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personally i uld care less

personally i could care less about color. i used to love mike dunlevey in college. hated duke but loved him. hated sheldon williams. loved morrison hated jj reddick. love steve blake. wasnt high on joe forte

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Sigh... and now I'm a

Sigh... and now I'm a racist. I spoke about his game, his lack of lateral quickness, how he gets his touches and makes his moves. I ANALYZE HOW HE PLAYS THE &$#%#&@! GAME and now I'm racist for it? You Jwhite are worse than the kids in my school that assumed the teacher was singling them out because theyre black. Just because you cant seperate his skin color from his game doesnt mean I cant. And just because you have a man crush on him doesnt mean everyone who disagrees with you is racist. Capish?

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As a matter of fact jwhite,

As a matter of fact jwhite, you havent commented on anything but Scheyer. Can you post analysis of any other player, game or league in basketball? Cause right now, you really are coming of like his brother or something.

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jwhite53 is supposed to be

jwhite53 is supposed to be Scheyer's grandmother. I'm sure Scheyer wouldn't be too happy if he knew his grandmother was on nbadraft.net spewing a bunch of racist nonsense.

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Dbl post

Dbl post

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Tezo82 The truth can't be

Tezo82

The truth can't be racist. So you racists can't debate my points that Scheyer is a victim of racist stereotypes. So in desperation you use the R card . I don't care . Call me a racist a thousand times . The truth cannot be racist . Scheyer is as good as Wall is now but can't play in the NBA . Who is the racist? Look in the mirror if you want see a racist.

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I'm done with it ma'am.

I'm done with it ma'am. Personally... I hope Scheyer gets drafted and proves everybody wrong. If he can play, then he'll make the NBA.

You need to chill with blaming everything on color though. 1. All players get the "game doesn't translate" label, not just white people. 2. Even black players get labeled as not having a lot of upside. There are no such things as "anti-white" codes.

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jwhite53, Interesting Arguments But ..

jwhite53, when you stick to making logical arguments as to why you think Scheyer belongs in the NBA, you do it extremely well. Even though I don't agree with your extremely positive assessment of Scheyer as an NBA prospect, I like the way you structure your arguments.

And although I agree that there are negative stereotypes about some white players, I think you're off base when it comes to Scheyer. He isn't projected as a top flight NBA prospect because of two factors, a lack of both quickness and strength. Those are the two reasons he isn't rated highly, it has nothing to do with his skin color. If he proves everyone wrong and succeeds, that wouldn't shock me, but I would be surprised. I think all of us can agree that he's a great college player.

So it's OK to argue that you think he has enough quickness and strength to succeed at the next level, but at least in terms of Jon Scheyer, I think you're wrong about the racial aspect of his NBA draft rating.

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how you figure scheyer is as

how you figure scheyer is as good as wall? i think hes a nba player but not on wallas level at all

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jwhite. You are the most

jwhite. You are the most hypocritical person I have ever had the misfortune of debating. You make it seem like your the only person who looks at things objectively, but cant make an argument for this guy without including his color. You call everyone else on the site racist, then try to defend your race based hypothesis. No one else is hating on Scheyer because he's white. People dont like Scheyers game because he's below average at NBA level quickness, strength, and defense. The vast majority of college players have below average quickness, strength, and defense. No ones disputing his strengths. You just think his weaknesses will be more negligible than I do. Theres where more pressure on defense in the NBA than in college and I see Scheyers efficiency dropping when double teamed or pressured the way a Delonte West, or a Chauncey Billups, or a Rajon Rondo, or a Kyle Lowry, or a Jarrett Jack can do. I've seen offensive players way more talented than Scheyer sitting on the bench because of deficiencies in their game.

"So in desperation you use the R card". Why even abbreviate it? You've already said how the Kool Aid drinkers are doubting this kid just because he's white. I KNOW your the racist one here. I've had to many converstaions where kids like you argue "reverse racism" and "white discrimination". Again, Kool-Aid drinker? What's next? Porch monkey? Jigaboo? Or you gonna go for the Holy Grail of Racial Slurs next. You must be a conservative kid from the bible belt, with a confederate flag hanging in your room, listening to Rush Limbaugh with earnest. You seriously piss me off.

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Makadoza You can't debate

Makadoza

You can't debate the issue because you , in desperation , are using all the buzz words and code words for calling someone a racist. One definition of a racist is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal . If that's the definition you are using, I plead guilty. Since you can't debate on the facts you are bringing out the heavy artillery of those who are being embarrassed in a debate against a white : "Rush Limbaugh, bible belt ,confederate flag , conservative kid. "

I will respond with more facts: Derrick Favors #2 in NBA Draft net Mock Draft 2010 had 7 points today. Jon Scheyer 25 points 6 assists no turnovers. He primarily guarded Shumpert. Shumpert had 5 turnovers but you still insist Scheyer can't play defense. What's your response?

Man up and discuss this on the issues without name callling.

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Mkadoza, Reverse Racism?

Hey Mkadoza, I know people use the term frequently, but there is no such concept as "reverse racism". An action or a comment is either racist or it isn't.

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You don't have to tell me.

You don't have to tell me. But you dont know how many times some white kid who's dad 'donates' Syracuse university 6 digit money, scored triple digits on his SATs and still attended the most prestigious Communications school in the country told me that he think affirmative action is 'reverse racism'. I score 1460/1600, and I'm the one under question?

Theres also a fundamental difference between prejudice and racism. Racism is a social order that benefits one group over another. Prejudice is a though that people are different because of some determining factor.

If you really want to talk about how race is looked at today, and how that image has been cultivated over centuries of racial discrimination, "scientific" studies, white privilege, and religious and social exceptionalism, I'd be more than happy to go into facts. But if I'm being discriminatory because I "hate on Scheyer" my conversation is done.

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Mkadoza, I'm not accusing you of anything negative. We all have our little quirks in life, and when people use the term "reverse racism", that happens to be one of my quirks, so I felt compelled to respond. It had nothing to do with anything else you said.

I was an anthropology major in college and we learned that actions, comments, or policies can be defined as racist, but there is no such concept as "reverse" racism. That expression is used in America when there is some racist action taken against white people, but once again, there is no such thing as "reverse" discrimination in the law.

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this post should just be ended. He might deserve a chance in the summer league to make a roster but thats about it...maybe a late second round pick... He works hard, shoots well, doesn't turn over the ball. but whoever said he is like kirk is crazy! kirk is a lot quick, and a solid defender...not even close. High school doesn't always translate to the ncaa, just as the ncaa doesn't always translate to the nba. we all seem to label people really early, i do too. i wish him the best of luck...realistically though...i dont see him being a viable 15th man on an nba roster.

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wow did he really say "kool

wow did he really say "kool aid drinker"????

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Yeah Quincy. Tuesday, in

Yeah Quincy. Tuesday, in Scheyer v Ridnour.

"To D7H7N ;
You sound ridiculous attempting to rationalize proof Scheyer is an NBA prospect. The definition of athletic is simply being good at athletics. When Scheyer schools the incredibly overrated UNC players this year you won't be LOL. It can't be denied. Just as Hansbrough, despite doing everything a college player could do to prove he could play in the NBA, people like you used racist stereotypes to belittle him, as you and other Kool aid drinkers are doing with Scheyer."

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This is my last time commenting on any Scheyer post

this is the last time I will comment on any Scheyer post. Great college player, NBA 10-12th man or journeyman. He isn't the first or the last.

Miles Simon, Troy Bell, Joe Forte, Joe Crispin, Dan Dickau, Keith Langford, Andre Emmit, Jason Gardner, Hollis Price, JamesOn Curry, half the guards in the D-League

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WOW. thats true racisim in

WOW. thats true racisim in every sense of the word

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you lose all respect with

you lose all respect with the koolaid racist comment

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to LEN BIAS

You lose all respect with your unintelligent comment. " Drinking the Kool Aid " or "kool Aid drinkers" refers to the Reverend Jim Jones who caused over 900 deaths of both black and white followers. He was the head of a religious cult that was based in San Francisco. He moved his cult and it's followers to a religious settlement Jones had constructed in the jungles of Guyana on the coast of South America. When his henchmen killed a visiting congressman ,reporters, and others, Jones knew he was finished. So he commanded all every one of his followers to drink poison which was added to large tubes of Kool Aid to make it easier to ingest . Most did so willingly. So the expression "drinking the kool aid " has come to mean accepting an idea or belief without any critical thinking even if it is bviously wrong or harmful . Drinking the kool aid or kool aid drinkers has become an expression which means people who are accepting of ideas without any critical thinking, or accept ideas and beliefs which are clearly wrong. This was why I used it. It describes some on this forum who IMHO, seem to accept what is called the conventional without question.

I feel I'm owed an apology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid

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Your an idiot. I can't

Your an idiot. I can't debate you because you dont debate. You yell, you quibble, you make it about race. race was brought up first by you. fact. First person to call someone racist is you. Fact. First person to use race in their argument about basketball is you. That how I know your a conservative white kid from the bible belt, that listens to Rush Limbaugh. Because no one said a thing about race, and suddenly, JWhite comes in with his "truth cant be racist" reasoning. If the truth cant be racist, THEN WHY CANT YOU GET OVER THE FACT THAT JON SCHEYER IS BELOW AVERAGE IN QUICKNESS, STRENGTH, AND DEFENSE?

No one said he cant shoot, or pass, or that he wasnt a great college basketball player. Just because most people don't think he can translate his game to the NBA because of his deficiencies doesnt mean pointing it out make it racist. I already explained why Duke has a good defense, and why that doesn't lead to being a good individual defender in the NBA. I already explained how Scheyer gets open of cuts and screens. (Scheyer not once beat a player straight of the dribble. He always received a screen. No only that, he doesn't have the ability to dribble out of double team.) You give numbers, I give analysis.

This is the last time I'm ever responding to you or commenting on Scheyer. There is no point for any of this conversation.

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I will bet you $10,000 I can

I will bet you $10,000 I can provide tapes of Scheyer's games where he has beaten his defender(s) "straight off the dribble" . He did it several times today in the GT Duke game.
Put up or shut up.

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Scheyer was also 3/13 from

Scheyer was also 3/13 from behind the arc, great judgment by him obviously.

We all know he's a great shooter, but if you're having a bad day shooting, why even take 13 3 pointers?

Lol, also we'll just wait until next year around this time if Scheyer happens to make it in the NBA.

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scheyer will be drafted and

scheyer will be drafted and will be on an NBA team next year, 2nd round whatever he'll be in there
his high basketball iq will get him in

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He could, but he'd be better

He could, but he'd be better off in Europe, where he could not only be on the team, but he'd actually play basketball....In the NBA, he would hardly play meaningful minutes. I don't doubt he could make a team, but it'd be for the league minimum more than likely and he wouldn't play alot...He's Chris Quinn 2.0

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hmmm you do make a great

hmmm you do make a great point about the kool aid reference.. i do apologize for that one. now as far as the topic. sheyer should get drafted. and should be a good off the bench player int he nba. im not sure why people think he wont even get drafted. is he better then alot of other guys prjected to go first round as far as there games translating to the nba?..no

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