GREG MONROE > W.JOHNSON
not sure why i didnt post this before. greg is a better player with a higher ceiling in my opinion, his potential is higher then all these guys that we chat about. favors, cousins, johnson, turner. this guy puts up numbers just like or better then the rest of them while being a 6'11 pf. he has a midrange and can knock down the 3 and hes only a soph. he averages less points then wes but attempts less. he is a better rebounder and suprisingly gets more assists as a center then johnson. hell he averages more assist then bledsoe who is a point guard. and potentially he has more then any other big man. 6'11. good post moves with a jumper that extends to the 3 point line. can handle the ball and can pass!!!! and its not like he's come out of nowhere. he was the number one player in the nation coming out of hs
I agree...But he doesn't have that mentality to be a go to guy. Either does Wes, but I don't think Monroe will be a star.
On a side note...I'd take Davis over Monroe and I'd also take Favors over him. Just my opinion. Monroe is unique, but he is reluctant to play in the post and he doesn't have a good enough jumper to compensate ala Aldridge.
GOOD POINT! BUT FAVORS IS A "BEAST TO BE" MONROE IS A BEAST RIGHT NOW......THEN WHY DOES THIS WEBSITE HAVE HIM SO LATE.
maybe power because this website is one guys opinion just liek all of us. not sure if you realize but these mock drafts are created by regular people who like basketball as much as we do. favors is MAYBE beast to be. thats why people always say POTENTIAL because players have had that label and reached it while other have had that and never reached it. and greg monroe does have that mentality sometimes. but he suh a team player that it doesnt seem that way. he will never have that killer instinct like a kobe or jordan. he has the garnett type instinct. remeber kg in minny?...put up good numbers but he could have put up more if he was selfish but he is such a team player. alot like rasheed as well. not sure how much you wath monroe but his jumper is better then what lamarcus was at this point in his college career and will get better. like lamarcus his game isnt to bang so why would he try to just bang?..his game is finesse mixed with a lil power from time to time. matter of fact he reminds me alot of lamarcus to be honest and wouldnt be supirsed if thats how he turns out to be like once he gets in the nba
Jumper was not better than Lamarcus. Not even close. I get what your saying. Doubt Monroe will be as good...Aldridge has upstoppable post moves from the high post.
I see Monroe as a 14 ppg, 8 rpg and 3 apg type of guy who gets a block and maybe a steal...Does that sound right? I mean, it all depends on what team he goes on.
Monroe would fit well with memphis if they keep gay
Johnson would fit well with jennings and bogut in milwaukee
Yea good point quincey... too be honest monroe skill set is down right nasty... gasol doesnt have a killer instinct last time i checked he was doing pretty good... i think he will be a good player ... never a star...
not sure if you remeber lamarcus but his jumpe rin college wasnt what it is today. not even close.
But it was still very good...He didn't even need to shoot in college because nobody could really guard him lol...Of course his jumper now is way better.
Greg Monroe and Hasheem Thabeet in Memphis would potentially be a great fit together.
lamarcus had more bounce though. both had nice foot work in the post.. what sfunyn is they are the same height same weight and damn near the same stregnth and weakness. both had there mental toughness questioned and if they had that go hard in them
LaMarcus runs the floor better and jumps higher. Not sure if Monroe is 6,11 like LA, but he is atleast 6,10 and that is really good for a 4 or even a 5 in today's NBA game. I think Monroe has a little more potential driving to the basket. He has some solid handles and I think he can get to the line quite a bit if he wants to drive. Especially if he plays the 5.
a rotation of
c Gasol - Thabeet
pf Randolph - Monroe
sf Gay - draft pick
sg Mayo - Young
pg Conley - draft pick
would be great
Greg Monroe is going to be a big-time offensive big man in the NBA. I see him being a Pau Gasol type in the right system. He's very skilled, and I don't know if y'all are watching but Monroe can function in the low post much better this year. He's worked to get more core strength obviously. Put the improvements he's made in the low post mixed with the already high-level high post game he has passing and shooting the ball, and you may have a future top player in the NBA if all goes well. He's just that skilled. I think he'll be better or at least just as good as Johnson...
i'm not saying he isn't a good passer but don't compare his assists to bledsoe. Their is another pretty good point guard on Kentucky that is getting the assists.
yeah but monroe isnt a pg and has the ball alot less then bledsoe. yet he gets the same assists so yeah i will compare. blesode has to share with one other pg. monroe has to share with a pg, sg, and sf all of which handle the ball more then him. i think bledsoe actually averages more turnovers then assists
Big men with his physical and athletic attributes who can pass the ball and have the kind of feel for the game that Monroe has are worth their weight in gold. It doesn't take too much to remember those late 90s early 00s Blazer teams with Sabonis and Sheed or the Spurs with Duncan and Robinson, the early 00s Kings with Webber and Vlade, or even those 2006 Suns when they were playing Diaw at the 5. It elevates the play of the entire team when the big men can reward the guards and wings as easily as the point guard can set them up. Even if he doesn't become a 20-10 All-Star who carries his team night in and night out, he is worth a high pick. He had 6 assists today matching a season high, it doesn't even register because he drops 4 or 5 all the time. Hassan Whiteside has 6 assists on the season. Lawal 8, Favors 17, Alabi 13, Cousins 16... People can take some of these other big men over Monroe, but I'd be good rolling with this guy for the next decade.
i agree. i think someone took it to heart by me saying he averages the same amount of assists as bledsoe. that is saying how bad of a passer bledsoe is thats show how good of a passer monroe is. if people think 3 ast for a pg who handles the ball more then a center and whos job is to create more then monroe averaging the same or more as a center must be off the charts
Monroe's assists are because of the Princeton offense Georgetown runs, along with his passing skills for a big man, which is nothing short of elite. I do think Bledsoe would average more assists if he was a PG for Kentucky. But that's something we'll have to see either next season for Kentucky, or next year in the NBA
hopefully he doesnt make a mistake and go to the nba because he isnt ready unless he doesnt mind being a 3rd string pg
Quincey, do you realize that 90% of the time, during the course of a Kentucky game, the offense is run through John Wall? That would explain Bledsoes' low asssts #'s
which makes the fact that he averages so many turnovers even worst since he handles the ball lets say 5percent of the time
Monroe actually looks like he could gain more weight easier than Lamarcus. Monroe's body frame is different. I see some Lamor Odom in him without the athleticism and maybe Webber in later years.
But will it affect his athleticism? Some players simply can't handle the extra weight. LaMarcus has done a good job of adding weight though. He is much more defined.
Weaknesses: More effective in the high post than low post … Lacks any real post skills, and his proficiency at facing the basket can be a drawback as it keeps him from polishing his back to the basket moves …
Body strength is a question mark. Tends to avoid contact … He gets pushed out of position by bigger and stronger post players, and he currently does not have enough bulk to bang in the low post in the NBA
Finding an optimum playing weight will be important as towards the end of his high school career
he bulked up and it hindered his quickness and foot speed
The real question is whether he has the ability to carry substantially more weight. He has big, wide shoulders which would lead you to believe he could, however he lost a good deal of his agility and appeared slower when he got over 250 lbs
Should look to extend his range, add a consistent 12-15 foot jumpshot … Despite having above average ball handling ability, it’s questionable how much those skills can be utilized at the next level
His lack of tremendous explosiveness will keep him from being a top notch shot blocker …
Lottery teams will have to decide:
Greg Monroe versus: (PFs)
New Jersey: Yi Jianlian
*Minnesota: Al Jefferson
Golden St.: Anthony Randolph
Philadelphia: Elton Brand
Washington: Antawn Jamison
LA Clippers: Blake Griffin
New Orleans: David West
Memphis: Zach Randolph
Indiana: Troy Murphy
Detroit: Austin Daye/Charlie Villanueva
Sacramento: Jason Thompson
Milwaukee: Hakim Warrick (FA)
*Utah: Carlos Boozer (FA)
Chicago: Tyrus Thomas (RFA)
*Miami: Michael Beasley
Lottery teams will have to decide:
Wesley Johnson versus: (SGs)
Eric Gordon- LAC
Corey Brewer/Wayne Ellington-MIN
Dahntay Jones/Brandon Rush-IND
Mo Peterson/Marcus Thornton-NOH
the point is
I think Wesley Johnson
could start for more teams than Monroe
but some teams are looking to get younger, and looking to make trades, so u never know
however I have serious doubts about what Monroe can do on defense and how his skills transfer on offense w/o that jumper
Red Auerbach you do know thats just an opinion just like mines or youres right?..its not a actually nba scout or personel giving a scouting report of him..just a regular guy. and starting for more teams dont mean much. alot of rookies dont even start when they come into the nba. im sure many guys could have started over thabeet. the point of the draft piks is to have someone for the future and hopefully they can help out right away as well. and if you have someone at that position already and you really like the kid then you just bring him off the bench. every rookie isnt expected to stat when they get drafted
if that report said he is an elite run and jump athlete
with above average quickness and a deadly mid range pull up game
then I never would have posted it,
that is an accurate analysis, if u disagree then tell me what Monroe's weaknesses are
the scouting report is accurate.
like i said thats a guys opinion and you agree with him. thats all it is
"and starting for more teams dont mean much. alot of rookies dont even start when they come into the nba. im sure many guys could have started over thabeet. the point of the draft piks is to have someone for the future and hopefully they can help out right away as well. and if you have someone at that position already and you really like the kid then you just bring him off the bench."
if u cant start for a lottery team what does that say about you?
Jermaine O'Neal and Zach Randolph had Arvydas Sabonis, Rasheed Wallace and Clifford Robinson.
who does Greg Monroe have in front of him?
his upside may be Sam Perkins/Zach Randolph but u can say that about a lot of guys in this draft
plus he hasnt found an ideal playing weight!
he cant even hold his ground like Randolph
is defense is terrible
Monroe could gain more weight then aldridge but when he did try to add weight back in high school it affected his mobility and quickness so he has to do it slowly.
Also to quincey, when Bledsoe has the ball he usually only gets it to swing it over so they can feed the post and because both demarcus cousins and PP back their people down they don't generate assists in post up situations.
Georgetown has been runing the offence through Monroe since he has been their. Monroe is a good passer but when good passing big men are in college they put up good assist numbers. Remember Josh McRoberts's last year at duke, he had crazy assist numbers because college defences don't know how to play a team that goes inside out.
actually these guys are professional scouts, I think they make a living providing these scouting reports
The Georgetown Hoyas hadn’t truly been tested up until their Wednesday night meeting with the Butler Bulldogs in Madison Square Garden in the opening game of the Jimmy V Men’s Basketball Classic. However, even from the small sample of games he’s had to work with, sophomore Greg Monroe has managed to show some incremental improvements in his game and had arguably the best outing of his young career in a victory of the Bulldogs. After opting to return to school despite being projected as a lottery pick following an up and down campaign last year, Monroe has made strides in some areas while having to make a number of adjustments as the successor to DaJuan Summers as Georgetown’s featured scorer.
Often maligned for his lack of aggressiveness, below-average athleticism, and soft demeanor as a freshman, the biggest change in Greg Monroe’s game from this season to last season has come on the defensive glass. While his numbers clearly suggest that he’s done a better job rebounding the ball, (his defensive rebounding average is up to 7.0 per-game from just 4.5 per-game last season) John Thompson III’s influence is apparent in his approach on the glass. Unlike last season where Monroe was purely a reactive rebounder, he now frequently makes an effort to find a man, box him out, and then secure the ball.
Not a good athlete by NBA standards, Monroe still has a lot of room for improvement, needing to do a better job pursuing the ball at its highest point and be consistent with his effort level as the level of competition increases, but he’s already seeing clear results from the slight changes he’s already made, as evidenced by his 15 rebound performance against Butler. Monroe isn’t the type of player that will consistently rebound outside of his area, lacking the quickness, toughness and explosive leaping ability that prolific NBA rebounders possess, but the extremely early results so far this season indicate that there is reason for optimism here.
In addition to his improvements on the glass, Monroe has looked more assertive on the block too, establishing better position and showing off a nice drop step that allowed him to get to the other side of the rim on multiple occasions during his 24 point effort against Butler.
Lacking the quickness or explosiveness that would allow him to dominate games around the basket on the collegiate level, Monroe has had his share of issues from the inside this season. Though he certainly shows flashes of potential, often in the form of swooping hooks around the basket where he uses his length to his advantage, Monroe has struggled with turnovers in the early going, losing his balance when he doesn’t beat his man with his initial move leading to travels and having an extremely hard time working through the double-teams that he’s seen on a regular basis this season. Monroe has a very difficult time elevating off two feet in order to get a good shot off, something that will likely become far more of an issue at the next level.
Watching the way he is scoring inside the paint, it’s hard not to question whether he’d be able to continue to do so against the far superior type of athletes he’d face in the NBA, but it’s good to see a guy who is often been maligned for his lack of toughness at least try and use his height advantage for the betterment of his team.
I like Monroe alot. Too many times people get enamoured with "potential" and overanalyze players who just don't deserve to be overanalyzed. Guys like Davis, Favors, and Montejunas who everyone says is oozing with potential, but Monroe isn't. I don't get it. He's averaging like 15 and 10 in a system that isn't very offensively friendly. A system that Favors and Davis would both be terrible in. Yet in a different system with more freedoms, I dare say Monroe could be a 18 to 20 ppg guy. He's got great skills and scores in alot of different ways. He scores in the low post, he scores on offensive rebounds, and he excells at the high post where he can knock down mid range jumpers and can create for himself and others. Yes he does need to be more assertive sometimes but theres definitly a difference between this year and last for him. I think people forget that he is just a SOPHMORE in college. He's like 20 years old. And he's already showing the skills far beyond that of alot of the other big men with more "potential". Monroe's gonna be a really solid player in the NBA. He's never going to be a number 1 option for a team, but neither are Davis or Favors. Monroe is a super skilled big man who will be a really solid 4 man for somebody. I think a career 15 to 17 points per game and 7 to 10 rebounds is realistic for him.
The stat comparing Monroe and Bledsoe is a solid one. The argument that it isn't fair to compare them is pretty weak. If Bledsoe is only getting the ball in position to swing it or enter it to the big men, then why is his stock so high and why does everyone think he has such great potential? Bledsoe has the ball plenty, just because John Wall racks up assists doesn't mean Bledsoe can't either. With all the scoring options at Kentucky and their offensive style, Bledsoe should be able to get 4 to 6 a game with relative ease. Thats why he needs another year at Kentucky, not jsut to be the lead dog, but to season up a bit and learn to control his game. He's got alot of talent, but he's out of control too much right now. And unlike Wall he isn't as physically freakish to get away with it.
1 question how will he score?
if he isnt surrounded by scorers then he will struggle to put his passing skills to use in the fast break
and if he comes off the bench it is likely he will struggle if
he is facilitating the 2nd unit of scorers it could get ugly
if he isnt surrounded by scorers
how many players can score alot of points and facilitate an offense with no scorers around them? Not many, especially rookies. Everybody would struggle without any other scorers on the court. But who would ever do that? Nobody will put him out on the floor without any other scorers.
Totally agree with Quincy. Bledsoe is a talented player who's gonna make alot of money in the NBA. But he needs more seasoning. He's a bit overrated right now.
how about you watch a game beofr making up stuff oke. his defense is not poor and if you look over to the left his stregnth is defense awareness. ive talked to a former scout who says nba teams are high on him so you can post all the stuff up you want cuz that means what when he gets drafted in the lotto?..exactly it means nadda. and i win...monroe isnt josh mroberts. ones a future lotto guy the other is a bench warmer. one has more skill. and damn is bledsoe the best ever?..no matter what i say about him theres a come back..so i guess he has no weaknesses huh? if his assists numbers are low theres an excuse. doesnt score much theres an excuse he gets more turnovers then assist then theres an ecuse.. starting to sound liek real homers when you act like the guy has no weaknesses
he scores because hes skilled genius....man for someone who played basketball youre lak of basketball knowledge is really low. according to you this guy shouldnt even be drafted huh. i should expect as much from a guy who thinks hes better then wall and rondo and other nba players
I have watched him play, u know what happens when u assume right...
1) he's playing center in college (4 other players that help score)
2) he scores 15 ppg
3) he came back 4 a second year of college where the field of NBA caliber players is weaker
4) he gets 34 min and a whole bunch of touches
MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T
33.9 14.8 10.2 3.1 2.9 1.04
not a great assist to turnover ratio
and I dont think he'll get that many touches to be effective
and I dont think he'll be able to match up with the top notch PF/centers in the league
I think hes a product of a system
and I dont see that much upside in him oh well
Wesley Johnson> Greg Monroe in MY OPINION
and stop talking about me, u seem jealous
It is hard to compare Wes Johnson to Greg Monroe. One plays 2-3 while the other plays 4-5. While Wes Johnson isn't a good passer he is good at driving and is a good shooter. Monroe is a very good passer but lacks a refined low post game.
I guess i will make up a situation for the sake of this argument, If i had Chris Paul, Lebron James, and Dwight Howard and i had the second overall pick i would take Johnson over Monroe. However, if the only information i had was that i had Dwight i would take Monroe because his weaknesses are countered by Dwight's strength's and vis versa.
a players value is a relative thing which makes it very hard to compare players of different positions like these two.
but Monroe isnt going to play with a Dwight Howard
the center is a dying breed and the NBA needs someone to compete with the true centers
like Bynum, Dwight Howard and Greg Oden's on the boards
Monroe has "mismatch" potential
but like Motiejunas he needs a true center to cover 4 his weaknesses
best fit Milwaukee they just lost Villanueva in free agency
he is like a david west who can pass
he is like iggy but he can rebound and defend better
i like the phrase that someone said there a couple weeks ago..when Monroe wants he is the best big men in college basketball.
i watched his game yesterday because it was early game and still evening in Europe, and i'm happy to see him, because yesterday he really wanted to be that good.
lacks the redefined low post game?..if you are talking about the power game then i agree but as far as skill and foot work youre wrong. thats what people like best about him is his skills down low. very very good foot work and post moves. and he doesnt need to play next to a dwight howard to do well.
i cant remeber who i was argueing with during the summer( i will find out though) who said he wasnt a good rebounder because he didnt average a bunh of rebounds as a fresman even though i showed him proof that he averaged the same as most of the good gtown big men as a freshman. i said watch him as a soph and i bet his rebounding numbers will increse like other gtown big men but he thought i was crazy
People need to quit reading dated reports on guys and thinking it is undebatable truth. I don't really care if a guy went on cruise control in a high school summer league. It has no bearing on his future. To say he doesn't play hard is just inaccurate if they've been watching Georgetown play. He doesn't force the issue when he isn't the best option. If Austin Freeman or Chris Wright are going off, he doesn't sulk and force the issue when he gets the ball like so many young big men do. THIS IS A GOOD TRAIT. No post moves? I see a baby hook with the left, a really well developed spin move, and he even hit a righty hook against Villanova. Is his shot perfect? No, but for a 19-year old I like where it is at. Teams respect it enough to where they don't sag 5-feet off of him like many young big men. Also, where is this garbage that Monroe is a bad defensive player coming from? It just isn't true if you watch the games this year. You can't make the argument that the Hoyas are getting hammered on the glass. You can't make the argument opposing big men are going off for big games.
^^^^^ exactly. man i wish people would watch the games instead of just reading what other peoples reports say. matter of fact watch the games first then read and see if the person knows what they are talking about. the dont play hard thing sticks to every player who has a calm demenor. the same was said about duncan, odom, mcgrady and many other players who are rah rah guys. its not that they arent playing hard its just there game is more calm or smooth and calculated. and stop letting youre personal feelings about a guy get in the way of a guys talented.
If power game is low post then yes. He has good footwork but not enought beef to use it in the nba. And correct he doesn't need Dwight to be good, i was just making situations where i would take either player. Monroe would be good paired with Big low post guys maybe like Diop or someone like that. If he was with a another high post guy it would be like Barnarnie (sp) with bosh his first few years.
for the david west comparison, he can shoot ok but not as good as West. He is a top 5 mid range shooter in the nba for any position.
of course hes not as good as they are now. lol..hes gonna get better. hes not a finished product and at 6'11 245 with good foot work i think he has enough beef to do his moves. good post moves are good post moves.. he wikll get to the nba more adavnced then all the other big men in the post and only get better as his career goes on. can be david west in the future just like people say wall can be as good as rose but not right now.