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Cole Aldrich vs. Ekpe Udoh

I'm pretty excited for the KU/ Baylor game tonight, in part to see the matchup of, in my opinion, the best two centers in the Big 12 (sorry Dexter Pittman). Udoh has been averaging 14 pts 11rbs and a staggering 4.4 blocks per game. With this kind of defensive presence Baylor won't really need to double down on Aldrich as much as other teams have been doing this season and hopefully the two will go at each other down on the block. Both players are NBA quality defenders, but I think it is a good testing point for each player to play against another NBA caliber defender to asses their NBA readiness on the offensive end.

Thoughts on the matchup, game, or either player?


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Quincy Acy is an underrated

Quincy Acy is an underrated player for Baylor.  He has some potential.  I think he could give the Morris brothers problems.  

Baylor has a big frontcourt with Johnson, Lomers, & Udoh...all 6-10 or taller. Aldrich will see a lot of length.

Still, I think Kansas wins this game fairly easy.  They are just too deep.  Sherron Collins should control the game.  

As for the Aldrich vs. Udoh matchup... I think Aldrich wins that pretty easy.  I think this game will expose Udoh a little bit & hurt his stock some.

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"I think this game will

"I think this game will expose Udoh a little bit & hurt his stock some."

Can't wait to see it, I love seeing overrated prospects getting put in their place, especially in a year where my T-Puppies have potentially 3 1st Round Picks. They need more talent than anybody and getting opportunities to weed the good from the bad is always a pleasant thing.

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so what happens if you find

so what happens if you find out that this guy isnt overrated( which nba scouts dont think he is)?

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I could be wrong.  Should
I could be wrong.  Should be an entertaining game.
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Epke Udoh has alot of

Epke Udoh has alot of Anthony Randolph like qualities to him. I could see him functioning as a perimeter like Randolph in the NBA for a decent amount of minutes. Very gifted offensively.

I think the x-factor is LaceDarius Dunn. That man can shoot a basketball. His shot may look weird, but he can get very hot very quick, especially if he makes his 1st shot...

Quincy Acy is explosive and long, I think that him against the Morris twins is a great matchup too, it's hard to predict who comes out the better performance between those 3.

I think Aldrich plays fine against Udoh, but I also think Udoh play well against Aldrich..

Tweety Carter is also a good scorer, but I think Collins should outduel him.

I think this game will be great, but I see Kansas winning by about 7

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All Kansas has to do is

All Kansas has to do is guard the perimeter tight.  If Dunn & Carter don't hit a lot of 3's then Baylor has no chance. 

I think Kansas wins by about 17.

I just haven't seen that great of offensive ability from Udoh yet.  I've seen a very good defender but not a great scorer. He has only scored over 20 points twice all season & that was against Hartford & Texas Arlington.  The level of competition Udoh has seen for the most part has been very weak.  He hasn't seen a frontcourt close to Kansas all season.  Tonight will be a huge test for Udoh.  I think he is a little overrated personally at least by some sites. I definitely don't see him as a lottery pick. I've seen Baylor play about 4 times this season & I always came away with the feeling that this guy is overhyped.  I saw him play a ton at Michigan.  He has improved significantly since his days with the Wolverines but still it isn't anything special.  

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I like his game and he has a

I like his game and he has a bunch of potential and some moves that you just don't see with many players that big in college...He also is a decent shooter. He could develop into a good NBA player down the road. I've watched Baylor play alot this season too..I never paid him any attention at Michigan though...Didn't even know he played for them until the announcer said it in one game I watched

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JoeWolf1, Why Would They Want To Double Team?

JoeWolf1, I must admit I haven't seen Kansas play this year so please keep that in mind when I ask my question. You said something that puzzled me. You wrote, "With this kind of defensive presence Baylor won't really need to double down on Aldrich as much as other teams have been doing this season".

Aldrich is only averaging 10 ppg. I was under the impression that Sherron Collins and Xavier Henry were the big scorers on Kansas and Aldrich's strengths were rebounding and shot blocking. If you were going to double team anyone, I would imagine it would be one or both of those other two guys.

So why are they doubling teaming Aldrich?

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Cole Aldrich has been doubled down quite a bit this season. He has a pretty decent offensive skill set from working hard with Danny Manning over his time at KU, and being bigger than most of his opponents at center so far this season he has been doubled quite a bit, because if he wasn't I think he'd be averaging about 18. I attribute his low point average more so on being doubled down on than him deferring to Collins or Henry. Self has been stressing getting the ball to Aldrich moreso lately but Collins' role on the offense is run the show, hit his open jumpers and if KU is in need of a big bucket take it. Henry has digressed into a perimeter shooter as of late, a trend I'd like to see him get out of, but he really doesn't create a lot of offense for himself. I think of Cole Aldrich who will be a guy who could average more in the NBA as far as points as he did in college, just because every team has a 7' footer and he won't draw double teams or be as much of a focal point in someone's offense as he is at KU. I've watched most of KU's games this season and that is just what I've picked up on.

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i find it hard to believe

i find it hard to believe that any of you have watched baylor consistantly this year.

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Rarely ever does a perimeter

Rarely ever does a perimeter player (which Collins and Henry are) get double teamed. They would have to be the only good offensive player on the team and they would have to be a very dominant scorer (it happened to Stephen Curry last season for example). Aldrich is one of the top bigs in the country. It would be extremely hard to defend him one-on-one down low, which is why he is constantly double teamed. He showed that last season.

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I usually watch Baylor

I usually watch Baylor atleast 8-10 time every year, mainly in conference play. I'll admit I've only seen them vs Xavier, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State this year, but that doesn't mean I can't make an assesment on Udoh and look forward to this matchup.

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i havent seen them but 2

i havent seen them but 2 times and i think the players are better then what some people who probably havent seen them at all are suggesting. ive tried finding there games online but have a hard time finding them and some games came on at the same time as a big game and they arent on tv alot unless u live out there r they play a team in youre state thats why i doubt if most people have actually watched them play

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"i find it hard to believe

"i find it hard to believe that any of you have watched baylor consistantly this year."

Quincey thanks for your outstanding input on this topic.  Just because you haven't watched them play doesn't mean nobody else has haha.  It isn't like Baylor is a small mid-major school that is never on TV.  Baylor has been televised quite a bit this season already.

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Yea, they do come on TV or

Yea, they do come on TV or are broadcasted..

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so everyone on here can

so everyone on here can honestly say they have watched baylor play more then 3 times this year?. ive been on here when they have played on tv and another game was on and some poeple in here have admitted that they watched the other game the whole game. i dont recall them being nationaly televised quite a bit this season but i could be wrong. ill go check that out now

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Baylor

Quincey, I've seen Baylor play about 4 or 5 times this season and I think they can win this gaMe. They have alot of talent and in my opinion the best perimiter shooteR in the big 12 with lacedarius dunn. There aren't a whole lot of teams with the length and athleticism of baylor and I think it will bother ku. As for what somebody said earlier about udoh not dropping 20 often, they don't need him to. Most of Baylors scoring will come from dunn and Carter. Anything more than 15 from udoh is a bonus. Quincey acy should get some points in transition or some garbage buckets. IMO if dunn gets hot, and that only takes one or 2 shots, Baylor will win

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LaceDarius Dunn is the

LaceDarius Dunn is the X-Factor....I'm telling you. I've seen him get 35 and 40 points before because he gets hot shooting jump shots. He's a beast if he makes his 1st shot....

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oh i believe they can win as

oh i believe they can win as well. im not willing to bet that they will win but i know they can win. in coference play any team can lose to another

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Wow seems like everybody

Wow seems like everybody thinks it is going to be a close game except me lol.  I know Baylor has some talent but there is no way they win this game @Kansas.  Kansas does not play around at home.  I really expect this game to be somewhat of a blowout.

jdoromal- That is true for the most part...about Baylor not needing Udoh to score 20 or more.  However, in a game like this on the road against an elite team they are going to need him to step up and score quite a bit.  

quincey- just to let you know Baylor has been on ESPN2 a couple times, ESPNU a couple times, FoxSports several times, Big12Network some. They have had 10 televised games this season that I know of. 

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Baylor has only played maybe

Baylor has only played maybe 2 NCAA tourney caliber teams all season. 

I'm telling you guys Baylor isn't nearly as good as you all think.  I know they are 14-2 but that isn't going to last long. I bet they end up with around 9 losses. 

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seems like i recall you

seems like i recall you saying another team wasnt gonna win a game. tenn and kansas if i reall. i think you might have said that was gonna be a blow out as well. i dont know who will win but i do know that baylor could win

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Quincey- I did think Kansas

Quincey- I did think Kansas would beat Tennessee.  However, I was the only one that thought it was going to be a close game. I had Kansas winning that game by 4.  Everybody else picked Kansas to win by double digits that game.

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i actually had them possibly

i actually had them possibly losing. more so because everyone was thinking a blow out. kansas has shown me the more i watch them that they arent as unbeatable as i one though. i saw that even before there first lost. they are talented enoug to blow baylor away but for some reason i just dont think thats gonna happen

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I haven't figured out Baylor

I haven't figured out Baylor yet, they blew out OU by 30, which I expected, but followed it up by a loss at Colorado. Then beat a pretty solid OSU team so I don't know which Baylor team will show up. I think it will be a close 1st half and KU will pull away in the 2nd and win by 12-20. I do think Baylor is an NCAA team this season, and they are well coached, have some talent and are an upset threat to anyone in the Big 12 this season

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thats big 12 play for ya.

thats big 12 play for ya. thats how it is in the acc as well

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Baylor is really hot and

Baylor is really hot and cold. They're one of the streakiest teams in the big 12. It should be interesting to see which team shows up today. if they play well they have a very good shot at winning. If they come out flat, which is equally possible, they could lose by 30. LaceDarius Dunn has to shoot well for them to play well.

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JNixon-Iggy9, interesting point, but despite Aldrich's imposing size, the few times that I saw him play last year he didn't impress me as a big time scoring threat. However, I was very impressed with his rebounding and shot blocking, and that's why I think he'll be successful in the NBA. But as I mentioned to JoeWolf1, I really haven't seen enough of him to have a valid opinion. Therefore I will defer to both you and JoeWolf1 on his offensive repertoire.

I also very much like the fact, that unlike BJ Mullens, Cole Aldrich returned not only for his sophomore season, but he came back again for his junior year. I believe that seasoning and learning process will provide him with a solid foundation for a successful NBA career.

When I read your comments about double teaming wing players, I immediately thought about Kobe, LeBron, Wade, and Melo, all of whom are regularly double teamed.

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He's not an extremely

He's not an extremely talented offensive player, but he can exploit a man one-on-one down low in college. He's too big and he can score with basic moves, so it always helps to have help D on him.

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so far good/close game like

so far good/close
game like i figured it would be

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Well I'll be the first to

Well I'll be the first to say I was wrong about this game.  I really expected somewhat of a blowout.  The crowd was pretty quiet tonight which is rare.  Kansas normally destroys teams at home.  Baylor showed a lot of poise & never got rattled.

I did predict Acy would have a solid game which he did.

Dunn had an awesome game.  He was hitting nothing but net from deep.  Nobody was stopping him tonight. 

Man if Sherron Collins was a couple inches taller he would be a lottery pick.  He is a top 5 player in college easy though. 

Udoh really didn't show me much.  He isn't a lottery pick, you can bank on that.  Remember I said it.  I doubt he is even a mid 1st rounder.  Possibly a late 1st round pick.  He should probably stay another year at Baylor though & try to play himself into a lock for a mid 1st round pick in 2011. 

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Udoh had:10 points 4

Udoh had:

10 points 4 rebounds 2 assists 1 block 4 turnovers 4 fouls

4-9 from the field.

Overall not a bad game but nothing really impressive.  

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Yea Sherron Collins makes

Yea Sherron Collins makes every basket that matters..LaceDarius Dunn is one of the best shooters in the college game, and he's shown it...That Anthony Jones kid is a nice talent..Udoh didn't play all that great, but he's got potential,he could be better of as a 2011 prospect, but but I like his game....That Marcus (?) Morris is a good player, he very nice as a prospect and he's much better than he was last season. More aggressive...

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If people went into this

If people went into this game blind, not one person would think Ekpe Udoh was considered to be a potential lottery pick and LaceDarius Dunn is barely on the radar. For all the talk about the energy he plays with, the shot blocking, the forces on the glass, how much of that was because he was longer and more athletic than the competition. Today, against a very good, long, athletic Kansas team, he looked extremely ordinary. I didn't see a great deal of separation in what he does and what Anthony Jones or Quincy Acy brought to the table. Oh, and the jumping forward two feet on the jump shot is not good for anyone.

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Ladarious Dunn is Curts

Ladarious Dunn is Curts Jerrells the next generation. He is a top notch scorer, but a 2nd round pick who could be a Marcus Thorton or Eddie House off the bench. I didn't get to see as much Aldrich vs Udoh as I would have liked to see, but Marcus Morris pretty much handled him(Udoh). Iggy, I agree with you about Marcus Morris, last year the guy was as raw as it gets for a 94 rated prospect. He has a super slow release telegraphed every shot and pass and could barely dunk in a game scenario, but him ( and Markeiff for that matter) have tranformed their physiques, improved their games and I think Marcus is a top 20 pick in 011 and Markeiff is ( only more post oriented in 2012).

Collins is the 2nd best point guard in this draft besides John Wall

Acy has NBA lottery project written all over him, 6'7'' swingman, freak athelticism, but its up to him to put it all together

Aldrich is a legit prospect, but he needs to command the ball in the paint, he is better on offense than people think and he needs to prove it

Henry hit a couple mid range jumpers and fought hard for the ball which was encouraging

With Perry Jones next year Baylor will be a top 15 team

I didn't mean to pull a D Hamp, but those were just some thoughts on the game and whatnot

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