagine the Thunder with a second offensive threat not only this year but going forward. The Thunder would be really scary if they went to Golden State and pursued Ellis and Turiaf.
how does bad shooting for the free throw line have anything to do with head problems?..thats made zero sense...anyway andries has missed more then half of the first half of the season. he might not be at ful;l strength untill march if that and back injuries are nothing to play with. at full strength he is a 12 10 and 2 blk center which is nice. its funny because they were just talking about him on nba tv today and coaches and players were all talking about how every team in the leauge would love to have him because of how good of a rebounder he is. they all agreed he will probably never be a scorer but they didnt care because of his rebounding defense and the fact that he's only 23 im not a big fan of randolph or curry but they both could be part of building blocks.no thinks they will be kobe or lebron but in there prime with a star they could be great building blocks. but rem,eber one is in his second year and the othe ris in his first
Really, every team in the league would love to have him? Then I guess they will have no problem dumping his salary. 3-23 from the line is not some aberration. Something isn't right with him where even a .500 career shooter can't outshoot his grandmother.
"The Warriors continue to peddle Andris Biedrins (four years and $36 million left) to achieve cost-savings, while the Clippers are offering Al Thornton and Sebastian Telfair for the same reason, sources say."
dont get "love to have him" mixed him with willing to get him...and free throws have nothing to do with head games. our best player in hs couldnt make freethrows and he is very smart and has no mental problems. ..teams would love to have him at the right price.....you can say what you want but im going by what teams have actually said about the kid..so reguardless what you think about him im just informing you what others have said. and i dont know if you have ever played ball or not but if you have( organized hs,college etc) then you would know you dont have to have mental problems to not be able to shoot free throws
1 Shaquille O'Neal, C CLE 48 11.7 2.2 4.3 106 207 .512
2 Kenyon Martin, PF DEN 48 12.3 1.7 2.9 82 140 .586
3 Kendrick Perkins, C BOS 50 11.2 2.4 4.0 118 201 .587
4 Rajon Rondo, PG BOS 49 14.3 2.1 3.5 101 171 .591
5 Emeka Okafor, C NOR 53 11.0 2.2 3.7 116 196 .592
6 Dwight Howard, C ORL 54 18.0 6.3 10.4 340 564 .603
7 Josh Smith, PF ATL 51 15.2 3.3 5.4 170 276 .616
8 Ronnie Brewer, SG UTH 51 9.6 1.6 2.5 81 128 .633
9 Craig Smith, PF LAC 50 7.8 1.8 2.8 88 139 .633
10 Andrew Bogut