Am i still considered a hating because i said favors is overrated and isnt as athletic as some think and that even though he has potential he is raw and cant play sf?. also can some people just admit scheyer is draftable. not saying hes a lotto or first rounder but he is draftable. on a side note im liking the younger pumlee. very athletic and goes hard
Derrick favors is overrated but he only is 18 so give him time but schyer can be drafter but what position will he play in the nba he to little for shooting guard and to slow for point guard picture schyer trying to chase rose and chris paul or trying to stop kobe and wade when there thats why he might not get drafted and Mason plumee is a beast in training he will be the man in a couple of years and give favors time to he still is young and he is athletic not josh smoth athletic but he is very athletic and he use to being the main man on offense not use to being the 2nd or 3rd option
scheyer is no slower than steve nash, and he's 6'5
You're not a hater. Derrick is a little overhyped, but like I've said...There is a lot to like about the guy and I think he's going to be a great NBA player. Also, he is not an overrated athlete. His conditioning is just not where it should be.
Jon will be an NBA player...I hate on Duke players a lot (UNC fan), but I think Jon will do fine in the NBA as a 7th/8th man. High-mid 2nd round pick.
Gani Lawl looks look the best nba prospect in that game right now
I was getting ready to say the same thing. This is my first Georgia Tech game and ignoring the names on the back of the jerseys... Lawl looks like the best NBA prospect on the floor.
It takes more than one game to evaluate a player, but Favors doesn't look that great to me right now... Just my first time ever seeing him though. I expected to see a more athletic player with a higher motor.
I wish Derrick Favors had Lawal's motor...
Both will be good prospects though.
trust me i understand that hes young and ive stated that before but was labeled as a hater from day one when i said hes alot more raw then people think. his foot work is wayyy behind his motor isnt that high. he doesnt jump as high as some think. cousins is easily more skilled then he is. and his defense is overrated. i looked at more then just blocks when i watch him and i see how he has trouble wit alot of guys and ends up fouling or just lets the guy score a power layup or dunk on or around him
SCHEYER remind me Steph Curry
I think Lawi and Scheyer had equally good showings. Lawi 21 pts 9 rbs, Scheyer 25 pts, 6 assists , no turnovers, and the player he guarded had 5 turnovers.
Watch out for Mfon Udofia....He's going to be a top PG next season probably and should develop into an NBA prospect. He's has alot of Jarrett Jack in him
I wouldn't say Udofia has any Jarret Jack in him, but he's a good player.
Scheyer has no position, no upside and his jump shot isn't good enough to bail him out of beating people off the dribble in the NBA. Remember, the arc is further back.
Lawal remains raw after three years. He still doesn't have much fluidity, and he's a flat out horrible passer.
Favors is not being given a fair chance in Atlanta this year. Still, he's been a dominant rebounder, and he's shooting 58.3 percent from the field. Is he a clear-cut No. 2 pick? No, not at all. But you'd be crazy to pass on him for Lawal or let him fall out of the top 7-8.
I will answer you criticism of Scheyer point by point
1.He has no position : With a A/TO ratio of 5 to 1 and averaging 6 plus assists per game he does a very good imitation of a point guard.
2. No upside: He is immensely better than one yr ago at this time and he continues to show good improvement . Do you mean something else other than potential to improve?
3. I am not sure what you mean " His jump shot isn't good enough to bail him out of beating people off the dribble in the NBA. " I assume you mean he can't compensate with his jump shot for what you perceive is his inability to beat people of the dribble in the NBA. He scored 4 baskets in yesterday's game by beating his defender off the dribble. He scored several basketball at Iowa State by beating defenders off the dribble. His jump is improving game by game . On the jump shot he was fouled on behind the NBA 3 point line he showed excellent lift and form in yesterday's game.
I am curious what are your credentials for evaluating potential NBA talent?
this draft has a lot of bust potential
jwhite53 what tean would you like to draft Scheyer, where he would
become the future starting point guard long term?
for the life of me I can't figure one out
i can bet goooooooood money he is better than mike conley......
i agree it does have alot of bust potential.
no slower then steve nash?? yeah thats really really pushing it. they shouldnt even be named in the same sentence
there is a difference between fastbreak speed and defensive foot speed, steve nash defense is ass, but in the open court he's 1 of the fastest, and im not the 1 to throw stats around but scheyer not even in the top 100 while playing for a major school with major competition
these are steve nash and jon scheyer's senior season stats in this order
minutes, fg%, 3pt%, ft%, rpg, apg, TOpg, bpg, spg, and ppg
95-96 SantaClara 33.8 43.0 34.4 89.4 3.6 6.0 3.6 0.0 1.3 17.0
09-10 DUKE 35.5 45.8 40.7 91.0 3.5 6.1 1.3 0.3 1.2 20.1
2 different conferences 2 different sets of competition
but scheyer aint draft worthy? lol like i said stats dont mean much but his fg%, 3pt%, high assist, low turnover numbers can carry over to the NBA not even mentioning his ft%
That's kinda true, although Nash is much better changing directions on a dime and has a quicker 1st step. He's also a better playmaker than Scheyer and a better shooter...That's not to say he's a poor shooter or passer, just not on Steve Nash's level and he'll probably never ever be...
i just posted the numbers, and steve nash is a 34 year old vet, but has NEVER had foot speed, 2-3 years in the league scheyer could be a great PG, teams also slept on ramon sessions, i mean his first true year playing for the bucks his stats were beter than derrick rose, and he'd be one of the top PGs in the league now had he was givin a starting job
im sorry but i cant compare a 2time mvp and hof to a sr college guy. there are guys who were better then scheyer who had better stats and were younger and put up better stats then nash who never were as good as nash in the nba. to say scheyer isnt even draftable is dumb i agree but there has been players who have put up great numbers in college in the pass like hansbrough. who knows if the fg and 3pt and ast to turnover ration can carry to the nba. these arent nba guards hes checking for one. he wont be the focal point of a nba teams offense for 2 the three point line is farther back the guards are bigger quicker and stronger and he wont be getting to the line as much because he wont be starting. so its just as dumb to say he can have the same stats in the nba as in college. i cant even think of one nba caliber starting guard he has faced yet can you? can he shoot like that and have that energy while checking a dwill or paul or rondo or rose ?..has he played against anyone even close to being as good as them?..or ever as good as a eddie house? i think he can play in the nba and come off the bench as a 7th man yes that is possible but to say he will trasnlate everything hes doing in college into the pros just isnt accurate. and we arent talking about a freshman who has all this potential we are talking about a 22 almost 23 sr
scheyer is 22? well THIS THREAD IS ABOUT
a 4 year VETERAN COLLEGE guard
versus a FRESHAMN COLLEGE PF/center
why wouldnt Scheyer (Duke) outplay Favors (Georgia Tech)
conley left school after his fresmen year. if you wanna compare then compare what they did as freshmen
conley-11points 3reb 6ast 2st 2turnovers
scheyer-12 3reb 2ast 2turn overs 1stl