As I watched the last few Georgia Tech games, one thing is clear to me: Georgia Tech has the worst backcourt of any top 25 team. They can't shoot, dribble or pass, and this is the main reason Favors isn't producing more. Any big man has got to have guards on his team that can hit threes consistently to keep defenders honest, the ability to break a man down off the dribble and/or pass the rock in the right spots to the big man. GT's guards do none of those things with any effectiveness. Favors doesn't have the experince or the IQ yet to overcome his guards weaknesses. This is why Favors still will be a top 3 pick.
im sorry but that is yet another excuse. that is not why he is underachieving because gani does just fine with these so called bad guards.and to be honest he isnt underachieving. ive said this as well as many other scouts before he even started a college game. HE IS RAW OFFENSIVELY. he does have post moves. he doesnt have handles and he cant shoot. he is big long and athletic. there have been plenty of teams that have had big men but bad guards yet they produce. cousins gets the ball plenty of times and just turns the ball over. he has had games of 4,5,3 etc turnovers i mean he has turnover games that point guards should have. this was explained on nba coast to coast. a lot of highschool players get so use to dominating with there physical talent that they dont work as hard on the skills part. they get to college and they still dont need it sometimes so they still dont work as hard and some can get by in the nba like a dwight howard. favors got to college and found out he can just out jump or overpower everyone. it had nothing to do with his guards and everything to do with him. now e has potential and he hasnt been playing bad but too many fans who dont seem to know/study basketball too much sees a allstar game or highlight video of a guy dunking and doing all this stuff thats not skill related and think."wow hes the next so and so right now" they dont look at the foot work and the moves to get open and the ball handling with pressure or decision making. dribbling coast to coast once or twice in a all star game doesnt make you a sf or guard. hitting a three or 2 doesnt make you a shooter and alot of fans dont seem to realize it. favors doesnt have the game as well as iq to overcome his guards weakness right now. eventually i think he will but right now he doesnt and some people need to just accept this. he gets his points off of fast breaks or a put back o a wide open drive and dish. he might make a movehere and there but alot of times when he has to put the ball on the floor he turns it over. how many guys do well who arent the physical beast like shaq or howard who cant create there own offense through a jumper,post moves, or handles go to the nba and do well???
the player si can think of who are close to fitting that would be
tyrus thomas- but he could handle the ball better and create a lil
shawn marion- same thing with him and his intensity was unmatched
josh smith- same and he is a athletic freak
another key is these guys were/are more athletic then favors.
another thing that hirts him is hes not a good defender. he can block shoots but his foot work isnt that good and his decision making is even worst which shows with all the fouls he commits
like i said before he has potential and hes playing pretty good as a freshman,, but the epectations were way to high for a player of his skill set. he ould become alot better int he future but he also have a risk factor of not becoming awhole lot better as well.
He's seventh on my Mock. He's a project.
He needs to stay for a sophmore year fer sher. If he does then I see him as a legit top 5 pick who will have a much better NBA career.
If you had to rate the draft in tiers, what would your tiers look like?
id put favors int he third tone and id say third would be last..id have three with favors doing the worst out of all the guys. cole doesnt have to do much on his team since they are deep and are number 1
He is still raw but yes the guards can't get him the ball which is confusing to me? GT starts
Mfon Udofia Freshman Top 40 recruit - listed as a first rounder on the 2011 mock draft
Iman Shumpert Sophomore Top 40 recruit Mcdonald All American - was listed as a first rounder on the 2011 mock draft but not anymore.
GT has the talent but Paul Hewitt is NOT a good coach. I think Favors needs another year. If he comes back I think he would be the favorite for the #1 pick in the 2011 draft. He needs to work on his offensive game.
he plays good D, rebounds, and has great athleticism. he has all the makings for a top three pick but also a bust.
Okay, let me change this a bit. Nobody is doubting the athleticism. Nobody is doubting he has the frame and length to be a very good NBA power forward. He is currently going for 12-9 per game. As a freshman at OU, Blake Griffin was at 14-9 showing similar promise and frustration given what he could be. The question is if you think there is a 75% chance that he would blow up like Blake Griffin if he chooses to return for his sophomore year, but instead chooses to go pro where would you take him? This is still a kid who will be 18-years old at the time of the 2010 draft. Would him not setting the NCAAs on fire as a freshman be enough to drop him behind Ed Davis? Wes Johnson, who is four years older than him yet still does does not have comparable strength? Al-Farouq Aminu? Patrick Patterson- whose freshman season was also very comparable? I'm not saying he shouldn't drop, it is certainly a worthy debate. That said, it is possible that this is more about expectations being too high on an 18-year old freshman. Inside players/big men take longer to develop. Maybe comparing him to Amare and Dwight Howard was beyond stupid, but what if he is the next Blake Griffin? Would you want your favorite team to pass on him this summer?
if you have watched his defense would not be considered good. its below average, yes he can block shots but he fouls guys because he his defensive iq is low. that happens alot in college when a person isnt a very good defender they pick up fouls tryna check someone. if he hasnt been exposed already then the game saturday against duke will expose every weakness that he has. as far as age hes only a couple months younger then other freshmen and basically the same age as other freshmen from previous years. blake put his will onto games against better comp. we will see if favors gets better or worst when acc play starts and he has to go against a pro big man( euro or nba) night in and night out. right now of course he will go over other guys off of potential but not off of what he can do or skills. blake also would score off of a couple of post moves and would bang on people like it was nothing. favors dunks on fast breaks and by his self but hes not the monster blake was as a freshman. no one knows what he will be but you can get a possibly good indication by watching him play which i have done in all but 2 games
So he is a below average defender because he picks up cheap fouls? Don't agree with that at all...like you said he blocks a lot of shots but he has such long arms he alters so many shots around the rim. He is easily above average defender, above average rebounder but needs to work on his offensive game. If he comes back and does work on his offensive skills I could easily seem him averaging what Blake Griffin did as a sophomore. He is a lot better than his teammate Gani Lawal at the same stage and Gani averaged 7 and 3 as a freshman and 15 and 10 as a sophomore.
i say that because unlike most peopel here ive actually watched more games then just the ones that come onto cable. he needs work on defense and this is against cupcakes. no one is disputing if hes better then gani as a freshman. he should be since he was a better player coming in. you will see what im talking about as he starts to play good big men like on saturday against duke. ive been telling everyone this from day one of what he was gonna do. i said at most i see him geting 14 and 8 and i was wrong about that because hes done less. i said he didnt have alot of post moves and hes raw on offense. said he wont dominate like people thing and hes is not a sf. he cant handle or shoot like one. all i heard was "did you watch the mcdonalds gam" or its only been one game then two then 5 and so on and so on. i guess soon people will just say wait untill march then you will see the real favors. or how he was gonna dominate and this and that. and instea dof people watching and realizing the truth theres just more constant excuses. first it was he has 4 or 5 futre nba prospects. not those same prospects are barely good enough to even be acc guards according to some. hes not blake blake was more advance on offense and did what he did while being injuried most of his fresman year. as a freshman blake was putting it on peoples heads. you can look at youtube and see that even if you didnt watch him. i havent checked out favors on youtube bu ti havnt seen him bang on any one or be as agressive as blake was a soph in all bu tthe 2 games ive watched. maybe the 2 games i didnt see he banged on people but i doubt it. we shall see how these same numbers against all non ranked teams work once acc play starts and things get real
Not as a freshman Griffin didn't. Not even close. Griffin hung around the hoop and cleaned up inside. He was a big athlete, and was raw in the post. He didn't guard Beasley as a freshman, they had Longar Longar on him. Don't try to recraft the story here. Favors is doing nothing special, but he is playing within himself and allowing his athleticism to do the work.
As for the fact that he isn't younger than anyone. He is a full year younger than Wall, two years than Elias Harris. Most freshmen don't set the world on fire. Wall, Durant, Beasley, Rose, and even Henry are the exceptions. It is even rarer for big men because often they have so little experience playing against people as big, as strong, and (in the case of Favors) nearly as athletic. Even when they played on high level AAU games, they aren't in the same kind of structured environment with well-coached teams with scouting reports. This kid can play, but is clearly young and clearly inexperienced. Is there any doubt that he will get more experience and learn? Do you think he is just dense and unable to learn?
Where was Aldrich as a freshman? Back of the rotation. Larry Sanders? Back of the rotation. Was Patrick Patterson anything special last year? Hasheem Thabeet as a frosh? Ed Davis? Damion James? Dexter Pittman? Craig Brackins? Come on. Have some perspective.
thats because wall stayed a extra year in hs
kansas was a final four team,unc was a title team dexter pittman wasnt as good. brackin wasnt ranked as high, and thabeet wasnt even really a prospect. im not sure but i think favors was ranked higher then every last one of those guys coming out of hs. th epoint of this post isnt if hes good or not because we all agree hes talented the point is hes underachieved considered what most people on here and in the scout word thought he would do. that same expectation wasnt the same for the players you named so comparing them make no sense at all
and at some point the age thing doesnt matter aas much when you came up playing against guys who are only months or a year ahead of you. what does the age have to do with the talent if youre experiencing the same skill teaching as the other guys as a fresh/soph/jr/sr/college freshman. and then when you come into the nba?..when have you seen through tthe years 2 players who are a year apart or months apart go into the nba or college at the same time then nba at the same time and learn and someone is better or worst then the other because of a year or months difference when they have came in at the same time? vinct yarbrough came into college as a 16 year old and he was first or second team all american but it didnt seem to matter come time to get drafted or stick in the nba
Len Bias- Underachieved from what level of expectations? It isn't Favors' fault that some dumb people compared him to Amare or Dwight Howard. It set the bar ridiculously high, almost so high that it cannot be met. I don't think a freshmen big man going for 12-9 as a freshman is underachieving by any reasonable measure. I know that there is a missing decade where every prep All-American big man skipped college meaning we have no gauge for what they would have done in college, but look at the numbers for big men in their first year of college. Who are the big men who set the college basketball world on fire as freshmen? I'd really like to know the list, because I run into problems after Michael Beasley. I'm not trying to make the case that Derrick Favors is the greatest basketball player to ever step on a court, but I'm not going to hold it against him that so many scouts or "people in the know" were so oblivious to the history of big men as freshmen in college basketball. It is on them, not him.
I didn't blame B.J. Mullens for people who thought he was going to be a top five pick before he played a game at OSU. He stunk like no other, but it isn't his fault people horribly misread his abilities. Just because a guy has the size and athleticism so that scouts can project forward a player will one day make it in the NBA, it doesn't mean he won't have hurdles to clear. With big men, college is often the first time they consistently see guys who are just as big, just as strong, nearly as athletic, in some cases far more experienced (freshmen versus seniors), and having been well coached. Those things are real roadblocks for guys who are used to being able to do whatever they want on the court. The gap isn't like that for guards or wings. Every single point guard in the country has faced other really good point guards. There are really good point guards who end up at mid-majors, JUCOs, D2, or NAIA schools. There just aren't as many guys who are 6'9 -7'1 and many of those who grow to be that size are stiffs, so it is much more rare for them to get the experience. It is undoubtedly why big men take longer to develop.
I think the guards are the problem for GT as well. They have a lack of shooters/floor spacers, and if they play against a team with length (Fl. State, Dayton) or good coaching strategy to clog up the posts ( FL. State) they struggle miserably as they don't have...I watch them play all the time and I agree Paul Hewitt is a terrible coach as well. Udofia is going to be a great PG next season and into the future, but he's not quite the shot-creator for himself or others just yet to be relied upon to get Favors and Lawal enough offense to be as effective as they really should be...I have literally watched/attended every single GT game this season, and I, as well as all fans of GT see it. Hewitt needs to be let go. He should've been fired 2 seasons back....
the guards are a problem not the problem. favors does what he does because he doesnt have the offensive game to do much more. and the expectations were as low as15 and 10 to as high as beasley numbers. 12 and 8 isnt that bad but is that what a top 3 player who is getting all the minutes and look she wants should be getting?..on a good deep team yeah but gt isnt deep and not that good. its been cup cake city for gt so far ..cant wait till they start playing ranked teams like saturday and acc play. things are only gonna get harder. and seeing the game its obvious favors is raw and could use another year. its not the guards fault with all the turnovers favors makes or the lack of post moves. lets stop with the excuses for once because its been going on since day one. just accept that he is what he is right now. a good freshman putting up decent numbers and underachieving