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Questions about the Knicks

I am not a big Knicks fan but I've been wonering about their team a little bit. If they think they will sign LeBron this offseason why haven't they been trying to get as much as possible for either Chandler or Gallinari? Both of their stocks are high right now and they both can't play with LeBron so why not get a guard and a draft pick for one of them? What is the plan after LeBron have him play with 2 other small fowards? Could one of the many Knick fans tell me what's up?


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I am not a Knicks fan but I

I am not a Knicks fan but I think they could play together. Chandler plays some 2 and is okay at it and Gallo can play the 4 and fit perfectly with Lebron..

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Gallo playing the 4 is pushing it, he needs to bulk up some before he can even be a respectable 4. Though I do think he can develop into the defender that Jeffries is in 2-3 years where he can guard a teams 2 guard and give him trouble.

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KNicks plan

I believe that the NY Knicks plan is to bring McGrady as a versitle player who can play the 1,2 and 3... Chandler does a nice job playing 2 and 3 if anything he gives them depth off the bench. Lebron if in NY i believe they are going to allow him to play Point Guard in NY...with

PG. Lebron James/Tracy McGrady/Nate Robinson/Chris Duhon
SG. Tracy Mcgrady/ Lebron James/ Chandler Wilson/Nate Robinson
SF. Galo/Lebron/ Mcgrady/Jeffries
PF. David Lee/Galo/Jeffries/Lebron
C. David Lee/Jeffries/Lebron

It would be the most versitle team in the NBA, next to the Lakers of course..right now LA is stacked with "Tweeners" who can play at 3 or more spots.....(Kobe,Artest,Odom)...I like this trade an i like this move.
But then again this is the Knicks!! this is the same franchise who gave Luke Longley a huge deal. Donnie Walsh if the trade goes through is jus getting the wheels churning in the Lebron sweepstakes.

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t mac

Do you guys think he is really gonna be on the knicks after this year? I thought for sure they just wanted his expiring contract

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the better the cavs have

the better the cavs have looked the more i doubt he is gonna be a knick. with the expiring contracts and the fact that players would like to play with him really makes me believe he is staying. not to mention the cavs can offer the most money. and maybe the knicks are trying to trade chandler. just because we dont hear about it doesnt mean its not happening. there are many trade talks that happen that we dont know about till later. alot of trades are talked about weeks befoore we ever hear about it. also the knicks can afford tmac lee and lebron

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They won't have Tmac,

They won't have Tmac, Lebron, Duhon and Nate thats just not happening and makes lil sense they need more big guys than Nate, Duhon who have flaws.
I wouldn't trade Chandler unless you can get rid of Jeffries or Curry's contract and get a decent young player back too.
He has a lot of potential and is improving every year.
Gallo has been struggling lately not sure if its becaz he's never played these many games or that teams aren't allowing him any good looks probly both. He definately needs to be more agressive off the dribble take more mid range jump shots and get in the post some when smaller players are on him.

Duhon play recently has probly assured him of not being here next year unless he signs a minimum deal as a back up.

The team isn't making the playoffs its time to play Hill and Douglas a lot more.
After the deadline is Jeffies & Harrington are still here, definately would give Hill more mins and same for Douglas he can actually shoot unlike Duhon and he is a better pure pg than Nate.

It all depends on Lebron and I think ppl overrate the Cavs talent.
Shaq and Z will be older next year, Hickson is nice but besides dunks he's not a big time player.
They need to make a trade for either a SG or PF to help them.
Either Jamison or Caron Butler would be great on their team.
Next year Cavs have what 4 million in cap room outside of the mid level.
If they get Lebron to resign they'll probably re up Shaq for 2 more years.
Ferry foolishly gave away cap room for Moon, Parker and Varajeo and it probly won't be enough to win it all.
Those 3 combine to make 13 mill in 2010-2011 could've used that to get a much better player.

Whats this rumor now that Knicks are #1 on Tmac's list if he is bought out I would definatly consider that not having to give up anything for him.

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Hey quincey, havent we seen

Hey quincey, havent we seen this Cavs movie before? Wasn't it last year that they lost only 2 games at home, only to lose double that in the playoffs? There have been plenty of regular season stalwarts that crumble come playoff time, and as long as Mike "Lebron, do what you want" Brown is the coach, the will continue to come up short. Its up to the coach, not the star player to get everyone on the same page, and as good as Lebron and Shaq are, are they going to be able to pick up their teammates confidence when they invariably fail?? We shall see.

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yeah ive seen it before

yeah ive seen it before which is why i still have my lakers winning. the fact that he can get the most money with the cavs and that the cavsd will add another good player leads me to believe hes gonna stay. and the fact tthat the knicks roster doesnt have much to offer. the cavs will go over the cap to keep him and history has shown that the chances of a star going from a title contending team to a team below .500 is very rare. i nmean anything can happen and no one knows for sure but if i had to make a bet id place my money on him staying. and id expect a knicks fan to think hes coming because thats what fans do

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Outside of Lebron, who on

Outside of Lebron, who on the Cavs roster is as good as Lee, or has more potential than Gallinari or Chandler? As for the money situation, when Lebron opts out, and Shaq and Z are gone, the Knicks and the Cavs have virtually the same cap number (27 to 26 mill respectively). It is what it is, everyones entitled to there own opinion, and while mine definitely involves rooting interests, I think it will happen. I am a die hard Knicks fan after all. =P

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if you go by that then there

if you go by that then there are other teams that he woulod go too ahead of the knicks. with miami leading the pack..so that doesnt really hold any weight. and they talked about the money thing on nba on espn the other day. i dont know how it breaks down but the cavs can offer more money to lebron then the knicks can

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and dont forget that lee

and dont forget that lee asked for 12mill last year when he wasnt a allstar and not talked about aqs much. he will get more then that this summer even though im not sure he will deserve it. they cant afford him and lebron. and they will have zero bench if they some how got both.

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All signs are pointing

All signs are pointing towards the Knicks acquiring T-MAC. If he likes NY there is a very good possibility we can re-sign him for a bargain price.

Ridnour is also a target of the Knicks. He is a more capable point than anyone else on the knicks roster and is shooting 40% from 3 this season.

Camby will likely be traded to a contender looking to add some talent before the deadline but he should be a free agency target for the Knicks this offseason.

This is a topic of much debate but if Lebron comes here and we are able to retain all of these players as well as Lee for decent salaries then the Knicks are a very strong playoff contender next year.

PG- Ridnour
SG- Gallinari
SF- Lebron
PF- Lee
C- Camby

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McGrady
Chandler
Hill
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i see you dont understand

i see you dont understand they cant afford all those players. and many nba players like places they play at but they still dont sign for a bargin price. camby nots getting any younger and im pretty sure contending teams have a much better shot at signing him then the knicks do. check out the old post or google the knicks money situation and you will see that its very unrealistic for that roster to happen

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The Knicks currently have

The Knicks currently have $25 million in salary that will be on the cap for next season.

The projected salary has increased to the $57-58 million range.

That leaves $32-33 million for the Knicks to have for free agency this summer.

Lebron's max deal would only allow him to be signed for around 15 million the first year.

Lee is a big ? but could possibly be signed for $10. Just because his agent asked for $12 last year didnt mean that they thought they were going to get it.

That leaves around 8 million for the knicks to spend on McGrady and Camby. I clearly stated that my scenerio would only happen if McGrady would stay for cheap. Camby might also be willing to take less than the MLE that other teams would be able to offer him for the chance to finish his career in NY and have a good chance of winning a ring with Lebron.

Ridnour would be a decent piece to have running the point but the team I built would not need him.

This whole scenerio is based on the assumption that the Knicks dont/cant make any moves with the players that they currently have under contract past 2010. Many people doubt the Knicks can trim any more cap space but it is by no means impossible.

QuinceyHodges, before you go to jump down someones throat about something, check your facts. I know you are very pessimistic about the Knicks and their fans, but stick with your Lakeshow because you cant touch Knicks fans about Knicks knowledge. Let us be optimistic and do our thing. I respect your opinion about the NBA, but thats all it really is, your opinion.

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I'm a Knicks fan and I'll

I'm a Knicks fan and I'll say it....The Knicks wont get Lebron James. I will be shocked if they do. Here's what I see

Trade Deadline till offseason

With that being said, the Knicks will make moves 1st by getting McGrady. I also believe they might get Jefferies' off the books doing so. The Knicks will bring McGrady in and then ( meaning after Trade deadline) probably waive Darko. They might bring in Mike James if Washington waives him. If Boston wants Nate Robinson, I expect that to happen as well. Then they will fight for the 8th seed and fail.

Offseason

With all the contracts off the books, the Knicks will look for a couple of things. The 1st is a Pass 1st point guard. Ricky Rubio will be the main option but if not, I see someone like Travis Diener, Sergio Rodriguez, Luke Ridinour, Jason Williams or even Steve Blake to come in. The 2nd is David Lee. Now he's an all-star, I expect him wanting a 5 year/50 mil deal. They will probably give it too him but if not, look for the Knicks to deal him in S&T ( My Dream? D-Lee to OKC for Nick Collinson and Eric Maynor) 3rd is the Draft. I expect Dantoni wanting another 1st rounder. If they get like the 28th pick- Expect NY to target either a Center or Shooting Guard. With the 2nd rounder, look for Alexey Shved. He's perfect for NY because NY can leave him overseas for a season or bring him over for a test run. 4th is the free agents. After looking for your PG, I expect NY to find guys to help. With Jordan Hill moving up into the starting PF spot, your bench is weak. I expect NY to target 3 of these guys and probably get 2 ( Jarron Collins, Travis Outlaw, Ike Diogu, Oleksiy Pecherov, Udonis Haslem, Craig Smith, Raja Bell and Brad Miller)

Overview

I see NY not doing to well in 2010 FA. Maybe they shock me but I see 2011 as NY's jumpoff year.

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umm check youre

umm check youre numbers..15million per is not max money..before you try to call someone out you might wanna make sure youre right. i dont know if youre thinking about last year but the cap is expected to drop between 50mil and 53 million not go up. and lee isnt gonna sign for 10million when he asked for 12 last year and is playing better this year..whats sense does that make?..now redo youre numbers and get back to me

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I agree that the Knicks

I agree that the Knicks probably wont get Lebron but I dont dismiss it either.

I hope we can get Boston's first rounder for trading Nate. There is a slim chance that someone with tremendous upside like X henry could fall there.

I also do not want to let Lee go. He's the best player we've brought up in a long time.

Nothing I've seen of Shved had impressed me. He looks a little slow and I havent seen anything of his playmaking ability. The desciption Aaran wrote of him leads us to believe he'd be a homerun for us but very few players comparable to him from Europe work out. He is intriguing but I'm not sold.

Our targets with our 2nd round picks should be:

Vasquez
Varnado
Stephenson
Collins
Reynolds
Garcia

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i also said that chances are

i also said that chances are low and i dont think he will go there but anything is possible. to be honest i rather see him there if the knicks could add another player and a bench. but from what ive read and the chances have gotten higher that he stays in cleveland

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i dont think jordan can help

i dont think jordan can help anyone right away hes raw and just isnt ready. alot of people are just blinded because he dunks hard

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The original expectation was

The original expectation was for the salary cap to drop to 50-53 million like you said. However, since attendance hasnt dropped as much as was anticipated, the new projected salary cap is 57-58 million. I was mistaken in my max calculation before. The max contract for a 57 million dollar cap is 17 million in the first year. If the cap is around 50-53 million like you said then the max contract would have to start at 15 million.

As far as Lee goes, Havent you ever heard of bartering? The agent asks for $12 million in hopes of settling around 9-10. There was word that Lee would have signed for 9 but Walsh didnt want to go over 7.5.

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lee's agent didnt barder he

lee's agent didnt barder he said he wants 12 mill. that was last year this year hes gonna want more. and even wit the leauge not making money the projected cap still is talked about being much lower then that. when the cap goes down it doesnt mean the max is gonna go down by the way...lebron is not going to take 11 million. he is gonna get max max and 15 isnt max..i think thats what bosh is projected to get. a team is gonna give lee more then 9-10..youre saying it like no other team will offer lee money. trust me there wil be plenty of teams offering more then what the knicks are willing to give

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every where im reading the

every where im reading the cut is expected to be 3-6million from this years which is 57.7million. i can understand as a knicks fan you are trying to look at anyway you can that makes everything work. and one knick fan actually pulled out a way for it to work but it left them with a bench of hill,douglass,curry,jeffires and 2 second round draft picks with a starting or duhon,chandler,bron,lee and gallo. also with a loss of revenue that would mean the cap would be even lower not higher

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15 is max money if he opts

15 is max money if he opts out. A max contract of a player with 7-9 years of NBA experience can only be 30% of the salary cap.

Who can/will give Lee $12 million?

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not gonna argue about it

not gonna argue about it because someone already put up all the numbers and stats and this and that. and teams will give a allstar 12 million easily..no one knows which team but there will be a couple. trying to make it seemliek lees worth is less then it really is is not gonna help the knicks resign him. sorry but thats just the reality of the situation. check the old post of the person who is a big knicks fan break it down. and the have said on every basketball sports show from nba tv to inside the nba that the cavs can offer him the most money

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The Cavs can give him the

The Cavs can give him the most money as long as he doesnt opt out. If he does then No team can pay him more than 30% of whatever the league slary cap is.

I dont see how you can completely rule out the possibility of Lebron coming to New York. Its unfounded and ignorant.

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im guessing you keep

im guessing you keep skimming through what i say and not rteading. ive said it 2 or 3 times but ill say it again....i dont think he will come to ny but anything is possible..why do you keep thinking i keep ruling out the possibility when ibve said over and over anything is possible

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and relook up

and relook up everything..cleveland can offer him the most money

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"Cleveland, of course, can

"Cleveland, of course, can offer James the most money -- a six-year deal in the range of $120 million. The Knicks and the Nets have the salary cap space to give James the maximum they are allowed to offer -- a five-year deal in the mid-to-high $90 million range. "

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/02/11/lebron/i... ever you look you will see cleveland can offer him the most money

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Yeah and....? Yes Cleveland

Yeah and....?

Yes Cleveland can offer him the most money because they can offer their own player more money than other teams can. I know this.

If he opts out then he can only get 30% of a team's salary cap. The contract can increase each year after the 1st year at 30% though. I believe it can increase by 8% but I cant remember.

Anyways.... "IF" Lebron came to NY, we would only pay him around 15 if the cap is 50-53 or around 17 if the cap is 57-58.

I cant think of any team that will be willing to pay Lee 12 million per year but you're right that there is quite possibly a team out there. Regardless, it is possible to assemble the team forementioned above.

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even if he opts out they can

even if he opts out they can offer him the most money..and just because you cant think of a team doesnt mean a team will. just look at what other players who do what he does are making or will get.. thats what sets a nplayers vaule. hes not accepting the same amount of money that paul millsap got when he is a allstar. ansd im not sure if you know this but the cavs can go over the cap to sign him which im pretty sure they would do to sign him

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But seven insiders are

But seven insiders are convinced that James isn't going anywhere, while the other three rate his chances of sticking around at 50-50-depending on Cleveland's performance in the playoffs. While the Cavs can offer James close to $30 million more than any other team over the length of a six-year contract

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this is based off of him becoming a free agent and takes in account the cap going down....each ppost takes both of those things into account

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ok lets assume for a min

ok lets assume for a min that max money is 15-16 mill..

$53.6 million salary cap: $23.4 million in cap space

$50 million salary cap: $19.8 million in cap space

thats the projected cap..between the nba insiders as of feb 10

if lebron gets 16million in the best case that meansd david lee would have to accept 7million?..you can believe what you want but teams WILL offer him more than that. if the cap is 50 lebron gets 16 lee isnt gonna accpet 3milliom

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