If the Pacers get the No. 1 pick, which is more likely. ...
If the Pacers get the No. 1 pick, which is more likely. ...
They draft John Wall or Kyle Singler, Cole Aldrich, Luke Babbitt, Luke Harangody, AJ Ogilvy, Robbie Hummel or Tim Olbrecht?
hahahahaha great post
do you really have to ask?...this is beyond a no brainer
I am pretty sure he was making a joke about Larry Bird usually drafting white players.
Yes it should be John Wall, but I'm going with Cole Aldrich. LOL.
PG- Travis Diener
SG- Mike Dunleavy
SF- Luke Harangody(2nd round pick)
PF- Troy Murphy/Tyler Hansbrough
C- Cole Aldrich
Oh and josh McRoberts backup C.
hahah nice post
lol...if thats the case then probably the white kid out of cinncinati..lol..but thats weird if bird does that considering how he said he thought it was a slap int he face when another team would put a white player on him in a game. does he really draft more white players then other teams?
As a long time Pacers fan, season tickets holder and someone who's very critical of the job Bird's done... Don't even get me started lol. It'd spark up a whole new debate that a few posters are sensitive about on here.
I don't think Bird is stupid enough to pass up Wall, but Bird isn't big on underclassmen. Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if Bird took one of those other guys you mentioned with a VERY high first round pick. I'm a big fan of Luke Harangody, but Bird is probably his best chance of getting picked in the lottery.
yeah please dont start because i bet i know what poster you are talking about and he will go on and on about how racists you are and how all of us are racist and blah blah blah even if what you are saying is true. as far as luke i think he will suprise alot of people. i see guys like brockman playing and doing well and other and im damn near 100percent sure that he is much better then those guys. hes more athletic then peopel give him credit for as well as skilled and hard worker
lol, funny post, but with Ford uncertain and their huge weakness at pg, I think Bird would have to draft Wall at #1, but if he is 3-5 count on Cole or Motiejunas, lol
they already have hibbert so why draft cole. as far as the bird white players thing which white players has he drafted. im not saying he hasnt but i cant think of any he has because troy murphey and mike dunlevey were drafted by other teams
I truly am afraid of what Bird would do with the #1 pick. He really isn't big on drafting underclassmen... That was Walsh who drafted Harrington, traded for Bender, traded for Jermaine O'Neal, etc. Look at Bird's draft history. He's an old school guy and prefers drafting players that have 3-4 years of experience. I think that's not always a good thing. It's worth taking the risk on a young player with a bag full of potential.
I can't see Bird drafting a player fresh off of his first season of college with the first pick... Not saying he won't because Wall is the best player in college basketball, but... I don't trust Bird's judgement as a GM.
No, i dont think he drafts white players alot. He just happens to pick alot up. I know he drafted Tyler hansbrough. But he has signed or traded for Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy, and Josh McRoberts. It just seems like he likes white players but I don't think it is true. He has also signed Dahntay Jones, traded for TJ Ford, and drafted Roy Hibbert, Danny Granger and Brandon Rush. I do think they need to use their lottery pick on an athletic bigman though. Whether it be Favors, Aldrich, Ed Davis(Im not sold on Davis). This team is really lacking athleticism. A lineup like this wouldn't be bad.
PG- TJ Ford/AJ Price
SG- Dahntay Jones/ Brandon Rush
SF- Danny Granger/Mike Dunleavy
PF- Tyler Hansbrough/Favors or davis/Josh McRoberts
C- Roy Hibbert/ Aldrich
But if anyone gets the number 1 pick they need to draft John Wall, whether they have a point guard or not. He is a guy you draft because he is the best player on the board. You can figure out a way to either play him(at the 1 or 2) or trade the point guard you already have. Either way John Wall should be the number 1 pick.
how long has bird been the gm?..because in the last 10 years the pacers have drafted one white guy and 2 euro guys(who's skin is white so do they count as white guys)
I was just joking quincey, I know Bird drafted Bayless, Jawai, Shawnee Williams, and countless black players. Hansbrough was really the only white guy he has drafted in the past few years, actually since 2001 ( im not sure when Bird took over ) Erazem Lorbek, and Hansbrough were the only white guys he drafted. It's just funny to joke about.
Whoever says that Bird prefers drafting white players is taking it over the top. Bird did draft Danny Granger. He drafted Rush, Hibbert and Price. He's only drafted one American white player and that's Hansbrough.
I think Larry Bird took over during the 2003-2004 season. Here are all of his draft choices. I don't know if they had any draft choices in 2007, at least there aren't any on the list I found.
He did not draft Roy Hibbert but picked him on a draft day trade with Toronto [at least I think it was Toronto].
1 Tyler Hansbrough North Carolina
2 A.J. Price Connecticut
1 Jerryd Bayless University of Arizona
2 Nathan Jawai Cairns Taipans (AUS)
1 Shawne Williams University of Memphis
2 Alexander Johnson Florida State University
1 Danny Granger New Mexico
2 Erazem Lorbek Slovenia
1 David Harrison Colorado
2 Rashad Wright Georgia
2 James Jones Miami Fla
man thats not that great of a draft history
Quincey... TELL ME ABOUT IT.
I think it's important to note that Larry Bird traded Alexander Johnson and two 2nd round picks (2007 and 2008 2nd round picks) for James White during the 2006 Draft. Then turned around and cut White in Oct.
And obviously he traded Jerryd Bayless (I was p'd) to Portland for Brandon Rush.
Yes... He did pick Hibbert. That was the pick they picked up from the Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto trade. It was pre-aranged. The Pacers picked up T. J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovič, Maceo Baston and the 17th pick for Jermaine O'Neal and the 41st pick.
I even thought that trade was a bad one... Bird didn't even attempt to pick up any expiring contracts in the deal.
Portland acquired the draft rights to 11th pick Jerryd Bayless and Ike Diogu from Indiana in exchange for the draft rights to 13th pick Brandon Rush, Jarrett Jack and Josh McRoberts.
I think Larry Bird has done an awful job. Not only with the roster, but also within the front office. He fired Mel Daniels, who was an Indiana LEGEND, simply because he wasn't a "yes" man and was critical of coach O'Brien (who Bird REALLY likes for some reason) and some of Bird's draft moves.
Daniels had WAY more clout around here than Bird can dream of and was with the Pacers organization when they switched from the ABA to the NBA. Bird didn't even have enough balls to announce the firing (because he knew there'd be a backlash). He had the ceo of Pacers Sports and Entertainment do it instead.
Bird is a coward of a GM. Great player, but a coward of a GM. Jermaine O'Neal had an awful relationship with Bird. He promised O'Neal he was bringing back Isiah Thomas as coach so O'Neal would resign. Once O'Neal resigned, they fired Isiah. Not saying Isiah should've kept his job, but Bird lied. He also let the public and media think Jermaine O'Neal was the bad guy when he was playing through knee injuries that were damaging his career.
seems that great basketball players can't quite get it right as coahes/gms..jordan is horrible bird isnt that good. dumars is getting worst but he i wouldnt call him great imnt he terms of the barkleys, magic, jordan, bird... i.thomas was bad as well athough he was a good draft talent evaluator
The role players/ defensive guys are the great coaches, Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, George Karl, ...I guess Lenny Wilkins was an all-star in his day, but a majority of top coaches weren't the stars of their teams.
Kiki Vandeweghe was a good player and is doing a great job in Denver, I guess it's case by case
kiki was a good player but not a great player liek the other guys. i dont think kiki was a hall of famer and i dont think he was better then dumars
I guarantee Bird takes a College Senior or at worst, in his mind, a College Junior.
Good thing for Pacers fans is that four Juniors will probably go in the Top 10, I guess Bird can't go wrong this year with who ever he picks.
"Kiki Vandeweghe was a good player and is doing a great job in Denver"
He's in New Jersey now and is their GM and Coach.
No, he wasn't quite on the same level, he was a great offensive player in his hayday though. I think he was maybe as good as Dumars, but he didn't have the team success, so when you look at his total body of work Dumars has the edge.
At least Dumars won a championship though. That team he put together was perfect. Won a title and competed at the top of the East for quite a few years.
All great things have to come to an end though. He had to break it up... Build for the future. Got A.I.'s expiring contract for Billups (still a very good player, but his contract was huge) and handed over the reigns to young 6' 5" point guard Stuckey. I didn't have a problem with Joe Dumars until he overpaid Gordon and Charlie with the money he'd JUST gained from A.I.'s expiring contract and letting Sheed walk. Head scratcher there. I liked the move to bring back Big Ben though. I'll also give Joey D some credit for this past draft. Daye and Jebereko look like nice pieces for the future. Summers could be a very solid player too.
i think pittman would be a great pick for them
I'm kinding hoping that Turner falls into our lap if we don't land the #1 pick. I pray that he's there when we pick lol. I think the comparisons to Roy are legit. He'd fit alongside Danny Granger real nice.
i dont know why people overlook mike dunlevey. his last healthy year he was puttin gup 19 and 5reb game. he was looking very good and once he's healthy again will be a big boast to them. you take away a 19ppg player from most teams and they wont look as good
Dunleavy has always been a good offensive player and passer, but he's soft. He doesn't play D at all. Add the knee injury, which almost ended his career, to it and he's no longer the same player. We can't count on him. He's been unhealthy the last two seasons and at this stage in his career... I think it's best we move on. We need to shop him next season since his contract will be in the last year or let him expire and walk.
We need to find his replacement. Turner could be that guy. He'd be a big upgrade over Dunleavy in terms of talent and overall play.
and hes young yet peopel use a different excuse for mcgrady whos older with a worst injury.. and is known to be a soft defender. theres been a couple of players who have been injuried for 2 years getting healthy and eventually get there ability back. the myth in the nba is that so many players are so good at defense int he nba but the reality is dunlevy isnt worst then the average sf defender int he nba. this isnt certain yet but il check nba.com and see what players average against dunleval liek i did when peopel kept saying how bad beasley is at defense even though starting pf average 13 a game against him and dont shoot great percentages
actually he doesnt do that bad by just skimming over it. at sf or sg when hes had to play there. granger doesnt do that bad either. its the other positions that seem to be giving up the points and other productions
i think a bad defender is a guy who constantly gives up more then what the player they are checking usually averages. i dont think youre a bad defender if kobe gives you 30 since he does that to everyone. as long as you make him work which most nba players do. peopel dont realize it is very very hard to stop a good offensive player. great offense will beat great defense. you think of the best defensive sg and have them match up against jordan or kobe or wade for a series or a season and the defender isnt gonna look as good
I wouldn't say McGrady had a worse injury. Dunleavy had a bone spur the size of a golf ball on his knee.
He's also not that young. He's 29 years old. McGrady is only one year older.
Dunleavy is a good offensive player. High offensive IQ, very good shooter and passer. However he's really soft on D. A lot more soft than McGrady ever was. I'm surprised you put him and McGrady in the same sentence Q... Even at this stage in their careers. I've had season tickets for awhile now... He's very very soft on D. So is Murphy. They're both so overpaid, it's not even funny.
its known through otu the leauge that micro fracture surgery is the worst thing you can have. im not saying dunlevely is as good as mcgrady i was making a point. you can say hes soft on defense but he does a pretty good job at keeping who ever he checks at or in alot of cases below what they average which is exactly what you want out of a defender since no one is gonna shut a good player completely down. there are alot of other players on that team who have more of a problem then he does and after looking over everything whats funny is that granger gives up more points to who hes guarding then dunlevey did
You KNOW bird is looking at Singler saying
" Man, He Reminds me of Me!"
Here is what the Pacers will do with the 1st pick- Draft Greg Paulus
never been a fan of mike plus hes better as a sf and thats where granger plays. i say keep him when hes healthy and see what he can do but if you can get something good for him trade him. i actually like the pacers and how hard they work but they just have a lack of talent right now but they are heading in the right direction
Then those stats you're looking at are pretty misleading lol. Granger is a much tougher and competitive defender than Dunleavy ever was.
Microfracture surgery isn't as dreadful as it was 5-7 years ago. Just like how an ACL tear was considered to be career threatening at one point. I don't think Microfracture is considered career ending anymore in most cases. Docs are starting to perfect it, plus it just depends on the severity. McGrady is back WAY earlier than anybody imagined. Dunleavy on the other hand had set back after set back and surgery after surgery. In this situation, his injury was much worse. He had a bone spur the size of a GOLF BALL on the front of his knee cap. His career was literally in jeopardy.
being tougher doesnt always make a guy a good defender. what i think helps dunlevery is that coach k teachs guys to play good basic defense. i cant see how misleading it can be if youre giving up more points then another guy when each guys has had to check that same guy a couple guys before. micro fracture surgery isnt as bad as it used to be but look it up and read what the players and nba docs say about which injury is the worst injury for a nba player. which ones effect a players running, jumping, side to side, bending the most and you will have youre answer as to what injury is worst for a basketball player
Show me the stats that say Granger gave up more points than Dunleavy... And what seasons are you using? Dunleavy only played 18 games last season.
You'd have to go all the way back to the 2007-2008 season, when both players played and started at least 80 games, to make an accurate comparison.
go to nba.com then click on each team they played then you have to go and google and see who granger and mike was guarding then google again and see when the guy they were guarding is out the game while they are in the game and vice versa then add it up and average it out. yeah i have too much time on my hands right now but im bored..lol
click on 2007-2008 season on when you go to individual stats part. might have to do it a couple of times because it kept sending me to 2009-2010
He wasn't that good of a GM. He sign K-Mart to that huge contract that he has now in Denver. The only reason why it looks like he did a good job is because he draft Melo, which was a no Brainer.