LAKERS COULD BECOME UNSTOPPABLE
Not all change is good change.
The Lakers have established a pecking order. Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Artest and then Lamar. Bosh has been a number one option since he came into the league. That wouldn't be the case on the Lakers. He'd go from a number one option to a number three option. What makes you think that'd work? Bosh has an ego... He recently made a comment about GM's thinking he'll except less than a max deal and basically that he believes he's a franchise player.
They're having problems getting productivity from their bench right now..why be greedy & add another superstar? when they added Artest during the summer to go along with their other allstars.. some said they might win 70 games or more....Paying all these allstar players MAX CONTRACTS will destroy the team..sooner or later each of them have to become free agents and will be lookin to be paid more then their counterparts if they have whut they think is a better season....these guys cant play all 48 minutes a GAME..This isnt the Yankees
but bosh isnt known as being selish just like gasol. any other team id be kinda worried but with phil and kobe and the fact that a title could be had im not too worried about that at all. not even a lil bit. im sure bosh woudnt mind not scoring as much so he can win a title like boston who had a bunch of players who were stars in other places. i liken bosh sitation to kg where he had to score alot in order for his team to win but would be more then willing to tone it down for a title.... all super stars expet max money. so im not worried about that. hell even non stars expect max money.
we shall see if it destroys or enhances. i see boston suceed with 3 hof and a future superstar so i dont see why the lakers cant do it. and boston also has wallace, daniels eddie house and big baby coming off the bench. im not worried if the lakers can make it work with three alstar players when boston has shown they can do it with 4 allstar taletn players and a coach who isnt the zen master like phil. people used to say it wouldnt work in boston either and low and behold they win a title
First, I don't think there is a chance Toronto trades Bosh before the trade deadline. After Boozer (who is a lock to leave Utah), I don't there is a great deal of certainty that the major free agents leave their current teams. Bosh likes Toronto. It isn't some little cow town. It is a great city that fills its arena and brings in a lot of revenue. Plus, they will probably be the #5 seed in the East. What good comes from selling off their best player for pennies on the dollar?
Andrew Bynum isn't a star. He is a starter on the most talented team in the NBA, but he is nowhere near worth that contract on any other team. He isn't a top ten center in this league. To make the point, I don't think Memphis would deal Marc Gasol for Bynum at this point. If Toronto loses Bosh over the summer, they save $17 million that can be used elsewhere. They'll have Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks to dangle as expiring contracts. What would be a better use of their money, dealing Evans, Banks, and their cap space as a trade exception to Utah for AK47's final year on his contract? They could do the same thing with Milwaukee for Michael Redd. I know that there are worse contracts than the $45 million that will still be owed Bynum, but that doesn't mean I'd want to weighing down my cap.
yeah that 21 and 10 average just screams average center. i dont feel there should be a excuse for a guy puttin gup those numbers ona good team just liek the same excuse used for rondo or the excuse evans or martin isnt as good because they score on a bad team. basically the only way you can get respect is doign good on a average team because if you do well on a good team the excuse is " well hes doing it on a good team" and if you do it on a bad team then its " well hes doing it on a bad team". im glad there are scouts and people in the nba who's job is to know talent, telling people how good these players are and have no i dont liek this guy or thats my team biasness. and love how the fans vote to show you how much they respect how good a player really is( of course you have the mcgrady and iverson star bias)
Bynum is definitely a top 10 center bothteamsplayhard, try and name 10 centers that are better than him. Bynum is so young and has already proved he can dominate before he got injured. I think he would be an awesome fit next to bargnani as well. Raps get a legit lowpost presence and bargnani is able to play his perimeter game
u guys know nothing bout basketball..saying bynum isnt a top 10 center..and memphis wouldnt trade marc gasol for bynum..bosh cant wait to got outta toronto..he feels he doesnt get the credit he deserves..and playing in a major market is something he dreams of..wallace is a smart guy..he knew after the pistons traded billups they werent going to win another title in detroit anytime soon..the trading of billups broke those guys spirit......bynum has improved so much this season..but when pau plays he's the number 1 option in the post.becuz pau's more skilled down low..
Actually Bynum doesn't have to get his points off putbacks, Bynum scores the vast majority of his points off post moves. But I do think that Bosh wants out of Toronto, but I don't think the Lakers are the team he'll go to. I don't see that happening at all....I think he's much more likely to go to Houston for example...
You need to watch the games closer. Bynum gets most of his points from hanging around the hoop and getting dump offs from his teammates who draw so much attention. He isn't that good when he gets the ball on the block. His little baby hook clanks off the rim more than it goes in. Plus, the injuries he has had have slowed him down a bit. He isn't quite as athletic he was a couple years ago. It is not his fault, but he is a little more lumbering and the fact that he is carrying more weight this year than he should isn't helping either. On most teams, a guy with $60 million contract has more responsibilities. With the Lakers, he is a luxury item. Nice to have, but on a team like Toronto he is just another bad contract on what will be a really bad team. So let's say Toronto work the same 4-out, 1-in scheme Orlando plays with Howard if they get Bynum, what happens when he can't run down to two feet from the hoop the same way Howard can and is forced to try and put together a post move. It doesn't work well when Howard tries and just as bad for Bynum.
I'll hold out Yao, though clearly it isn't close.
Tim Duncan (only on SA's propaganda to make him an All-Star starter every year is he a PF)
Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh (similar to Duncan with being called a PF, but who on Toronto guards Howard? Who guards Duncan? Who guards Shaq? End of story.)
Pau (for those glorious moments -i.e. 4th quarters of close games- when LA puts out their best lineup with Pau at the 5 and Lamar at the 4)
Brook Lopez
Al Jefferson
Marc Gasol (might be the best second round pick of the past five years)
Chris Kaman
Andrew Bogut
Al Horford (might be the most underrated player in the league, an absolute bull)
Kendrick Perkins (very similar position to Bynum, but is in better shape, fewer history of injuries, and less demanding of post touches that offer little value to the team)
Joakim Noah (more limited offensively than just about everyone, but he knows it and accepts the same garbage Bynum does while not wanting touches on the block)
yeah you obviously dont watch the laker games. bynum can score off of dump offs or creating for hisself. i watch ALL of the laker games and anyone else who has watched him knows you can give him the all and let him create for his self. you have youre opinion about him and thats cool but the fact is most people and all people who do the nba scout thing for a living believe bynum is good and will become a dominate big man
He doesn't defend as well as Bynum, nor does he rebound as well. I already said he can score more and pass better, but they'd be very soft on the post defensively with Bosh. Gasol and Bosh are both pretty weak strength-wise for big men, and they have narrow frames. Who would defend Howard or Shaq or even a Kevin Garnett type? I think both would have tons of troubke defending them in a playoff series...
Is averaging over 11 rpg how can you say Bynum is better at rebounding? I know he plauys along Gasol, but even without Gasol I still think he is a 10 rpg at best...Bosh could guard KG better than Bynum could...Howard would give anyone problems. And Bosh would exploit Shaq by shooting jumpers and taking him off the dribble.
Btw I don't think Bosh will be a Laker. Just saying Bosh would be a good fit IMO.
LENBIAS, he doesn't create for himself as well as many starting centers which is my point. I'm not going to credit him for catching an alley oop or dump off when his man goes to double. I will note when the Lakers know that they need to force feed him touches early to get him going, because otherwise he might not go hard. I will note when he clanks hooks and is far more mechanical in the post than guys like Jefferson, Kaman, Bogut, Lopez, and Marc. You also haven't said a word about what I said about Bynum not being as athletic and looking heavy. He may be 22 years old, but injuries know no age.
Tim Duncan (only on SA's propaganda to make him an All-Star starter every year is he a PF)
can play small lineup or a big lineup; but big lineup helps them on DEFENSE
Chris Bosh (similar to Duncan with being called a PF, but who on Toronto guards Howard? Who guards Duncan? Who guards Shaq? End of story.)
NO ONE GUARDS SHAQ ON TORONTO; THEY ARE HORRENDOUS ON DEFENSE!
Pau (for those glorious moments -i.e. 4th quarters of close games- when LA puts out their best lineup with Pau at the 5 and Lamar at the 4)
if it werent for Mbenga and Bynum using all those fouls Lakers would have lost
had Pau played center
Al Jefferson
playing out of position as well 6'9.75; not that good at stopping others from scoring
Al Horford
playing out of position as well 6'9.75; Howard dominates in these matchups
but that is Atlanta's best lineup; Garnett will dominate their frontcourt
Joakim Noah
offensive game is not versatile enough to play PF; otherwise Bulls would be looking for a center
his frame is that of a Power Forward in the grand scheme of Winning in the NBA
LENBIAS, the Lakers wouldn't entertain this deal if they thought they would be collecting titles with or without Bosh. They know the second half of their season is basically one long road trip, which does them no good in terms of getting ready for the playoffs. They know full well that they got through an injury-damaged West last year, and that isn't likely to be the case this year. They know that San Antonio is on cruise control, just trying to stay healthy and get their act together to peak come May, which makes the fact that they are still playing .600+ ball more impressive. They know in a seven game series with Dallas that Andrew Bynum would be made irrelevant when they put Dirk at the 5 because Dirk would run circles around him. They know that he would be made irrelevant in a potential Suns series because he can't guard Amare and it does no good having him chase Channing Frye around at the arc. It isn't going to be a cake walk.
6-6_PG, did you really just point to a mid-February regular season game and thinking there is some kind of value in it? Chris Bosh battles inside. He isn't a star, but he isn't like most of the Raptors who give no effort on that end.
San Antonio's big lineup consists of a supposed 6'5 center in Blair, 6'8 center in Bonner, or 6'8 center in McDyess. Please.
Put Al Jefferson with the Lakers, do they miss a beat? Put Joakim Noah or Al Horford with the Lakers, does their chance of winning a title change one iota? Of course not. If anything, it is improved.
Really, the Lakers would have lost all those games Pau played at center? I must have missed the playoffs in 2008 and 2009. Was that when Andrew Bynum became a top shelf NBA center?
Chris Bosh battles inside-- SO, look at their record he is not Dwight Howard on defense nor Andre Bynum on defense nor Marc Gasol on defense
he is not that physical, Al Jefferson battles 2 from time 2 time but he isnt stopping anybody from scoring
HE IS JUST TRYING TO OUTSCORE PEOPLE as is Bosh
San Antonio- in the championship runs they used Duncan to check everybody from Shaq to Garnett PF/C
you think Matt Bonner is checking Garnett? and btw Bonner is 6'10
McDyess
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Antonio-Mcdyess-3509/
Height w/o Shoes 6' 9.5"
byum doesnt creat as well as other centers?..yeah you obviously havent watched bynum much if you think that. as far as winning titles with or without bosh ummmmmm we won a title without bosh last year. we will win it again if we dont have them this yea. and 6'6 its easy to say if he used this foul or that foul and blah blah... no one knows if's so it doesnt matter. you are stuk on the size tripe when skill matters alot more then size. gasol is tall but slim and odom isnt the strongest guy around.. still win title
al jefferson is under sized but still is better then a bigger and stronger eric dampier. you keep naming big guys but youre naming the best of the best big guys. what about the big guys who arent that big. or how about the fact that tim duncan is 6'10 or the that one of the best rebounders in the history is only 6'8 and he was out weighed by every guy he checked. therefor there is no 100percent system of having to be big or tall in order to play defense.
eric dampier
mbenga
the candy man
all tall big centers. id take hortford, jefferson any day over them. youre statistics will always be flawed if all you use is the best of the best big men. and even great defenders have trouble with shaq kg, duncan so it doesnt matter who you have to guard them they are still gonna get points. you remeber the dream?..6'10.. destroyed shaq and david robinson. both were bigger and stronger and more athletic at the time. you know how he won?...smarts skill, foot work..thats what matters more then size and height
Bynum wouldn't guard KG, Gasol would.
Bynum averaged the same 11 rebounds that Bosh did when Gasol wasn't in the lineup with him. I think Bosh's rebound numbers are inflated, who else on Toronto rebounds well? Put him on LA and he'd average the 7/8 rebounds that Bynum does when he plays alongside Gasol...
And on Cleveland either Varajeo or Hickson would defend Bosh.
see now we are getting into the inflated thing.. we dont know if its inflated or not.. you could say it is because hes the only one there but you could say it isnt because he has to battle against the other teams 2 rebounders because no one is there. we woul dhave to say david lee isnt a good rebounder. i think its pretty much obvious that bosh is a good rebounder. is he better then bynum?..who knows. and ya'll talk about bosh defense like he gives up 30 every game. check out nba .com and see how many points a game on average the guys he check gets?...you will be very suprised to find out hes not as bad as a defender as ya'll think. as a matter of fact hes right where he should be. yes his rebounds would go down with gasol there just like anyone would. i think it works with him there. or it works with him not there. this isnt a trade that doesnt benifit the lakers thats for sure
You don't know if his rebound numbers are inflated or not, but then you say his rebounds would go down if he played by Gasol....I don't really feel like looking at NBA.com for stats on Bosh's every game, but I don't think Bosh is a good post defender from watching the man play. I said he can defend face up players, so no it's not like 'm acting like he gives up 30 points a night...If I thought the man played good D on the post, I would say it...just like I say it about anyone else. I'm not for or against Bosh, Im just saying what I see...
its common sense if you put one good rebounder next to another good rebounder chances are there rebounding numbers go down...come on now really....didnt bynum show that when gasol came back???.. you can feel hes not that good of a post defender but if hes not giving up alot of points from the guy hes guarding then thats good enough for me. i rather have that then a guy who people say are good defenders yet the guy they are guarding is dropping 20 and 30 ppg on them...
I witnessed him give up about 25 points to Elton Brand the other day, and he gave up 29 points to Rasheed Wallace last night....It's not tlike this man is shutting people down either...I'll give you some more stats in a second, I don't feel like it, but I guess all I can do it prove it now...
also check how many points duncan has given up to the guys hes checked and kg so you can see who actually gives up more points to the guys they guard.. i've done it already but check that out and then see how suprised you are when you find out who gives up more points to the guys they guard and see where bosh ranks
ducan gets about 24
boozer gets 20
kmart gets 15
yeah pretty much thats what is expected out of those guys. youre gonna have games where someone scores more then they usually get but keep going down that list and see how some other starters dont even get to there average...like i said the lakers arent as worried about his defense as you are hence they are asking about getting him
Tiring, but these are all the games were he gave up MORE than the players average..and these players where his matchups...
29 pts. to Rasheed Wallace yesterday
18 pts. to Thaddeus Young on Friday...
24 pts to Rashard Lewis on Wednesday....
14 pts to Jonas Jerebko on Dec. 27th
21 pts to David West on Dec. 20th
21 pts. to Rashard Lewis on Dec. 16th
28 pts to Michael Beasley on Dec. 15th
21 pts to Luis Scola on Dec. 13th
17 pts to Eyvan Ilyasova on Dec. 9th
16 pts to Ryan Gomes on Dec. 8th
30 pts to Antwaan Jamison Dec. 1st
18 to Amare Stoudemire on Nov. 29th
21 pts to Michael Beasley on Nov. 20th
22 pts. to Carlos Boozer on Nov. 18th
20 pts to Nene on Nov. 17th
30 pts to Amare Stoudemire on Nov. 15th
18 pts to Taj Gibson on Nov. 111th
29 pts. to Dirk Nowitzki Nov. 7th
17 pts to Charlie Villanueva on Nov. 4th
20 pts to Ryan Anderson on Nov. 1st
....i noticed you put up one game...check out how muh they average against him..not just one game...and see if they get to there AVERAGE cuz we all know someone can get alot of points against a guy in one game...but what are there averages against him?
ill help you with 2
taj 10ppg( im guessing that good game he had was just as bad the second time around)
villanueva-8ppg
like i stated before but wasnt clear...what do starting pf average against him?.if a player scores 30 against duncan does that make duncan a bad defender too?..if a couple of guys do it does it mean that?..does one game show how bad a defender is or a bunch of games and the averages against that player?..since the nba season is 82 games and not just one
i mean if we go by ne game i could say this
ariza and battier
vladimer-20
melo-38
marvin williams 29
hedo 23
roy-30
iggy-24
ronnie brewer-19
just some examples.......
i helped you out a lil..he gives up 16ppg to starting pf. not even counting the low averages by some back up power fowards which would have brought the number down even lower. so basically yes he gives up points to some guys on some nights like everyone but on average he doesnt. and isnt that what counts?..on average including all games or just a couple games?
I didn't put Gibson's 2nd game up because he came off the bench in that game, as opposed to him starting in the game I listed. I didn't know who he matched up against so I didn't list it. Same thing goes for Charlie Villanueva....and Ryan Gomes and Ryan Anderson.
I think putting his game--by-game analysis is more factual anyway, as it shows how he played against everyone I listed head-to-head. Especially when you consider that some of the games I listed, he didn't go up against the same matcups (probably due to injury), as I mentioned in the paragraph above....
i need to change it then because i actually added some guys who had good games against him while coming off the bench. with that said as a laker fan id be more then happy to add a player thsat gives up 16ppg as a starting pf. and thats on a team that is known to play bad defense so imagin how much less he will give up wit help from kobe,artest,gasol,and odom:)....whew the possibilities. i think this is why laker management is praised so much because of there smart decisions and how they look in this stuff and do there research before even thinking of making a trade:)..people can try to convince me other wise but unless they are jerry west or at least run a nba team and has a better track record then the lakers then im just not gonna be onvined
just finished reading another post called BYNUM FOR BOSH. at first i thought it was just some poster thinking of a trade. but after reading and seeing the link and seeing the source being peter v i knew it was real. at first site im thinking no because bynum is a young good center with great potential. the more i let the thought sink in i started thinking of the possibilities of gasol and bosh and odom and artest in that front court and felt a weird tingle that only bulls, spurs celtic fans have felt before. that tingle was the dynasty tingle. some may say. how can this work with all those stars. i say the triangle will make it work and the fact that bosh is tired of putting up great numbers while losing. winning always cures need to want to score all the time when you are always losing. we won the title last year with bynum not being much of a factor so imagin what we can do with another guy down low who can get us 30 on any given night? and he's only 25!!!!! i know i thought he was already 28 or 29. he will be 26 soon but thats still young.