Bynum for Bosh?
As promised, today’s column is pure basketball, triggered by trade winds.
A Lakers source told me the team had its sights set high, as usual, and planned to target the possible acquisition of Chris Bosh when it got closer to the 3 p.m. Feb. 18 trade deadline, and the Raptors might be more likely to move their Olympian/All-Star while still entitled to compensation.
It commonly is believed Bosh almost certain is to flee Toronto after this season, when he has the right to opt out of the final year ($17.1 million) of his contract.
My source believes the Lakers will offer Andrew Bynum for Bosh (if they haven’t done so already) well before the deadline expires. In itself, the one-for-one swap is impossible to make. Bynum’s “base year” essentially allows L.A. to take back but half of his salary this year ($12.5M). Of course, that restriction is lifted when next year’s salary ($13.7M) activates come July 1, at which time a sign-and-trade transaction would be feasible.
The possibility of such a deal makes sense to me. First of all, Bynum is a legit starting center for the defending champions. He also has three years left on his contract after this one.
As for the Raptors, despite the severe offseason roster renovation, they’re not giving any indication of being more than just a one-and-done playoff group this season and in the foreseeable future.
What’s Bosh’s motivation to stay? Clearly, management’s sense of urgency to protect its principal asset cannot be accentuated enough. If that’s impractical, the organization cannot afford to lose Bosh without receiving equitable compensation.
Asked by e-mail about all of the above and whether the Raptors and Lakers have discussed a Bosh-Bynum proposal, team president Bryan Colangelo, who surely is being contacted on a daily basis regarding the availability of his franchise player — especially when the team was 11-17 — he replied in kind:
“For the record, I am not actively seeking a deal or discussing Bosh with any team, much less the Lakers.
“I haven’t traded him yet and our position has been the same. We will not make a deal just to make a deal. Our intention is to keep him here long term.
“Additionally, I have not yet offered an extension as Dwyane Wade and LeBron James both received [from their respective teams]. So technically he has not said no.
“I honestly don’t think C.B. knows what the future holds, or what he wants to do, so I would say we’re still in the game as far as his pending free agency.”
In the meantime, the languishing Lakers may only have the marginal goods to obtain the likes of, say, Hornets’ forward Hilton Armstrong. Friday night they lost again (third straight road loss) to the Blazers (nine consecutive in Portland) and continue to showcase (I’m being kind) Sasha Vujacic (one year left at $5.475M) and free agents-in-waiting Jordan Farmar and Adam Morrison.
What are we to think when the Blazers are able to win minus six rotation players? Either it’s a great compliment to them or a blanket indictment on the Lakers minus Pau Gasol (hamstring).
As you recall, the Lakers were evicted from the playoffs in the first round the two previous tournaments before Gasol arrived Feb. 1, 2008. They’ve been Finalists since and last season experienced ultimate success.
Yes, I realize Kobe’s finger on his shooting hand is hurting for certain. I also realize he feels he must overachieve in Gasol’s absence. But hoisting 37 shots (aborting 23) in order to score 32 points is excessively egocentric even for Bryant, particularly when visiting the welfare line a mere four times.
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WOOOOOOOOOW.... let me think....gasol and bosh down low. that does sound great. bynum is young though and getting better. potential to be great.... whew thats tough one.. i wouldnt be mad if that happens or dont happens. if we can win a title with bynum playing liek he did half healthy last year then we can win a title much easier with bosh there. id hate to see bynum go but i think bosh would make me forget. bosh is just getting into his prime at 25. hmmm the mor ei think about it the mor eim starting to like it.
bosh compromises defense for offense tho
i say toronto makes that trade
bynums defense didnt factor in much in ur champinship run last year so im not too concerned with that. plus lakers play great team defense. im happy if the trade is made or not made. either way we are a title team for now and in the future
Bynum and Mbenga used their size against Howard
size is something that Toronto needs right now to become more of a contender
all contenders can defend the bigger lineups
not worried one bit about that. i dont most laker fans are either. and obviously phil jackson and the laker organizations knows what will work for them more then you and me so im not sweating that at all
I think they'd lack defense down low even though they'd be able to score on anybody. Bosh and Gasol play a similar game, although Gasol would be the better fit due to his passing skills. I think the Lakers should just stay with the same team. No need in changing the lineup. But if the Lakers offered that deal, I would take it without thought if I was Toronto. It would allow them to play Bargnani at the 4 and Bynum at the 5, which would give them a "poor man's" version of the current Laker frontcourt..
do it COLANGELO!
we won the title with bynum barely being a factor and to be honest bosh defense isnt worst then odoms. i watch odom get scored on alot every game i watch. the reason its not talked about as much is because hes not star like bosh. bosh lack of defense is overrated because of the players he has around him. just like melo bosh can pick up his defense if he needs to and playing with the lakers will cause him to do that. there arent too many teams who just bang down low to score the whole game so the banging doesnt worry me. the lakers have shown how good they can be with or without bynum. liek i said im happy with either out come. both outcomes still keep us as a title contending team so i see win win either way. its also a very good deal for the raptors. the deal might not happen if toronto keeps winning though and they get back jose from injury. i know alot of teams and fans hope the lakers dont make this deal though
This trade seems like a good one. I think there are a lot of high hopes for Bynum, but the Lakers only see flashes. If he were to go to the Raptors I think he would get more of a consistent opportunity and he could be part of a good inside outside combo with a guy like Bargnani. Bargs goes to the four and gets to play his game while Bynum bangs down low. As for the Lakers they get another multi talented big. I do think it hurts their defense, but I think Bosh might step it up more on that end. No one wants to be the all-star that gets traded to the defending champs and feel like they are the reason. He's not going to get the ball as much offensively, so that gives him more time to work on the defensive side of the ball.
I'm not too worried about them facing Howard again. Anyone that watched the series noticed that Bynum wasn't playing much and Gasol did a solid job on him for most of the games. So as long as he can keep his ego in check it should work. With Bosh there you are going to have a lot more mismatches. I'm not sure if any team is going to have a guy to defend both of those guys. Even if he leaves that leaves L.A. with capspace that they can use to fill roster spots. If he stays that gives them at least one young guy that can be a big part of that team going forward once guys like Kobe, Odom and Gasol start getting ready to hang it up.
I actually think Odom is a much better defender than Bosh is....Even though he also lacks muscle for a PF. He's an above average defender to me, while Bosh is a mediocre defender and rebounder at best...
Sorry people. Didn't mean to say he's a mediocre rebounder....
which is where team defense comes in. you dont have to be a great or even very good one on one defender when you have team defense. there arent any teams that have 2 kg,s or 2 duncans down low so theres not much to worry about if you have a good team defense and one good defender down low. the nba isnt one on one defense. you have help sides and zones and double and triple teams. now if its a team of bad defenders then you have a problem. ...im not sure how bad of a defender bosh is compared to these guys exactly but imma go check out how starting pf do against him compared to these other guys now and figure it out
Fast forward trade goes through... summer of 2011... Lakers just win third consecutive title... David Stern walks to the lecturn...
"With the first pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, the Toronto Raptors select _________.
Cue Jay Bilas: "Winning the lottery and selecting ________ is a reprieve for Toronto following the disastrous Bosh trade. _______ is a player with tremendous upside potential. He has huge hands and an extremely long wingspan. He shows nice touch on his shot, but is also so young and still learning the game. He is only going to get better and better, and Toronto has a bright future with _____________.
I don't think Bosh is going to be a bigger factor in team defense than Bynum is. Or Odom. I do think that Bynum gets in foul trouble alot on D at times when I watch LA play, but I still think he's a bigger factor on D than Bosh is. I know about help side D, but Bosh is nothing to right home about on or off the ball in games I've seen him play...I took that into consideration when I was talking about his D.
we all know what bynum can do ( 22 and 11 without gasol) toronto is not gonna win a title with or without bosh and hes a freeeagent. lets see if this makes sense...bosh is a unrestricted free agent and could leave the raptors for nothing or can trade him for a 22 youre odl center who everyone who knows basketball and people with unbiased opinions who watch hm says hes a very good and potentially dominate center. hmmmmm. and the lakers will be winning that title with bosh or without him just liek they did last year without him which shows the lakers may want bosh but they dont need bosh
forgot to mention that gasol didnt look like much of a defender either when he was with memphis. players tend to not look as good on defense when they have a large load to carry on there team. there defense does seem to get better when they have better teammates around them
bosh and gasol would try to outscore opponents idk
if that frontcourt would get too many defensive stops inside
Gasol isn't a very good defender now, forget Memphis...I already said if the Lakers offer it I would take it if I were Toronto, but not the other way around. Who's to say they'll win a championship with or without Bosh? Don't you have to actually play basketball to win a championship?...There is no such thing as a paper champion. There are alot of teams that look good on paper. That doesn't mean your the best team when you take the court though...This is all speculation as it is, and I doubt very seriously that this deal will ever even go down anyway lol...I don't see the Lakers even with a bunch of help D having a good defensive frontline with Bosh and Gasol back there...Not to mention I don't think they'd compliment each other that well offensively either...
between gasol bosh odom and artest and the fact we have kobe on our team and that the lakers are known for TEAM defense..key word being TEAM im not worried. as we all know the lakers make up for fishers defense all the time. you put gasol on the best big man down low bosh on the worst. let him and odom alternate and wala. if it was such a big issue do you think the lakers would be thinking of trading for bosh?
i understand we all have opinions about this but as a laker fan im gonna go with laker management over fans
Who are the unbiased (non-Laker fans) who think Bynum can be a potentially dominant center? I'm not a Laker fan, but I am an NBA fan so watching Kobe, Pau, Odom, and Artest is a joy. I can see when a guy is being propped up. It is like all those Bulls who played with Jordan who left with fat contracts. Look at all those Laker role players who got fat contracts after their rookie deals (Vujacic, George, Walton, etc). Nobody ever lived up to them. Heck Madsen got a contract. I remember Laker fans talking up Kwame after the 2006 playoffs. Bynum isn't a scrub, but he is in the overrated because he is playing with stars category. No doubt about it.
Artest is an on-ball defender, an elite one, but not a defender known for great play off the ball. He's not very good when he has to chase around players or get around screens. I watched him get torched alot by Lebron on Christmas, Jeff Green earlier in the season against OKC in that OT game, and when he defended Joe Johnson against the Hawks.
Kobe can ball hawk, and he's ferocious on the ball as well. I think he's a good team defender.
Fisher gets killed by all quick guards. He fits into a team D system though.
Gasol is mediocre at best defending the post straight up, and isn't a great shot blocking presence or pin-down player on rotations.
Bosh isn't much of a defender to me, he doesn't show fight straight up against his man in the post and he's not much of a shot blocker but he can defend face-up players.
I think Bynum is better for the team. He can block shots and defend pretty good against other post players. He did the best job against Howard by far last season in the Finals when he didn't foul, and he's much better this season against big men down low...
I think Bynum can become a dominant center. He's already a top 5 Center, and he's got some potential left in him, especially as he gets a better understanding of the game..I like Bynum alot man, but Im not at all a Laker fan. Even though my whole family is and I watch the Lakers play a whole lot...
According to one of Vescey's sources, the L.A. Lakers could offer Andrew Bynum for Bosh. The idea behind such a trade (or any trade they may make for Bosh) is that Toronto doesn't get left with nothing should their franchise player bolt in free agency. Trade him now and get some value, which admittedly Bynum would be. He's a talented, young center with the potential to dominate, and he's under contract for three more years. The Raps could move Andrea Bargnani over to the four and have a pretty solid frontcourt, at least for a few more years.- hoopsworld.com
i say this.. just watch the lakers game and listen to vangundy,markjackson, the tnt team. abc team nba players who arent on the lakers team and see what they say about how good or not good bynum is.
i maybe could side with you if a bunch of people shared youre opinion but this conversation has been had on how good bynum is and can be. when just one person says it then its just one guys opinion
any how this happens lakers are going to be great
i am back
i agree bynum is better for the team defensively. but the lakers front office is known to make great decisions. they fo there reserach about if the player will fit can they make them fit etc. plus when you dont have to score as muh you can put more energy into defense. and bosh has the tools to be a better defender. we are talking like bosh cant get any better on defense then he is now. you play on great teams then you tend to become better at defense. anyway you look at it the lakers will lose somethng but they will also gain something. you will rarely get a trade where you are gonna gain more and lose nothing
The way for him to get better on D is for him is to gain about 15-20 more pounds...He's got the ability to play D on face-up players pretty good, but he's not going to be able to stop a back-to-basket player like Howard or Shaq as he is now...He could match up well with a KG if he faces up, but he could even have trouble getting shots off against and rebounding against Kendrick Perkins. I'm telling you, even though Bosh is better offensively than Bynum I think Bynum is a better fit than Bosh for LA....
Iggy how can you say that Bosh is a medicore rebounder when he is one of the best rebounders in the league? Makes no sense.
i dont think he needs to add weight.. people used to say that about kg and although hes not kg kg has shown you dont have to gain a bunch of weight to be a good defender. not too many pf out there are gonna back a player down awhole game. hes fine the way he is
KG isn't skinny anyway he's like 245 or 250...You don't think Shaq or Dwight Howard could back down or establish position against Chris Bosh or Pau Gasol throughout a whole game?? Because I do
lol..umm shaq and howard do that to guys bigger then bosh.,,gasol did a great job on howard last year so im not worried about that plus shaq isnt the shaq of old.. he doesnt get any more then a good 14 on a good night so once again those 2 dont worry me one bit. plus we all know orlando rather chuck up threes then continue to feed howard. sorry but neither really scare the lakers
and kg is that weight now but he played in minny between 230-235 for a couple of years and during those years he was one of the best defenders in the game. not that it really matters though. as long as you give effort and have good timing, can front the post and have good help defense then youll be alright
So if he does that to guys....Bigger than Bosh...what do you think he would do to Bosh?? I think the Magic would much rather feed the ball to Howard in the playoffs than shoot 3's, even though they will shoot alot of 3's..I don't think Van Gundy is a bad enough coach to not feed Howard because Gasol and Bosh are down low....
And 235 isn't that bad at all for a 6'11 player, especially a player that has a sturdy lower body , which Garnett has...
shaq doesnt dominate anymore down low so why would the lakers worry about him?..why would you even mention him?..hes not the shaw of old. and gasol checks howard. so theres the answer to that problem...so there you go that fix's both problems
I could care less about the lakers side of it. With Bynum or Bosh they make a run at the title. But if the lakers offered this to the Raptors I would take it in a heartbeat. This makes them so much better. This allows them to play Bargani at the 4 where he can be the matchup problem ala dirk with dampier at the center. This allows 2 of their biggest investments(Bargani and bynum) to play their natural positions. I mean a starting lineup of Calderon, Derozan, Turkoglu, Bargani, and Bynum is very good offensively and better defensively than they have now. Now i still think Toronto would be far away from a contender but this would be a step in the right direction.
i feel the same about careing less for how it looks for the raptors
Sorry GregOden08...He's not a mediocre rebounder.
Did you see how Shaq played on Christmas against LA...He would be someone you have to worry about. Let's not downplay his importance. He's a factor. He's not a top 3 player anymore, but he's got the ability to be a big player in the playoffs. That's pretty much the reason he was signed.....
yeah shaq can do that every blue moon but it will be the playoffs with a bunch of other series not to mention shaw injury history ....nope sorry still not worried about him.... he was signed because of how howard destroyed them. shaq isnt a big threat to the lakers. not as much as you seem to think..sorry
lets not forget shaq getting in foul trouble and the biggest deal breaker....the pick and roll defense.... yeah thats the thing that hurts you with shaq. hes never ever been good at that and hes even worst at it now