might wanna add these names to youre mock draft. this is from hoopsworld.com writer who talks to nba teams weekly
Ekpe Udoh 6'10 Power Forward (Baylor)
NBA Scouts and GMs weren't exactly blown away with Ekpe Udoh after this first two years at Michigan, where he began his collegiate career. In two seasons with the Wolverines Udoh averaged just four points and five rebounds, failing to live up to his full potential in Coach Beiein's system. So he decided to transfer over to Baylor and it's ended up being the best thing he ever could have done. Udoh is the catalyst behind the Bear's surprising surge into the Top 25. He's very long and athletic with a versatile skill set offensively. He's gets his 14 points from both the high and low post area, with the ability to shoot from all the way out from beyond the three point line. Along with 14 points Udoh averages 11.5 rebounds, two assists, and four blocks a contest. He's breakout junior campaign has his stock in the lottery.
Elias Harris 6'7 Small Forward (Gonzaga)
The Gonzaga coaching staff was a little bit surprised by Austin Daye's decision to leave after his sophomore year since they thought they were going to have him for at least three seasons. They've gotten accustomed to seeing players go off for professional careers though and because of their consistently great recruiting they've always managed to rebound. Elias Harris has stepped up as a freshman and established himself as one of the leaders for the 'Zags, posting up 14 points and seven rebounds. Harris spends time playing both forward positions for Coach Few, but will likely become a full-time small forward in the NBA as long as he can improve the reliability of his jump shot. His promise has teams very high on him though and while it's rare to see a Gonzaga player one-and-done, he may have a hard time turning away from his projected spot in the first 15 picks.
Gordon Hayward 6'8 Small Forward (Butler)
Like Gonzaga Butler has proven to be a powerhouse over the last couple of years with NBA draft prospects on the regular. Gordon Hayward has steadily improved as a sophomore, averaging 16 points, nine rebounds, and two assists for the 22nd ranked Bulldogs. At 6'8 Hayward spends virtually no time inside, he's a true perimeter player that emulates Adam Morrison more than Gerald Wallace. Hayward utilizes his basketball IQ more than his athleticism and although he's not the most explosive or quickest he is very lethal. He doesn't have star potential, but he could potentially be a very solid role player at the next level due to his intelligence, offensive skill, and 3-point shooting. Right now he's projected as a mid-first round pick.
Paul George 6'8 Small Forward (Fresno State)
In his second year Paul George has seen noticeable improvement at the same rate as Butler's Gordon Hayward. He has his Fresno State Bulldogs on a four game winning streak right now and despite his impressive numbers of 18 points, seven rebounds, three assists, and three steals a game he's by no means peaked or reached his full potential. George is a little bit on the slight side at just 210 lbs. and needs a lot of work with his ball-handling skills. Right now he'd be more of a specialist at the next level with his 3-point shooting. As a freshman he hit at a ridiculous 44% clip from beyond the arc. Teams are defending it better this year, which has his shooting down to a still impressive 40%. George is a mid-first round pick, but could use some more time to develop his overall game and strength.
Charles Garcia 6'10 Power Forward (Seattle)
We've talked about Charles Garcia at length over the past couple months as he's been one of the biggest surprises of the 2009-2010 season. Garcia needed a couple of years to get his academics in line and now that he has he's one of the best power forward prospects in a draft that is absolutely loaded with him. Garcia's 22 points and nine rebounds have him separating himself from the pack a little bit, but he'll have to prove himself in workouts this offseason as Seattle doesn't exactly play the toughest schedule. It's evident that Garcia has a big future in the NBA though. Unfortunately we only got to see him for 15 minutes against Oregon State, but his team did most of the work for him. His biggest test will come on the 26th when he goes up against Washington, the school he would have played for had he been cleared academically
Udoh is a bust waiting to happen. He doesn't have an NBA body, and his offensive game is non-existent. I've seen Baylor play, he can shoot like Stanley Robinson can shoot. It is a broke shot. If a team isn't guarding a guy out there, it speaks volumes. Teams get all caught up in the length and blocked shots, but we have seen this with Robin Lopez, Cedric Simmons, Dwayne Jones, Shawne Williams, JaVale McGee, Alexis Ajinca... I can go on. It keeps happening, and I don't know why. Plus, he is on the weakside (offense's left side) in a 2-3 defense. Check him out when they play Texas and Kansas, and then laugh at anyone who would spend a lottery pick on this guy.
How can anyone read the write up on Gordon Hayward (physically weak; emulating Adam Morrison; not athletic; explosive, or quick; won't go inside; no star potential) and then say mid-first round pick?
Am I missing something about a Pac 10 recruit going to a provisional D1 program and getting fascinated by the numbers he puts up? Hey, look Adonal Foyle is working over the Patriot League. Jerome Beasley is killing people at North Dakota. Oooooohhhhhh.
reguardless how you feel about the guy nba teams dont feel the same way
and thats what matters more as far as a guy getting drafted not what a fan thinks. and theres another side to the coin. you name all these guys who were bust but there are also guys int he same catagory who werent bust and turned out pretty good. cant just view it one way and ignore the other way to view things. everyone has there opinion about a player but im pretty sure the nba scouts have done there research about these guys and have watched alot more game film then we have...alot of fans THINK they know things about a player and some are right sometimes. theses guy KNOW alot more about a player and are paid to do this. they are right alot more times then we are
It is also why so many teams never escape the lottery or the 1-and-done ranks. If there is a bad team and they draft a guy who is either a project or a limited player, then they are going to be right back in the lottery next year. They basically end up waiting for when they get lucky with the lottery balls and have Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Allen Iverson, or Dwight Howard fall in their laps.
I almost never trust a site that says what NBA scouts say, I think a lot of them just put stuff out there to make other scouts think a certain way about players, possibly for them to get the player they covet, it's a big game, I think Chad Ford is probably the biggest tool in that game.
i dont think these guys are considered high lotto picks. im pretty sure the guys who pick them wont be a team int he lotto. more then likely it will be a playoff team or a team that barely missed it that doesnt need a future super star pick.
ive always heard these guys being possible first round picks. no one is saying they will get picked over henry,wall etc. people seem to forget that the draft is more then just bad teams picking lotto picks
George and Garcia are the real deals though. Haven't seen Udoh since Michigan, I like Hayward's game and size, if Mike Dunleavy Jr. can have some success this dude will have a good career. He's not even close to being as un athletic as Ammo. I haven't watched Harris either.
mike dunleavy jr has success because hes a good player though. not saying that guy isnt but im just sayinng mike was a beast when he was in college. think he was first or second team all american. 6'9 sf that had pretty good handkles and can shoot. before getting injured was putting up 19 a game int he nba. thats no slouch
Dunleavy's soft though. Hayward has a lot of the same skills as Dunleavy, he's just not a injury prone &$#%#&@! like him.
lol..he is soft but i wouldnt call him pu$$y because he gets injured..you cant help that. you gotta be able to separate a dislike for a player and there skills. i never liked karl malone and i like amare better but im smart enough to know that amare isnt better then karl. if those guys can put up mikes best numbers then that would be a big big plus. also other then last year and some of this year mike hasnt even missed that many games
I think Dunleavy has got skills, I just think he's a little Coach's son beeatch. I bet he gets punked all the time, how much trash talk do you think he receives with that choir boy look and soft demeanor? I just feel Hayward is Dunleavy with some toughness, obviously Dunleavy in his good days was pretty dece', but he was never better than a fourth option on a good playoff team, probably a good starter at best, if Hayward is that with toughness I think he should go Top 20.
not much since he can get on the court and bust peoples azz. that tends to quite people down. now if he played like sasah v for the lakers then im sure he would be getting punked alot. people tend to respect you when you produce
The problem for Dunleavy is that he only "really" produced in one season as his draft selection would warrant. Besides the 07-08 season and the wash last season was, he never averaged more than 13 points or 3 assists a game, for a Top 3 pick that warrants getting punked on, especially when you look the way he does. Like I said up above, was he really ever better than just a good starter, was he even that?
It won't take Hayward much to have a better legacy than Dunleavy, he has Top 3 Bust written all over his career, it will get even worse if he doesn't come back and produce like he did in 07-08.
maybe by fans which i can understand fans always punk players for some reason even though they wish they had the ability that the players had but ive never heard of players punking him and i dont see him getting punked on the court( elbows or alot of sh*t talking going his way. ive seen players who put up less numbers then him drated in his spot and lower a couple of times. plus i never hear about people saying hes a big bust like a lot of players who fans seem to think are good or who some think arent soft
and getting 13 a game is producing in my book. and hes avered 13,14,15 and 19 in different seasons. thats pretty good