Prediction: Stanley Robinson AND Willie Warren Will Crack The Top 15
Most mocks are SERIOUSLY underrating Stanley Robinson and to a much lesser extent Warren. In Warren's case, I think the bad rap from the press combined with his team's disappointing season may be hurting his stock a little TOO much. He's not a franchise top 10 talent, but the idea of him going lower than maybe 16 is silly. This guy has too much talent for that. He may drop that far in reality, but it would be a huge mistake by a GM(s). If you can honestly with a straight face name 15 prospects that you will bet money will produce more, be my guess. As for Robinson, he has been the main reason UCONN is a lock for the tourney right now despite their best big man being a freshman and their guards being somewhat inconsistent. Length? Check. Athleticism? Check. Hustle? Check. Jumper? Well, it's actually better than you think, and has improved over his career, which obviously suggests a strong work ethic. Look at his game by game stats this season and tell me my opinion of him is too high.
NBA is a copycat league...at 6'8 220
not 2 many ELITE SFs 2 compare him 2
Rudy Gay was 220 just a year ago, I guess he could potentially become a Rudy Gay type idk tho
I dont know how he scores in the halfcourt
what is your comparisons?
If you put stanley robinson next to someone who draws everyone else's attention he could be a terror on back door cuts and offensive rebounds. He can't shoot very well and can't ball handle much but he can be an effective defender with his length and speed. Would rather take damion james but he would be a good pick.
As for willie warran i'm not sure, he can score but can he do it while staying in the team concept? Good guy to bring off the bench.
I AGREE..FINALLY SOMEONE THAT KNOWS BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STANLEY ROBINSON IS FOR REAL
As of right now I see Warren (if he enters the draft) & Robinson as mid to late 1st round picks.
GreenLantern- I could easily name 15 prospects I would pick over Willie Warren.
heres the thing oke. there are actually alot of sf in the nba that are like stanley. hes good talented and has bounce. hes actually alot like rodney carney except his jumper is worst and he is very inconsistant whih i think is the biggest thing with him and why hes not thought of to go high. hes not on rudy gasy level ( when rudy was in college) and hes been in college longer. his skill level isnt high like that although he is skilled. hes a great athlete which is why he does most of the things he does. when he plays teams that go half court or stop his fast break options as well as box him out and not leave him open then he disappears. he has trouble reating his own shots alot. think on a lower level of josh smith when he came into the nba. except shorter.
alot of people on here may liek other guys better then warren but all those other guys wont get picked over warren. you can either watch him and see how good he is or look at his stats and see how he puts up better numbers then the other guys or see how hes only a soph and will be getting better or the potential he has to become a pg take youre pick. like i said in another post when i talked to joe harrington( brothers former coach and a former nba scout/assistant coach) nba teams like him because of how they think his ability can translate to the nba. he knows how to score the ball against whatever type of defense you through at him and he can handle and is pretty athletic
FEB. 10 UCONN VS. SYRACUSE.....WES JOHNSON VS STANLEY ROBINSON!!!!!!!!!!
he does shoot alot..lol..but its not true that alot of players can score if they take a bunch of shots. he happens to get open and can create his own shot. and im not sure if you have watched them play but he has to take shots on that team. you wouldnt think losing just 2 starters ould make a team look like night and day but man they are a awhole different team with out the griffins
Willie Warren has All-Star ability offensively...Don't let this team's success (or lack thereof) fool you, he can be a 1st option scorer off someones bench ala Ben Gordon. The man is the 2nd best in this draft at creating his own shots after Wall of course.
Stanley Robinson is playing great and is starting to grow on me this year. He was just an athlete to me last season, but he's developed a better offensive game this year. He's shooting better, which is very promising for his NBA future. If I had to compare him to anyone, it would be a taller Mikael Pietrus.
Iggy, offr the trade if you wanna...or do u want me to do it? Your still good for the trade right?
another thing about warren is when he sets his mind to it he is a great defender because of his physical abilities. hes quik, athletic, and strong. joe told me a couple of teams see chauncy billups in him later down the road in his career
Stanley Robinson is not the kind of player I would expect to be a starting 3 in the NBA. By the time Rudy Gay was Robinson's age, he was going for 20-6 for the Grizzlies. The shot is not going to be respected by defenses. He isn't great off the dribble. Much of his scoring comes from when he doesn't have the ball (slipping, following up misses, and running out in transition). Nothing is wrong with that, but who wants a starting small forward who is at his best when he doesn't have the ball? I think he can be a Jamario Moon-type off the bench. Maybe if he isn't in a great fit like Renaldo Balkman or DeMarre Carroll. If he is lucky, maybe some team lets him get more minutes at the 4 like Hakim Warrick and try to make do being lean up front.
Could he go top 15? Sure, but I wouldn't do it.
^^^ wow... jamario moon?..i never thought of that but you maybe right on point with that one
Yea your on to something with that Jamario Moon comparison, that is spot on...
Stanley is coachable, extreme athlete, great on ball defender (zero fouls against Texas) and is capable of running sets UCONN has just struggled to get into them. He will score 8-10 points a game around the hoop even in the NBA. He has a surprisingly good jump shot as well.
he has alot of work to do before being able to get those numbers in the nba. i see jamario moon, rodney carney in him. nba is full of athleti small fowards
Jamario is a good comparison. With that said, would you take Jamario Moon in the top 15? I would not.
Still waiting on that 15 players you said will produce more....
Warren is top10 talent but he struggles really..just don't understand why he is so inconsistent
plus iggy.. how Bradley is the mix in discussion of making own shot
Struggles... if you watch him closely ... he's trying too do to much on the offensive end...he's playing like a young a.i... he's going one on one all da time... everytime he has a little bit of space he trys to go... and i wish people would stop with the gordan comparison.... he is not ben gordon.. gordon shot was pure ...idk he is talented though.. he kinda reminds a little bit of randy foye....
Robinson is easily the most talented player on UConn's squad. EASILY. However what really worries me about him is his lack of aggressiveness. For a guy with his physical presence he spends way too much time floating around the perimeter, and even worse, he has his hands down. He never demands the ball, despite the fact that he can get to the basket at will from 15 feet and in. He has a way underutilized back to the basket game and seems adverse to taking the ball up the court. He'll knock down the open shot, but more often then not, he'll be uncontested from deep. This guy has a Tracy McGrady in his prime kind of body. Awesome body control, excellent finisher, strong on the boards. But his deficiency shooting, passing and handling (especially handling) are serious problems at the NBA level. He definitely has a PF's game. He's got high bust potential relative to his skills, and doesnt look to have niche other than fast break finisher and weak side defender. Stanley can have a great finish to his season, but I cant see anyone taking him before some of the big time post prospects, like Favors, Monroe, Motiejunas, Davis and Cousins. He'll have a Hakim Warrick type impact at the NBA level, some big time dunks, serviceable starter at 2 positions for defensive purposes, but whether he'll develop into a go to player, I have my doubts.
GreenLantern- I would take Sherron Collins, Jerome Jordan, Ellias Haris, Scotty Hopson, Eric Bledsoe, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall, Damion James, Hassas Whiteside, Greg Monroe, Avery Bradley, Larry Sanders, Ed Davis, Derrick Favors, Aminu, Xavier Henry, Patterson, Evan Turner, Wes Johnson, Terrico White, Jeff Taylor, Arnett Moultire over Willie Warren as of right now... That is just my personal opinion. I like the skills & upside of some other players better.
Besides hype, what is the difference between Willie Warren & players like Jerome Dyson, AJ Slaughter, E'Twaun Moore? ...
Like I said earlier if a GM/scout feels that Warrren can easily be a PG in the NBA than I think his stock will rise significantly. Do you really want to take a scoring 6-4" SG who in reality isn't a great shooter in the lottery? ...I don't For all we know he could go top 5.
youd take bledsoe over warren? wow. and actually the nba scouts that coach harrington has talked to are high on him at pg or shooting guard. although they are higher on him at the pg. but i understand this is just youre opnion about him and you feel there are other players better then him
Avery Bradley isn't all that good at creating for himself compared to guys like Warren, Wall, Evan Turner. He's nothing all that special offensively right now IMO, he needs another season at Texas. He's a solid player though.
the thing about bledose to some of ya'll bledsoe fans. ya'll say wall handles the ball 90 percent of the time so ya'll are basing his ability to be a nba point guard on him being a pg in hs because anytime hes played point for extended minutes he gets alot of turnovers. an although he is playing sg he still touches the ball alot and turns the ball over more then a guy at his positin and his back ground as a pg should. the reason some of ya'll are so high on him is because of games where he scores alot. hes listed at 6'1 so probably 6'0-5'11. and some of ya'l say he doesnt do alot because of who his teammates are which could be true but if you acknowledge that then you have to acknowledge that its possible he gets the shots and open looks that he does beause of the talent he has around him and it could be just as likely he will find it harder to score once teams dont have to worry about containing patterson,wall,cousins. my thing is i like the guy and think he can be a lotto pick next year, but its crazy how some fans dont acknowledge his weaknesses, yet praise all his strengths liek the guy is perfect
bradley also could use another year i agree. hes pretty good at creating his own shot which most of his points come from him creating it but not as well as warren. but he could use another year like favors, bledsoe and most of the other freshmen
i think some of ya'll overrate warren struggeling as well. hes scoring more, getting more boards, more assists( although more turnovers as well). he is shooting 44 instead of last years 47 but that comes with having to carry more of the load and defenses being able to concentrate on just you. and his three has dropped from 37 to 29 for the same reason. his team is playing much worst then last year but he actually isnt
Thanks for your list gatorheels. I respect yours and everyone's opinion just to be clear. That's a good top 15 actually, but Scotty Hopson and Jerome Jordan are surely not better than Warren in my opinion.
Out of your list Gatorheels, I would exclude: Sherron Collins, Scotty Hopson, Avery Bradley, Jeff Taylor, Arnett Moultrie, and Elias Harris from that list. I don't see any of them being better than Warren in the NBA after this season.
Hopson is going to be much less effective than Warren, even offensively. He can't do anything better than Warren right now. He's just taller. He's not even much of a factor in this years draft class. He's a 2011 kinda guy..
Collins is going to be a scorer off the bench in the NBA, but I don't see him being as effective scoring as Warren will be.
Bradley won't be an offensive threat right now at the NBA level, he's not as effective offensively off the dribble as Warren. He does defend better though, but that's about where it ends. He'd be better in 2011.
Jeff Taylor is just a good athlete/slasher, but Willie Warren is just as good slashing and he is a much better shooter. He probably won't even declare until he exhausts eligibility.
Arnett Moultrie is a 2011 prospect..He's not all that polished, and he needs more weight.
Elias Harris is the ultimate tweener, even worse than Warren is. He's probably a 2011 prospect as well.
Oh and the difference between him and E'Twaun Moore and those guys is that Warren is much more athletic and is better at creating for himself. He projects much better than those guys as an NBA player.
I agree Iggy. Saying the players you singled out as better pro players than Willie Warren is stretching it big time. A few of those might surprise, but not ALL or half of them. People have forgotten just how good the team AROUND Blake Griffin was at Oklahoma. Austin Johnson and Taylor Griffin were way way way better than any role player they have now. Warren will be punished a little for having an average team and not being Tim Duncan as far as leadership and character. It's ridiculous and if he slips past 11 to say 20 about at least 5 of those teams will regret it down the line.
I'm not saying all those guys are "better" than Warren now in college. What I am saying is if I am a GM & I am making the picks than I would take all those guys over Warren. I think all of them will be better than Warren in the NBA eventually. I don't care how productive they are as rookies. I care about what type of career they will have & what type of player they can become.
You really think Warren is much more athletic than Moore, Slaughter, & Dyson? Because I don't.
Also what good is creating your own shot when you don't shoot that well to begin with & you are missing the majority of those shots? If Warren was a real good shooter & took quality shots than I think it would matter but that isn't the case to me.
Personally I just don't think a lot of people have watched Taylor, Harris, Moultire, Jordan etc.. more than a couple times IF ANY.
I think he's more athletic than Slaughter and Moore definitely, but Dyson may be more athletic or could give him a run for his money. But Dyson isn't better creating for himself, which i a very key attribute for a SG in the NBA. Therefore he's looked upon in a lesser light than Warren.
And the reason Warren doesn't make the majority of his shots is because he's the only threat on OU to create shots, and he even with that he shoots 43 from the field, which is about average for a SG. He on ly needs to work on his 3-point shooting to be more effective. But he even shows plenty of potential there..Look at his shooting numbers last season.
Iggy- Hopson is a better shooter & athlete than Warren. Collins is a better PG than Warren. Collins might not be able to score as easy as Warren but he has a high IQ & can lead a team while knocking down open 3 pointers. Jeff Taylor is an incredible athlete (I've seen him play in person tons). Talk about some upside. Have you seen how well Moultrie moves for a 6-11" player. He is agile plus he can shoot 3's. He doesn't shoot a high% yet but I think that will change. His form on his jumper is good looking. Harris is going to be able to creat mismatches in the pros in my opinion. He will be able to play SF/PF. For a PF his stellar perimter skills will cause opposing teams fits. Plus if he gains a little weight he won't be that big of a defensive liability when guarding taller PFs (he has long arms & is a very nice athlete).
I'm tired of hearing excuses for Warren not shooting well. lol
When you really think about it you can come up with certain excuses for any player/prospect. The fact is he just isn't shooting well.
Sure they lost the Griffin brothers but they got another guard who helps Warren get shots (Mason-Griffin) & a low post presence (that can score) in Tiny Gallon.
In reality what PG/SG prospect does Warren actually shoot better than? I don't know I'll have to look that up. I would guess the majority of PG/SG prospects shoot better than Warren (even including his #s from last season).
I don't know, I just am very high on Warren because every time I see him play he makes very nice plays and shows the ability to be a great scorer in the NBA. I usually prefer players that have a definite position, but Warren is a beast at making shots. He could be worse than those guys, but I don't really see it. Maybe I need to watch those guys play more though...
Actually it looks like a BUNCH of the PG/SG prospects in the 2010 draft aren't good shooters especially from 3 point range.
Hope these NBA teams don't need quality 3 point shooters haha because there aren't many of them.
stanley robinson at best is gerald wallace but he would have to fully commit to that kind of role. but a more realistic comparison would be jamario moon, or maybe even corey brewer.
willie warren is going to be a good player, never great. he could start on an nba team but would have to become a good spot up shooter because he most likely wont be the first option. Or he could be a grwat sixth man ala Ben Gordon or Jason Terry.