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checking back on westbrook/rose debate

i haven't been on this much, but i was just wondering if people still think that rose is better than westbrook...? Rose, to me, is not a great defender and his jumper hasn't come along as quickly as i had hoped... that said, he shoots a lot higher FG% this year (47 to 41), averages less turnovers (but also significantly less assists), and scores about 4 more points per game. he does rebound a lot less than RW and gets less stls.

RW also has played on a team that is overachieving, while i don't think you can say the same thing about the bulls. the past 3 fames RW has showed what he can do posting 9-1, 10-2, and 10-2 Ass-TO. if he can do that consistently through a season, i think the Thunder are a 60-win team...

Thoughts on the two players?


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if you're basis

If you're basis is on stats, Derrick Rose is still better... Defense is his weakness but like I said, it was also LeBron's weakness too.. I think his 3rd season and 4th we'll see a lot of improvements considering who's he surrounded with... (Lindsey Hunter, Kirk Hinrich and now Randy Brown as the asst coach)... He'll get better as he grows up... As for his assists not being that much, you blame it on his teammates for not knocking their shots down... Salmons, Deng and Hinrich are shooting bricks the moment Rose passes the ball to them... If they made their shots, Rose would be averaging 7-8 assists now...

Russell Westbrook is a good point guard and an explosive athlete... But you forgot that OKC is Kevin Durant's team NOT his... He's a mere part of the puzzle in which Sam Presti is trying to built... He is going to give very good numbers for the young team but he's nowhere near the caliber that Derrick Rose is... Did you see how Rose is taking over games right after the Christmas break? It's been unbelievable...

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I would take westbrook but i

I would take westbrook but i like defensive players to idk who is better. Rose is a far better scorer. Also it would be harder for Rose to get rebounds because he has big men that do a good job of that while westbrook does not. Both are average passers but westbrook has durant to throw it to which blows up his assists. It really comes down to if you want offence or defence from your point. Rose gets more love from the media because he is in a bigger market and had a great playoff series.

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I think westbrook is a

I think westbrook is a championship piece but rose is a championship player.. if that makes sense. both are amazing players

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i haven't been on this much,

i haven't been on this much, but i was just wondering if people still think that rose is better than westbrook...? Rose, to me, is not a great defender and his jumper hasn't come along as quickly as i had hoped... that said, he shoots a lot higher FG% this year (47 to 41), averages less turnovers (but also significantly less assists), and scores about 4 more points per game. he does rebound a lot less than RW and gets less stls.

RW also has played on a team that is overachieving, while i don't think you can say the same thing about the bulls. the past 3 fames RW has showed what he can do posting 9-1, 10-2, and 10-2 Ass-TO. if he can do that consistently through a season, i think the Thunder are a 60-win team...
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Rose, and its not very close.

His jumoer has come along great actually...imo anyways....Thats why he is such an effective scorer now...His midrange game is a constant threat, and he has even been shooting the three ball lately....He is not a great defender, but is not a bad one at all....The assists #'s arent great because for his team to win he has to score, alot....Nobody else on the bulls roster is a threat at all on offense besides Rose,honestly...Deng maybe,but he is essentially a spot up mid range shooter...Westbrook plays with one of the best scorers in the game

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As of now I give the slight
As of now I give the slight edge to Rose.  I never thought Westbrook would be this good though. Really can't go wrong with either one, just a personal preference.   I remember shaking my head in disbelief when the Thunder took Westbrook with the 4th pick...I thought at the time they made a bad choice
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Oh, and xbadger...I dont

Oh, and xbadger...I dont think the Thunder are even a 50 win team yet...Even if Westbrook maxed out his potential right now...they need a bigman really badly....60 win teams are usually championship teams....the thunder aren't one....The Bulls have been winning lately though because of Roses play

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To the person saying

To the person saying Westbrook is second fiddle to Durant mean's nothing and doesn't prove anything because Rose would play second fiddle to Durant as well.

But I do believe Rose is better than Westbrook.

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they're on pace right now

they're on pace right now for 47 wins! (actually 48 if you round up from 47.56) and i feel like they're a team that's only getting better as the year goes on. it'd be incredible and a huge improvement if RW could keep up a 4 or 5:1 asst-to ratio, so i dont think it's that far off to say they might win significantly more games (even 60).

also, i'd be interested to see how many of RW's assists go to durant.

I'd probably take RW over Rose, but i'm a big fan, so i'm pretty biased. one other thought on rose, with how explosive he is, how does he not get more FT attempts?

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The reason for the lack of

The reason for the lack of free throw attempts for Rose: This is true, he is so quick that when he attacks the rim there usually isn't anyone around to foul him. He is very smart and seems to only attack the rim when he knows he can crossover his opponent and get the open dunk or lay up.

Just wait until Rose gets someone to play alongside of. The debate will officially be over.

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Chicago makes 36.8 field

Chicago makes 36.8 field goals per game at 44% shooting. OKC hits 36.5 at 45.6

Rose makes less assists per field goal then Russel. I don't know how you can say Durant makes a the difference in Russel's assists.

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Rose is the better player, I

Rose is the better player, I think you have to be a big fan of westbrook to even consider it that close really.

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well, i guess since

well, i guess since lawdeezee said rose is better, he must be better. lol

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Rose has always been the

Rose has always been the better player to me, except at the early stages of the season when he was struggling..That was when you'd get me to say that Westbrook was better. I'd take Rose, he seems better just by watching the 2 play and comparing them that way. Rose seems to just have that "it" factor about him that Westbrook doesn't have. Westbrook is a beast though, especially for someone as new to the position as he is, it's amazing that he's as good as he is despite rarely ever playing the position before the NBA.

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every super heroe need a side kick

every superhero need a sidkick and that just what westbrook is to durant. like m.j and pippen, stockton and malone ,shaq and kobe
i just named h.o.fs just for the cuase kevin does alot of iso so give russ credit for his ast and he if get a real jumper no one would wanna match up agianst these two players

And if he was on chicago he most likely have the same numbers with more rebs and stls and maybe more asts

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statistics

You cant really measure statistics because rose is the focus of the opposing defenses as he is the only real offensive theat on the team and westbrook has a much better scorers surronding him not just durant

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"And his jumper hasn't come along as quickly as I had hoped..."

Lol... And what about Westbrook's jumper? Rose is a MUCH better shooter than Westbrook... Like someone said above too... Rose has been knocking down that mid-range jumper consistently for the past couple of months. Westbrook shot below 40% the entire first half of the season...

I like Westbrook, but Rose is better to me and it's not really that close... Rose has the ability to take over a ball game offensively and the potential to be a number one option kind of player, which Westbrook doesn't. The only area that Westbrook is clearly better at is defense.

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first of all, i definitely

first of all, i definitely pointed out that rose shoots much better than russell, tezo. that said, i'd say when they both came into the league, Rose had a lot less to work on compared to RW in terms of their overall game. That's why I was hoping to see more improvement from rose cuz realistically, what other places does his game need work? It's the same flat shot he had at memphis.

If rose had improved as much as RW has, he'd be top 10 in the league.

Tezo, why does he have so few FTAs/gm? someone above said it's cuz he's so good at getting to the basket... i still think he should be drawing fouls... but whatever. is it all the floaters? someone said something about that.

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I think Rose isn't getting

I think Rose isn't getting to the free-throw line as much because he's settling for the jumpshot. He's been selective about attacking the rim, which is something I think he picked up while being injured at the beginning of the season.

Rose's mechanics still need work, but he's gotten better. Have you not been watching? He's been knocking down the mid-range jumpshot on a consistent basis for the last two months. His mid-range jumper is much improved and he's getting more arch.

IF Rose keeps taking over games like he has been, top ten may be within his reach by the end of next season, ESPECIALLY if the Bulls are able to pair him with an All-Star player. That's how good he's been since getting over the ankle injury.

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i haven't watched him as

i haven't watched him as much as I'd like to...

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I haven't ever really been

I haven't ever really been able to watch the Thunder on tv (Sucks cuz I'm a huge fan) cuz they never show it where I'm at, but I can honestly say Rose is better. Westbrook has improved tremendously since his rookie season, but once Rose develops, he will be unreal. When they are both in their primes, I think Rose will be the best PG in the league

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Rose vs. Westbrook

January 4,
Westbrook- 29pts, 6ast, 7reb, 2 stls, 4 to....in 44 min
Rose - 19pts, 7ast, 3reb, 2 stls, 2to...in 36min

January 27,
Westbrook- 10pts, 7ast, 2reb, 1stl, 4to.....in 30 min
Rose- 26pts, 7ast, 3reb, 2 to......in 36 min

head to head they get after each other...i like OKC i think they are a good team, and Westbrook fits that system cause he plays better defense then Derrick Rose but other then that Rose is has his number..Assist to Turnover ratio favors Rose....and with 19 points for Rose is a off night, Westbrook gets 10 points its a solid performance.

Rose is the best PG in the East right now...All Star weekend is his coming out party!

Rose is on another level, but Westbrook is a very good player

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asst-to ratio favors

asst-to ratio favors westbrook, i believe. (maybe not in those two games u mentioned...but for the season thus far)

i'd say the thunder need more from westbrook than 10 pts most nights if they wanna win games. he's their second leading scorer a lot of nights.

i love how people just say, well westbrook's only advantage is he plays better defense- when defense is half the game. i donno. rose is probably better, but its kinda funny that defense isnt more of a factor in deciding how good a player is.

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Derrick Rose is not better

Derrick Rose is not better than Rajon Rondo. Thus, he is not the best PG in the East.

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wait

Derrick rose is a better player then rajon rondo besides defense what can rondo do better then rose

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Rondo is the best point

Rondo is the best point guard in the East and this is coming from a huge Rose fan...

I have my concerns about his shooting, especially from the free-throw line, BUT... He still finds ways to score. He can get to the basket whenever he wants (even though defenders play two-three steps back lol) and he finishes in traffic... He's creative around the basket. Amazing playmaking ability... He's basically a walking triple double.

Two different players on two different teams, playing two completely different roles though.

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Rondo is not the best PG!

u put any PG to play with that Boston Celtics team and they would all do the same if not better then Rondo...Rondo had one good playoffs series and all of a sudden he is the best PG in the East????? no way..i will take Rose over Rondo any day, and if you had any bit basketball knowledge you would do the same...

R u kidding me Rondo better then Rose????? thats awful!!!!

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Yeah, to be honest I don't

Yeah, to be honest I don't see how Rondo is better than Rose. Rose is significantly better on offense, a good defensive player(not better than Rondo, but he is definitely not a liability), can take over games when needed....I dont know, Rondo is a slightly better playmaker but he is a liability on the offensive end

xbaderhustler-D has a big impact on which players better, your right.It hould always be taken into account

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i have never watched a game

i have never watched a game where i thought rose was anything but an average defender, at best... he just doesn't seem to care. he clearly has the tools to be a great defender. he just has to care. he relies on his god-given abilities tooooo much

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