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UNC VS GT

THIS IS A PRETTY NICE MATCH UP ALL AROUND ESPECIALLY DOWN LOW thompson vs gani...favors vs davis. this will be the best front court gt will face this year (not including tournament if they facve kentucky) with nba talent in thompson and lotto talent in davis. zeller wont be playing this game because of injury


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Why are people so low on

Why are people so low on Larry Drew?

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probably because hes not

probably because hes not doing what they expect a unc starting pg to do. but the thing is hes puttin gup 8pts 6ast and shooting 47percent from 3 and 50 from2. for a soph those are pretty solid/good numbers

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Larry Drew is starting to

Larry Drew is starting to remind me alot of Quentin Thomas =\

Terrible decision makers

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hes alot better then him and

hes alot better then him and a 2 to 1 ast to turnover ratio isnt what id call a terrible decision maker. there are alot worst out there

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man carolina is looking

man carolina is looking worst as the season goes along. i really thought they would start to look better

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I agree, but I think that

I agree, but I think that A/T is due to the pace UNC is playing at. How many times have you seen Larry Drew pass it too high or too wide to the left/right to someone and it goes out of bounds this season?

He even forces the ball into places he shouldn't sometimes.

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im not saying hes a great pg

im not saying hes a great pg because hes not but hes also not that bad. im not sure what the other unc pg have done in the pass with this same system as a soph but im sure it isnt awhole lot better then he has. and his turnovers have to accoutn for the pace as well if the ast do so that means that would be going down at a different pace as well so it evean so it either way

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Iman Shumpert is doing his

Iman Shumpert is doing his thing.. favors bad defense got him in foul trouble once again. gani is killing on the boards. no one is really looking great for unc

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hmm

I feel bad for any team who picks Favors in the top 5!!!

That being said, the way he's played this year, I think he's coming back for his SOPH year, he's clearly not anywhere near NBA ready.

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Man Iman Shumpert can flat

Man Iman Shumpert can flat out ball dude is an legit prospect he can play both guard positions he is an nba prospect and dude is a first rounder this year if he declare and he pretty athletic

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favors will probably still

favors will probably still go. that his play usually doesnt stop players from skipping over the lotto. especially one who said he would probably have went straight pro if it wasnt for the rule

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Favors

Favors would be one of the worst players in the NBA this year, if there was no college rule and he went pro. He's so far away, it's scary.

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for people who argued with

for people who argued with me about henson starting over will graves by the time conference play started, ya'll have been pretty quiet this year. ive been pretty much right about my predictions with the college players

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as you can see hot you cant

as you can see hot you cant talk bad about favors with some of thee people around. some think he can do no wrong. hence youre negitive point

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favors acc stats 8.6pts

favors acc stats

8.6pts 7.6reb

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well

as a wolves fan, i'm glad people love Favors, I hope scouts do too lol.

I'd love for a Turner, or Johnson slip to us, because some team took Favors over them....

This kid is 4-5 years away from doing anything, he is the definition of raw. If Favors fan boys can't see that, they are blind.

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"favors bad defense got him in foul trouble once again"

I disagree. Favors got one foul on a bad desicion in the backcourt (effort foul). Another on a block attempt, and the last on a rebound. Did you watch the game?

Favors would be one of the worst players in the NBA this year

How so? Around better NBA talent, I think Favors would be much better. Since he cannot create his own shot, a good point guard would do wonders for his game. His rebounding and defense would make an impact in the NBA.

as you can see hot you cant talk bad about favors with some of thee people around. some think he can do no wrong. hence youre negitive point

This is pretty ignorant. His negative point was the result of a claim that was backed up with no support, intelligence or facts.

favors acc stats

8.6pts 7.6reb

Yes. We know his stats. Because it's all you ever talk about.

Maybe people are defending Favors because he does have talent. Quincy, you are writing him off too early and I think he is going to make you eat your crow.

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I am eating my words Quincey

I am eating my words Quincey about Henson. I don't understand why he isn't dominant. He has all the talent in the world and the physical tools to be a monster. It must just be a confidence thing. That dunk he had was so freaky it looked unnatural. He really just needs to realize how good he can be and come back a better player next year.

Ginyard got lit up by Shumpert. McDonald and Strickland need more minute as they are the only ones on UNC that can create their own shot. Strickland was going to the free throw line a lot and yet only played 10 minutes. He could have scored a lot at the line seeing as UNC got into the one and one early. Drew needs to work on his post entry passes. He is a solid PG when he playes within himself he absoulutely destroyed Kalin Lucas earlier this year but lately has been trying to do too much when he is in.

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Remember when I said Dexter

Remember when I said Dexter Strickland was a better scorer than Drew and I got ate for it? Gatorhels and Quincey. Ha. I didn't even think that was an argument either....Like I said, he'd be getting as much PT as Drew come conference play, even though he didn't this game.

Larry Drew is NOT a starter. I also said that. At least not on this team. He's a change of pace player, he's shifty and a decent spot up shooter, but he's an erratic half-court set player when it comes to passing and he's a poor finisher at the rim.

I also said Georgia Tech is a better team with Shumpert in the lineup. He's their only perimeter player who can really put pressure on the D creating for himself. He looked great slashing to the rim yesterday, and showed a good looking shot as well. I like him in 2011 as a lotto pick.

Favors was kinda ineffective and he's playing timid right now. He's got to get more polish. Lawal was very good, rebounded well, blocked and altered shots, and he's a great finisher at the rim. I think he can be a Brandon Bass type of player.

Will Graves wasn't the weak link in the lineup as Quincey said earlier, at least not this game. He was, in fact the "strong" link. He was in the one shooting the ball, and he's a good on ball defender.

John Henson also needs polish, and of course strength.

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JNixon-Iggy9... don't call

JNixon-Iggy9... don't call me out without being able to back up your statements.  Larry Drew has one bad shooting game & all of a sudden you think that he can't score.  Cmon man....look at the "whole season".  It speaks for itself:

 As you can see Larry Drew not only plays more minutes, he scores more, rebounds more, way more assists, better assist/turnover ratio, more steals, better FG%, better free-throw %, way better 3 pt. %.  So why exactly should Strickland be starting at PG & playing more minutes than Drew??  I like Strickland but I don't think he is ready to lead a team.

Larry Drew II 18 26.5 8.4 2.8 6.4 3.2 2/1 1.1 0.0 2.2 .473 .721 .457 1.37
Dexter Strickland 17 16.4 5.9 1.5 2.4 1.8 1.3/1 0.9 0.1 1.8 .462 .632 .294 1.29

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Will Graves is still the
Will Graves is still the weak link on that team in my eyes.  He got hot this game which is good to see.  Still all he does is shoot 3's really.  He is a descent role player but if Carolina had a better wing player they would be a much better team.  I mean Graves shoots the worst FG% on the entire team which is pretty bad considering he is a Junior & that UNC is loaded with Freshman who are playing more efficiently than he is.
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That one game doesn't make

That one game doesn't make me think he isn't a good scorer. Watching him play games make me say that. He averages 10 more minutes a game, so naturally he's going to score more. I already knew hje had better stats because he plays more minutes and is more of a true PG than Strickland. But when Strickland played nearly or the same amount of minutes as Drew, he produces more points than Drew does. He may not be the passer Drew is, but he is the better scorer. And he's proven that time and time again as he's gotten more minutes. I don't think anyone at UNC would argue with that either...

Here are some examples:

Strickland: 18 pts in 18 minutes vs. Rutgers:
Drew: 10 pts in 28 minutes vs. Rutgers

Strickland: 17 pts. in 20 minutes vs. Clemson
Drew: 9 pts in 31 minutes vs. Clemson

Strickland: 9 pts in 18 minutes vs. NC Central
Drew: 5 pts. in 20 minutes vs. NC Central

Strickland: 12 pts in 18 minutes vs. Texas
Drew: 4 pts. in 27 minutes vs. Texas

If you give Strickland at least 18 minutes of action (which he's gotten in only 7 games), he got 8 or more points in 6.

Larry Drew has played 20 minutes in all 18 of UNC's games, and has only gotten more than 8 pts in 8.

It's pretty much a fact that Strickland can score better, but he doesn't get the minutes to prove it due to the fact that he isn't the passer Drew is.

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"It's pretty much a fact

"It's pretty much a fact that Stickland can score better"  How so?  

Once again you want to look at a couple of games instead of the "whole season". 

The fact is he doesn't score more than Larry Drew.  

Larry Drew has scored double figures 7 times... Strickland only 3.

Plus there is a reason Larry Drew gets more playing time than Strickland. 

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"Like I said he'd be getting

"Like I said he'd be getting as much PT as Drew come conference play."

I don't think that is going to happen. 

 Stricland has played a total of 51 minutes in 3 ACC games so far.

Drew has played 89 minutes in 3 ACC games so far. 

Give Larry Drew some respect Iggy haha.  Seriously though, if Strickland ends up scoring (averaging) more points than Larry Drew at the end of the season then I will definitely admit I was wrong. 

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butidonthavemoney liek so

butidonthavemoney liek so many other people you only see what you wanna see. how am i wrting him off by saying he is raw and he should stay and he would be alot better next year?. just because im not saying hes the next this or that im writing him off? also dont be hypocrite. if you gonna get upset about em talking down on him then get upsert about peopel who constantly talk good about a player. because liek i told the other guy its the same thing. dont just get upset because you dont agree about something. i give praise where its due and i never hear you say a word about that but when i dont give praise where it isnt due then all of a sudden thats a problem. liek i said befor ei call it liek i see it. if someone is dominating i will say so. if they arent i well say so as well, not like some peopel who are just biased and will one talk about how good a player is playing. the reason i mention favors is because soooooooooooooooooooooo many peopel during the summer talked about how dominate he will be this year and how hes gonna be like micheal beasley and all this other stuff and i was constantly saying its not gonna be like hs and dont just look at his stats at the mcdonalds game and you have to look at a players skill set. seems that now that hes not doing what they thought, those people are no upset instead of accepting reality

JNixon-Iggy9- doesnt strickland have to score more for you to even have a arguement that hes a better scorer? no different then saying a guy off the bench is a better rebound but averages less rebounds. at this point if he was a better anything he would be talking drews minutes especially since some people claim drew is so bad. what does that make the player who cant take his spot?..food for thought

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That's not necessarily true.

That's not necessarily true. I think that Strickland could put up more points than Drew could in the same amount of minutes. The reason he doesn't is because Drew is the better passer and Coach Williams would much rather have a true PG run his offense than a scorer and combo guard like Strickland. Strickland would be labeled a scorer, while Drew would be labeled the better PG/passer in my eyes..It's pretty much going to be Drew who leads those 2 in scoring as long as he plays the amount of minutes he does relative to Strickland..I still think he's the better scorer. Similar to how I think JR Smith is a better scorer than Chris Paul despite Paul averaging more points and playing more minutes, or how last season John Salmons scored more than Derrick Rose despite Rose being the better natural scorer in my eyes. For whatever the factors may be, a player can score more than another player but not be the better natural "scorer" than that player...But watch, Strickland will emerge and show why he was recruited to play for UNC. He's a scoring guard. Drew is the better passer and playmaker, but I still maintain that Strickland is the better natural scorer despite what the stats currently say...

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OK

"butidonthavemoney liek so many other people you only see what you wanna see."'

Name one instance where I was ignorant of Derrick Favors struggles. Please highlight for me where I only "saw what I wanted to see", by all means.

"how am i wrting him off by saying he is raw and he should stay and he would be alot better next year?"

You didn't say that, did you?

"also dont be hypocrite. if you gonna get upset about em talking down on him then get upsert about peopel who constantly talk good about a player."

That is not what the word "hypocrite" means. In response, I guess I am just more positive-minded. Besides off the top of my head I don't see anybody talking about any player as much as you do about Derrick Favors.

"dont just get upset because you dont agree about something."

When did I get upset?

Now I'll break this down into two parts:

1. Don't immediately judge me for defending Derrick Favors. I have every right to that as you do to constantly bash him. You assume that I'm ignorant and a hypocrite. To turn it around, I think YOU are only seeing what you want to see, in me being some megalo Derrick Favors fanboy who can't read a stat sheet.

2. I guess the rest of your post AFTER you talked about me, made some sense. I used to get mad when everybody made excuses for Anthony Randolph (I couldn't care less anymore). Anyway I'm tired of discussing this. You won't get any beef from me on the subject anymore.

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