BYNUM WITHOUT GASOL
ONCE AGAIN BYNUM HAS SHOWN WHAT HE can do without paul gasol there. how much more do some of ya'll need to show he is argueably the second best center int he nba?..any time gasols gone hes putting up a average of 22 and 11 boards . yes im a big laker fan but im also a realistic guy that goes with what i research and see. is it obvious yet that any good or even great center's numbers will drop when a 2nd team all nba guy comes back?..what do ya'll think will happen when blak griffen gets into game shape?..you think kahman will still be putting up those same numbers? im looking foward to the lake show beating the dog sh*t out of the clippers. not becaus ei dont liek the clippers but because of mr clippers on here.
Bynums really good, the 2nd best center in the league talent wise IMO, but If youre a Lakers fan wouldnt you agree that the Lakers are at their best with Gasol and thats more important then one player playing welll...I like Bynum alot, and its crazy to think, but I think the Lakers are at their best when he is not on the floor I want Odom at the 4 Gasol at 5 to finish games
oh dont get me wrong i rather have paul playing and paul is better then bynum. my point was how people started saying bynum wasnt that good because his numbers went down when paul got back like what he was doing without paul never happened
In terms of talent who do you think Bynum is behind? It isn't Howard he is just a brute and a very effective one at that. The way i see it Lopez and Bynum are the two most talented Center's in the NBA today. They can score in the low-post, shoot mid-range jumpers and play a consistent style of basketball.
yeah but its more then just that its production and impact. when you add it all together dwight is there. when any of them plays at there best id have to go with howard right now.
22 and 11 versus who? Houston? And their starting center IS? What happened when Bynum played against Spencer Hawes a few games ago?
Bynum is a very good center, but I don't think he's the 2nd best center in the NBA. I mean, yea... More touches are there when Gasol is out. However, it made no sense for him to be playing with the lack of aggression and passion he was playing with while Gasol was healthy. He wasn't rebounding nor playing with passion before this past game.
And Td8118 is right... The Lakers are at their best when Bynum isn't on the floor and it's Gasol and Odom in the post.
those were his numbers before gasol came back..not sure how many games it was but it was a nice chunk of games so it wasnt just againt houston it was against other nba teams. this isnt college where you can say "well that was against oakland" this is the nba playing against nba players and nba teams
and they had a very good record with him..of course they are better when you add a 2nd team all nba guy. thats common sense
What happened when Bynum played against Hawes a few games ago?
Where was Bynum's intensity, passion and energy while Gasol was healthy? Why wasn't he rebounding or playing D? What happened Q?
Because Gasol isn't going anywhere. He just signed a contract extension. You can throw that "Look what Bynum can do while Gasol is out" out the window. I want to know what can he do while Gasol is healthy and so far... That's not much.
A lot of people talk about Bynum being/becoming an all-star, etc. Tell me when he's going to be an all-star? Gasol just signed an extension and is Kobe's #2 option. Odom just signed an extension and is going to be on the floor during the crunch. Now they have Artest for a few years and he'll get his shots and playing time.
When does Bynum become this monster and all-star everyone talks about? What... When Gasol gets injured for the entire season? He needs to show me that he can be effective when Gasol is on the floor.
the poitn of look what bynum does when gasol is out was to prove he coul dstill do the things he did when gasol was out. his numbers went down with gasol and thats expected. hes not gonna continue to put up those great numbers with gasol there. no center int he nba would. anyone who expects that doesnt know basketball.. and why does he need to be a monstor when he has gasol and kobe?...what sense does that make when he has 2 players who are better then he is? and how doesnt he show hes effective when gasol is on the floor?..i mean damn what do you want him to do when he has kobe gasol odom and artest on his team?..if they are winning why does he have to dominate?..is it nessasary?..nope if they were losing then yeaa but they arent so he doesnt even need to do better then 12 and 7 to be honest
thats like saying "why doesnt rondo score more"..whyt the hell does he need to if they win and get a title with him getting 12 points a game. when they need him to show up and do better he does. when someones hurt rondo steps up because they need him to. when gasol is hurt bynum steps up and does what needs to be done. wow he didnt play great against sac and that means what?.. they won and even if they lost you think the lakers are gonna say oh man he;s so dissappointing because he didnt do anything for that one game even though he shot 7-12 and had 16 points. what more does he have to do when he has the best player in the world on his team?? he doesnt have to put up dwight numbers or kahaman numbers or lopez numbers because his team is better and they are winning. all he has to do is a lil here and a lil there and let kobe gasol and even odom some times take over
add to the fact that he is 22 years old!!!!!! and doing what hes doing on a chamionship team not even in his prime. so he can continue to put up 15 and 8 with kobe and gasol there and when they need him to step up more he will step up more as they get older
He wasn't even putting up 15 and 8 while Gasol was healthy. He disappeared. He wasn't playing with energy, passion... Wasn't rebounding. There were quite a few games in which he only scored four points. That's unexcusable. He wasn't playing D. There was talk about Phil moving him to the bench for Odom. The LATimes actually had an article about it and how Bynum had disappeared.
He wasn't aggressive at all. I obviously don't expect him to average 22 and 11 with Pau there. However, I do expect him to play aggressive, play D and rebound the ball. He wasn't doing that. I honestly believe Bynum is motivated by offensive touches and when he doesn't get them... He plays soft and uninterested.
i see what both of ya'll are saying but the fact is this. bynum is a very good player on a very good team who doesnt need to do much. i see what youre saying tezo and iit makes sense if he was playing on a bad team. but hes playing with the fakers so does he really need to do much? anyone who watched him while gasol was hurt knows how good he is. how much of a force he was and how the nba recognized it and acknowledged it. quicy bynum does play less aggressive with gasol there and can do more but lucky for the lakers they dont need him to. the good thing about all that is hes still young. i think it will be hard for him to get a bunch of rebounds when you have gasol and odom and artest and kobe rebounding. you cant expect him to get but so much with all those guys there. in conclusion tezo youre right that he shoul dbe more aggressive with gasol there like he is with gasol out but he is very good and dominate when gasol isnt there
IT QUINCEY and im now THE LAKESHOW. and tezo i agree with you 100percent about bynum not playing as hard when gasol is there and for the life of me i dont know why he doesn. but whe gasol is out he does what you want a star player to do and thats step up and take care of what he has to take care of for his team to win
and its not inexcuseable beacue you seem to forget the fact that THEY ARE WINNING. what he does is not a problem when they are winning. its a problem if they are losing.
Yep... They're winning because of #24. I don't think #24 having to score over 30 and hit game winning shots, vs teams they should be destroying, is a good thing. He's an amazing player, but he is 31 and this is his 13th season in the league. A lot of miles on those legs. It's unexcusable for Bynum not to show up... Period. If he did consistently, that takes pressure off of #24.
and thats bynums fault. turst me on this one the reason kobe still scores those points has nothing to do with bynum. kobe does what he does because he continues to take the same or more shots. it has nothing to do with bynum or any other player. just because kobe has better players hasnt changed is will to take shots and do more or take shots he doesnt really have to take bynum shows up as much as hes suppossed to. he gets his boards plays his defense and does what hes suppossed to do. not sure if you under stand this but every player has there role and his role isnt to do what you seem to think he should do. phil has said it in the beginnign and hes said it just last week. for some reason you want more out of him but why? do the lakers need more out of him right now with the lakers having the best record int he nba and no one close to them in the east?? sorry to prove you wrong but my lakers are winning because of team basketball. yes kobe is the main reason but we win because everyone is playing there role. kobe is the number one guy gasol 2 bynum is three. when gasol is hurt bynum moves up gets his 22 and 11 and is the number 2 guy. when gasol is there he goes to three or sometimes four and we dont care which. the scary thing is bynum isnt a finished product by far at only 22.
at some point theres a thing called greed that some people have where they want a player to do more when the team doesnt need to and can mess up chemistry. he does what we need and want him to. you dont have to agree with it and think hes not that good but the rest of the leauge knows better when hes droping buckets and getting boards and we are getting yet another ring which is all i really care about. i dont care if bynum averages 4 points as long as we win. matter of fact he didnt do awhole lot and we still won the title last year so it really doesnt matter to much what he does now..22,15,10 points a game either way we getting that ring. and yeah 16 against sac isnt as bad as you try to make it and against dallas is pretty nice especially when you go 8-8. isnt that the same ppg that brook is putting up?
hes averaging 14 and 7.6 reb a game with gasol back
i don't think anyone said he is a bad player, we just said that lopez is better and of course dwight.
everyone is entitled to there opinion but the stats dont lie when gasol isnt there bynum puts up better numbers then lopez in less time against better comp since some of lopez gstats are against the back up centers once there team is already out of the game because its a blow out. i also put some sort of asterk next to a player putting up stats on a bad team. like david lee putting up better numbers in pts and reb then d.howard but no one will tell you hes as good or should get paid the same
"The Lakeshow"... This is Bynum's 5th year in the league compared to Lopez's 2nd. It's like you develop the guidelines of which you compare players as you go along lol. Let's compare the numbers and playing time Bynum was putting up his 2nd year vs Lopez's 2nd. Or let's compare their first years. It's not even close. Lopez is already close to or better than Bynum in only his 2nd season.
And somehow in your head... You've determined to knock Lopez's production from playing on a bad team. You don't think Bynum's benefited from playing beside the best offensive player the world has ever seen since Michael Jordan? I don't think anybody would disagree with me if I said Lopez could put up similar numbers to Bynum if he was on the Lakers.
I'd like to see Bynum put up the numbers Lopez is putting up on a young team full of basically unestablished players. Teams are trying to stop Lopez every night, while Bynum plays off of the best player in the world.
Don't forget about Al Horford, Hawes and Noah they aren't as good but getting a lot better.
Bogut and Kaman are nice too.
Unlike Bynum who can sleep walk thru games becaz he has Kobe these guys don't have that luxury.
Bynum dominates Chuck Hayes and Drew Gooden who cares they don't have the size to deal with him even.
Brook Lopez already hit 24 on him, Hawes 30, Shaq 15 years older than him outplayed him too.
What happened to his ft% did Gasol coming back hurt that too?
Without Gasol Lakers won win anything and Odom was the difference against the Nuggets last year not Bynum.
Bynum has been great in a number of games. I think he is the best center in the western conference. If you put him on a lot of teams he would put up 20-10 and he has proven that he can do that consistently when he's not playing with Gasol taking up the paint. Will he make the all-star, team i don't know and i don't really care. I just wanna see the lakers win and bynum has given 2 straight great performances to help us do that without gasol.