T'Wolves make bold offer, Pacers quickly say No
Minnesota Timberwolves general manager David Kahn recently offered forward Al Jefferson(notes) to the Indiana Pacers for forward Danny Granger(notes), but was immediately rebuffed, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
While Pacers president Larry Bird remains determined to build around Granger, sources say Kahn has become increasingly dubious on making Jefferson a cornerstone for the Timberwolves.
So far, Kahn has tried to undo almost everything from the Kevin McHale regime, and trading Jefferson would be another significant step in that direction.
After rehabbing from a knee injury he suffered in February, Jefferson is still trying to work himself back to the elite form he showed last season when he had averaged 23.1 points and 11 rebounds. This season, he’s averaging 17.7 points and 9.1 rebounds.
Jefferson, 25, has three years and $42 million left on his contract after this season. Any proposed deal would’ve needed another player or two involved to make the salaries match, but the Pacers had no interest in such a discussion, sources said.
Minnesota also has chemistry issues between Jefferson and forward Kevin Love(notes). “There’s some jealous stuff that’s playing out,” one league source said.
The Pacers, who are tied for the second-worst record in the Eastern Conference, could be dealers before the trade deadline, but league executives believe Indiana has all but ruled out any moves that would include Granger or center Roy Hibbert(notes). After missing a month with a foot injury, Granger returned to the Pacers’ lineup on Friday. He has become one of the league’s best young scorers, averaging 24 points a game.
Bold move by Kahn lol. It's good to know Bird has some sense.
I dont know, Thought the Pacers should of considered it more, Granger is great, but in reality hes not gonna take them to next level so parting ways with him would make sense..
And I was surprised the Wolves tried to part ways with Jefferson so fast, thought they'd look into moving Love before Jefferson
So....if your the GM, do you make this deal? For either side?
That is a bold offer..I would trade Love wayyy faster than Jefferson anyway....Danny Granger for Al Jefferson. It would've helped fill a void for both teams though lol...
I don't think Jefferson would take us to the next level either though. I know he's coming off of the ACL injury, but he hasn't looked anything like he did last season. This would be a terrible time for Bird to trade for him considering the uncertainty with him.
As an Indianapolis resident, I can tell you right now that if Larry would've agreed to that deal... Fans would've screamed for his head. Granger is the man around here.
jefferson and hibbert sounds like a good front court to me....
Jefferson will be 100% his numbers are not far off considering he had serious knee surgery. Love shoots a low percentage is a double double machine and a better passer. With that said, no way I trade Jefferson before love. Jefferson requires a double team Love gets garbage points putbacks. I like Love, but He would be gone first. Granger is pretty much just a scorer. Not to say he never does anything else, but he is a scorer. Wolves need to throw another decent piece in that deal. They might not have that piece though
Glad to see see Bird didn't day yes to that, Granger is worth far more than Jefferson.
I knew it'd eventually come to this for Minnesota... I never understood why they traded Mayo for Love in the first place considering Love plays the same position as Jefferson.
Something has to give. Either Love or Jefferson will eventually have to go. I'm really not sure if Jefferson is not 100% or if he is having problems adjusting to the triangle. If anyone remembers Phil used to always bring in ex players or high IQ guys to run the offense when he left Chicago. It seems that Rambis is going to use this going forward and even though I don't think Love has the upside of Jefferson, Love is a better fit for that offense especially with his ability to shoot and pass from the elbow and post.
As for the trade, if I'm in charge I am going for Granger every time. He's too good not to keep. I really think you would see a lot more out of him if he was surrounded by better talent. I'm not sure either guy will every have Elite status (i.e., Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Paul) but I could easily see them being the sidekick on a championship team. For anyone that may not remember Granger was the guy that Phil wanted instead of Bynum.
"Something has to give. Either Love or Jefferson will eventually have to go. I'm really not sure if Jefferson is not 100% or if he is having problems adjusting to the triangle. If anyone remembers Phil used to always bring in ex players or high IQ guys to run the offense when he left Chicago. It seems that Rambis is going to use this going forward and even though I don't think Love has the upside of Jefferson, Love is a better fit for that offense especially with his ability to shoot and pass from the elbow and post."
Based on that logic of thinking... Is Flynn the next to go? He's not an ideal fit for the triangle either.
think its stupid for david kahn to do that... giving up basically the second best big man in the league for danny granger... they need to continue to rebuild through free agency where they should have enough money to keep their current team now and sign a max level free agent in 2010 or 2011.. they need to stay the path they are on... jefferson and love is the nastiest front court in the league... why would u want 2 change that..
and honestly tezo... i wouldnt be suprised to see flynn go... they still have rubios rights and ramon sessions.... now if the twolves could somehow get a hold of caron butler, without givin up jefferson, love, flynn, they would be golden...
I wonder I the Wolves offer Jefferson and the rights to Rubio for Granger and let's say Murphy, would they bite?
I think that if Minnesota are patient they will be able to pick up a wing player via free agency or at least be able to get either Turner, Johnson, Aminu, Henry or Ebanks in the draft. This upcoming draft has some very good wing players in it.
Indiana WILL NOT give up Granger unless they threw in there draft pick, Rubio and Jefferson at least. He is the face of the Pacers franchise and they still have plans to build around him for the next year or two then hopefully compete for a championship.
Why would I give up Jefferson and Rubio for Granger? That's a homer talking for ya.
Anyway, I would have pulled the move on both sides. Indiana isin't going anywhere and I do not believe Danny Granger is a legit #1 guy in the NBA. He can score and for his position gives you solid rebounding. I would want Al Jefferson opposite of Roy Hibbert because that gives you 2 strong big man and a handful a teams in the NBA could stop that.
hmmmmm thats a very interesting trade. i dont think jefferson can take them to the next level anymore then granger can but it is interesting. i dont think rambis offense will be much of a issue because i dont expect him to be there that long sine they will probably be losing for a couple more years. jefferson playing pf next to hibbert is interesting though. and granger in minny would be interesting. i dont see a clear cut view of either team really getting much better with this trade. it will depend what they get in the future around each player
Why would the wolves want this, it doesn't really help them much. i can see why the pacers would but not the wolves.
To the Pacers Granger is worth that much, if the T-Wolves are the ones that want to move Jefferson then why shouldn't the Pacers see what they can get out of them. Granger is a proven player in the NBA and an All-Star, Jefferson has just come back from an injury and has yet to make an All-Star team so why would you give up what you know CAN (key-word) be effective.
i can kinda see what youre saying but jefferson is in the west so its harder to get that all star spot out there . would you trade mo williams( allstar) for d.will?...or if dwill was coming bak for a injury?
I was just gonna say that.
In the East- I believe Jefferson is a 20-12 player. Along with Hibbert who's improving? I would do that. Even if you don't win this year and get a top 10 pick you can add a really good guard ( Xavier Henry) to those bigs
i like this trade makes both teams more attractive for different reasons
I'm with Igudola. When I first heard this, I thought Kahn was crazy. Are you kidding me??? Trade Jefferson. Yeah right, I'd have a half of mind to fire him tommorrow. Heck he drafted every point gurad execpt the one that counted, lol. I'll tell you what, Jefferson is a franchise player who can walk and chew gum. Everyone knows it can take almost TWO YEARS to come back from an ACL. Look at Tom Brady, Nene, etc. It took Nene two years. Wait until next year, Jefferson will be an elite player.
Dhamp2....the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
Matt Barnes scored 28 last night. I've bee saying give him more mins.......
D-Howard is overated
Nene should be traded from my Nuggets. He's too soft.
Granger is a proven SF, SF is the glue of the NBA team
Jefferson can give Indiana a good low post tandem
and wing players are more common than bigs
it helps both teams and Jefferson will finally play the SF spot
Minnesota will not attract free agents currently and this helps both teams fill their holes
this trade is 2 good to be true, it wont happen
Bird has invested in Granger and Indiana will draft a project big man next year and Granger will be 30+ before Indiana becomes a contender
You know a GM made a bad trade offer when they can't even fleece Larry Bird out of an actual NBA talent.
Here is the question, which roster looks worse Indiana without Granger or Minnesota without Jefferson?
IND: Watson, Jones, Dunleavy, Murphy, Hibbert, Price, Rush, Hansbrough, Foster, Head, McRoberts, and the exiled T.J. Ford.
MIN: Flynn, Ellington, Brewer, Gomes, Love, Hollins, Sessions, Jawai, Pavlovic, Wilkins, Cardinal, Pecherov, Tucker, and the exiled Blount.
Which player looks at his new teammate and smiles?
That must have been an interesting conversation:
DK: "Hey, Larry, it's David Kahn!"
LB: "Whaddya want, David? I'm not giving you any point guards."
DK: "No, no, no, I don't want any point guards. I have a trade proposal for you."
LB: "This should be interesting..."
DK: "How about Danny Granger for Al Jefferson? I know we might have to add a few more pieces later on, but those are the two main guys."
DK: (Thinks he's got Larry on the hook)
LB: "Wait a minute, David, I'm gonna put you on hold while I talk it over with some of the other guys, all right? Don't go anywhere, I'll be back shortly."
DK: "All right, Larry, take your time."
David friggin' Kahn is still on hold. He's about to hang up and pull a Mike from "Swingers."
Ha ha that's hilarious
Pacers could use a PG too.
I had high hopes for TJ... Thought and predicted him to have a breakout season. He's played so poorly that he's now the 3rd string point guard.
We need a big athletic point guard who can push the ball, pass and defend. We could also use a power forward who can score with his back to the basket, rebound and defend.
somewhere. i know jefferson hasnt been beasting like he should. but the guy is still young, very good offensive player. dont get me wrong granger is all-star player who i wouldnt mind having. but i think i would rather keep jefferson than love.
I guarantee u if the T-wolves had offered Love for Granger..Bird might've jumped at that...Love isnt as good as Jefferson but he's more marketable than Big Al...Indiana has a puzzling roster..if u look at it..They have An allstar in Granger.A solid point guard in Ford..a solid and improving bigman in Hibbert...And a guy that has the skills to be an allstar in Dunleavy.But since he's been in the league..He's been an underachiever..You'll expect Indy to have a much better record...But if u know basketball...You'll see that this collection of players dont mesh....
You could have put that on SLAM Magazine... That was freakin hilarious... It was a bold move by David Kahn and it was thick-faced on his part...LOL... But I think Larry Bird, an NBA Champ, a head coach for the Pacers whom he led to a Finals appearance in 2000, and of course, COY winner has too much of a common sense to let go of Granger at this point....
I think this would be a perfect trade for both teams even though it's not going to make them a contender. It will let both players play to their full pontential.
Jefferson will finially get to play at his natural position at PF, making him a beast in the low post next to Hibber. 6'11 PF in Jefferson and 7 Hibbert, that's the twin towers.
Granger will get to play in a free flowing offense allowing him to play free in the triangle offense. If you guys didn't notice, the triangle offense is built for the wing players. Example: Bulls - Jordan/Pippen, Lakers: Kobe/Odom. The bigs only pick up garbage points in this offense.