What does this guy have to do be at least considered for the 1st round.He averages 25 and 10 in the best confrence in the country. People get so rapped up on size and athletics. Looking back would you rather have Blair or Jordan Hill? And look at guy like Carl Landry. Also picked in the second round and he is better than half of the guys picked before him.
Expect him to be pick late 1st round or early 2nd..The recent success of undersized powerforwards like Millsaps & Blair opened the door for him..He has too many pluses not to be drafted..He knows the games,rebounds well, have a decent outside shot, can handle the ball a little bit, isnt afraid of contact and he boxes out well... plus he's coachable..but does he have the foot speed to guard those athletic bigs?
He has Fred Flinstone feet but I think he will be a very good bench player for years due to his hustle and nose for the game. I am pulling for him.
Now that's funny!
NBA Scouts I've spoken to like him more than i do. He is considered a guy that could sneak into the late first round with the thought that he could add something (toughness, rebounding, scoring) right away to a winning team. He also brings the right mindset to a team, with such a high motor and competitiveness.
People always bring up Carl Landry but he's actually 6-9 with long arms. He was listed at 6-7 throughout his college career but measuered 6-8 barefoot making him a legit 6-9. He's not an undersized power forward!!!
Scouts that like Harangody mention Chuck Hayes and Blair as a comparison. He had pretty good combine numbers last year. Some love him, some hate him. He's definitely a throwback, and a tough guy to project.
i said the same thing when i talked to a former nba scout who was my brothers college coach.
I've been watching Harangody for a long time and he's been doubted at every level. He doesn't "look" like a ball player, so people doubt him. They doubted him during middle and high school ball in Indiana. At the end of games though, he'd have 30 and 15. They've doubted him at Notre Dame, yet he's won his conference's player of the year award and will win it this season too. He keeps proving people wrong, yet consistently doesn't get the respect he deserves.
I don't think he'll be a great player in the NBA, BUT he'll be a good one... One of those guys who sticks around and has a long career. He's one of those guys who just knows how to play.
Tezo83, that was a fantastic analysis.
I look at Harangody and think there's no way he can make it in the NBA. But he's guarded and often double teamed by some of the best athletes in the Big East and at the end of the day he comes up with the kind of stats you described above. He's one of those guys whom you cannot judge by his height, reach, or other physical measurements.
I also agree that he won't be a star at the next level, but he should be a valuable role player.
The Goat is a beast. People are going to sorry they pass on him. The guy is super strong and is a much btter athlete than people give him credit for. Also, he is a workhorse and a great lockerroom guy. Not a star but a good role player.
Why are people counting out Jordan Hill already?? I think he is going to be a 16 and 8 player in two or three years. He gets limited minutes, but he is playing behind David Lee and Al Harrington. When he is on the court he is very productive with the minutes he gets. In January, he is averaging 4.4 poings and 3.2 rebounds in only 11 minutes. He may not be able to play right away for the Spurs like Blair can. I think Blair is going to have a fine career but I dont think in 2012 people are going to be laughing at Hill going in the lottery. The guy Hill is playing behind (David Lee) averaged 5 points and 4 rbs per game as a rookie and many all-stars and good players had very humble rookie numbers.
Joe Wolf, I thought that was an excellent post. To answer your question, Americans are spoiled. They expect instant success in all aspects of our lives but especially in the world of sports. It appears as if most people no longer realize that it takes most players 2-3 years to adjust to life in the NBA.
Jordan Hill hardly plays with the Knicks, and when he does get an opportunity, he's shown flashes of the kind of talent that made him a top ten choice. I don't know if he will develop and become the kind of player you project, but he definitely has that kind of potential.
Having said that, what does Jordan Hill have to do with this thread on Luke Harangody?
thanks, yeah, that may have been confusing putting it in there, but the initial post said something along the lines as looking back who would you rather have Blair or Hill? meaning Blair was the obvious choice 45 games into their careers.
Can he make it in the NBA? Yes. I'm not crazy about the 43 percent from the floor in Big East play, not after it was 46 percent last year. I don't give a great deal of respect to big numbers on a bad team, but he could carve out a career in the right situation? Yes. I think he will probably fare better than Hansbrough because he has a more developed perimeter shot. He could probably have some value to a team that likes to post up their guards or wings and would want a 4 who could knock down a jumper, but that would only be the case if that team also has a shot blocking center who can cover for the fact that Harnagody is a bad defender. He is still a 6'6 power forward who lacks a big wingspan or explosive athleticism to overcome it. The guys who make a career with those features are few and far between: Chuck Hayes, Craig Smith, and Jon Brockman come to mind. I just don't think a backup power forward who will probably only be able to be used situationally is worthy of a late first round pick, especially in a draft that is so incredibly deep at the power forward and combo forward position.
Take your pick:
If you think he is going to be a late first round pick, he'd have to be among the top five of that group. I understand that it really only takes one team to like him over all those guys for him to end up being taken in the first, but I can completely understand why he would be projected in the mid-to-late 2nd round right now given the other options.
you cant use the "the guy is playing behind" excuse too much in the nba because every team has a average to good big so if you arent better then them youre always gonna be playing behind someone. i do think hill will turn out to be good but its gonna take awhile because he's pretty raw and big men tend to take longer to adjust in the nba. luke is good enough to put up good numbers on any college team and hes proven against the best big men the big east has had to offer that he can play just as well or dominate them. it may not trasnlate into the nba the same way but i have no doubt he can do better then blair,psyco t and the kid from washington in sac town, in his first year
Hey JoeWolf1, that was my error. I just noticed that comment about Jordan Hill in the initial post of this thread.
BothTeamsPlayedHard, I don't think anyone in their right mind is projecting Harangody as a future NBA star. Most objective observers see him as a decent role player, a guy who can give you 15-18 minutes per game. In light of that, I think he merits a place at the very end of the first round or definitely within the first 3 to 4 choices in the 2nd round. If you draft a guy like Harangody at that point in the draft, I think you're getting fair value.
NBADraft.net had him listed as number 45 and I think they recently moved up him a couple of notches. Draft Express has him rated at number 53. As I mentioned in previous threads on this subject, I don't believe anyone can show me 44 players who are better than Luke Harangody. In terms of Draft Express, they have to be crazy to think there are 52 players who have more NBA potential than him.
and as far as his career i can see him putting up hasleem or matt harpring numbers
BothTeamsPlayedHard- I would probably only take Harangody ahead of about 9 guys on that list you made. Of course a lot of those players won't even declare for the 2010 draft.
I think Harangody is going to be an early 2nd to mid 2nd round pick.
There is a definate need for tough nosed experienced players like Harangody, I agree with gatorheels on him being an early to mid 2nd rounder. Take a look at Jon Brockman last year he was promised a selection by a team we know to be the Kings very early in the draft process. So early he didn't work out with any more teams nor did he goto the combine. Harangody is, in my opinion, a more talented and skilled player than Brockman, but they are both undersized powerforwards who aren't particularly athletic, although Harangody was the strongest player in last years' combine and had a surprising 33'' max vert. That may seem like some random assortment of stats now that I look at, but what I'm trying to say is a player like Harangody can fit a specific team need and with a 28-48 pick in the draft that is a big part of the selection process when the guys with the very high ceilings are gone.
theres no reason he cant slip into the first. a good stacked team like the lakers or denver could take a chance on him. he could be to denver what linas keliza could be. good teams seem to like older players who can contribute right away so they can continue to stay on top
Quincey, neither the Lakers or the Nuggets have a first.
rtbt, merit a late first over who? If you want to make the argument that he is older, more experienced, and more polished then why would a team take a 6'6 Luke Harangody over Craig Brackins? Why would they take him over Deon Thompson? Over Trevor Booker? I just want to hear the case for what he would do that Brackins, Thompson, or Booker would not. What does he project to do better than any of those three? Let's just remove the long, athletic 4s and the stretch 3/4s from the picture and just focus on those four who fit that label of low floor, role playing, hard nosed power forwards. I wouldn't take him over any of those three, and I'm not sure any of them are locks to go in the first.
i ment to say a team like lakers or denver could pick him up. meaning a team that is already pretty much set with starters. also luke is 6'8 in shoes. he was measured last year at the combine and he has a longer wingspan then blake, psyco t and is .5 shorter wingspan then blair. so his height/wingspan wont be a issue
I think Cleveland could take a chance on a guy like Harangody with a late first rounder. With the emergence of JJ Hickson they have an athletic PF who can run the floor and hit a 15 footer, they could use a guy like Harangody to fill the role of a hard nosed rebounder type player who can hit a 15 footer and can play minutes right away. After all, Darnell Jackson fill those same voids and his contract is up after this season and I would imagine he would explore his options playing more minutes for another team. Leon Powe hasnt worked out for them either, and I think Harangody could be a potential pick for the Cavs.
im not so sure about that joe because leon powe hasnt played a game for them yet. he's been injured
Im just saying its a possibility, I would assume Jackson won't be back with Cleveland next year, and they might want to try to upgrade that position in the draft. They could lose Big Z or Shaq to retirement so they could want to bolster their front court if a guy like Pittman is off the board. They could also go with an international player, but a super experienced college player who can rebound and not mess up could be a player they would jump on because they dont have a 2nd rounder.
i think they would go after pittman before luke since they have a more pressing need at center. shaq will probably be gone as well as big z
Yeah, I too think Pittman would be a good fit there, and he has not played as strong in conference play as he had in non-conference. He could still be available with the 29th or 30th pick, but I think because of what he does do well someone will take him before then. Contrary to this website I think Jordan is a sure fire 2nd rounder and I don't think he will be taken in the first, so they may just go for more experience at the power forward because a worst case scenario Anderson Varajeau could play center if necessary
"i ment to say a team like lakers or denver could pick him up. meaning a team that is already pretty much set with starters. also luke is 6'8 in shoes. he was measured last year at the combine and he has a longer wingspan then blake, psyco t and is .5 shorter wingspan then blair. so his height/wingspan wont be a issue"
Quincey, not quite true.
Leon Powe was never expected to get on the floor until after the All-Star break. He is supposedly ahead of schedule physically, but with the schedule being what it is haven't had much practice time to get him up to speed.
did you even read that link or just put it up just to put it up?..it says luke 6'8 with shoes and 8'10 reach
.5 wingspan shorter than Blair when he has a 7'2 wingspan? Longer wingspan than Griffin and Hansbrough when they both have 6'11 1/2" compared to Luke's 6' 9 3/4"
I don't like him as a prospect. His only thing that's likely to translate to the NBA is his rebounding. He won't be a scoring threat like he is in college because he won't just be able to bully guys down low nearly as much (as someone said, he has Fred Flintstone feet), he lacks the perimeter game to play SF (and quickness and athleticism), he's never been a good defender because of his poor physical tools. I think he'd be too foul prone to play NBA basketball..With that said, some team will take a chance on his in the early to mid-2nd round where there is no guaranteed money and less risk is involved
He won't be able to bully players like he can in college, but he is certainly strong enough to play post in the NBA because he is 240 and one of the strongest players who competed in the combine last year( highest bench reps of anyone, but I realize just because you can bench the most doesn't mean you are the strongest) If Jon Brockman can give you 3 and 5 in limited minutes, and Blair can give you 8 and 6 as rookies, then I think Harangody can split the difference, I still think he has a big range in his stock right now, like I said earlier I think he could go as high as 28( there are 1 or 2 teams I think could bite) but he could drop as low as 48 ( but most likely still make a roster) and I wouldn't be shocked, everyone knows what he can do as a player because of his experience, and since he did the combine last year everyone knows what he has athletically, there are no surprises with him unless he shows up this year in better shape and does better in the drills.
It's hard for me to imagine him being picked in the first round, but he'll have a chance to state his case... Regardless of where he gets picked, I think he'll find his way into the league and surprise some people. He may have "Fred Flinstone feet" and lack all of the combine traits, but the dude just knows how to play. On the right team, I think he could contribute the first day he steps on the floor.
i actually used to think the same thing joe about him bulling but the more games i watched the more i noticed he doesnt need to bully to score. he can score off of set plays or broken plays or hustling
yeah quincey, i agree and if he is averaging 23 or 25 ppg year in and year out, although he won't be more than the 4th or 5th option on the court in the pros (maybe 3rd if he is feeling it) one would think he can create shots for himself to some degree on the next level. This the thing I don't get, a lot of people doubt him to no end, but Harangody isn't the first undersized power forward who has very successful in college and doesn't wow you in the combine, but is clearly an NBA player. Malik Rose, Chuck Hayes, Reggie Evans, Michael Ruffin, Darnell Jackson, I bet every team has a 6'6''-6'8'' over acheiver power forward with limited athleticism on their roster. No one is saying Harangody is a lottery pick, but to say he isnt an NBA player I just dont get.